The Combined 'We're Trading Greinke' Thread (part 3)

[MNBrew]

If we got Olt, I still think I'd rather see Hart traded than Ramirez. I think Hart would net more than Ramirez b/c he's not a rental and is relatively reasonable in the salary dept.

[paul253]

I honestly don't understand why Philly would sign Hamels right now. He's already made it clear that he'd be interested in coming back to them in the offseason and I highly doubt anyone would match that ridiculous offer they gave him. Why not just trade him now for an elite prospect then re-sign him in the offseason? Not that I care. Him re-signing now definitely helps us.

MLBTR now reporting the Rangers are willing to trade Olt for Josh Johnson, since Johnson is signed for 2013.

 

And having just traded their third basemen you have to imagine Florida will take it. I give Florida a lot of credit. They are not sitting back twiddling their thumbs, trying to decide if they want to sell, wondering who they want. They went out and did it. Assuming Johnson is traded they traded two guys whom a month ago you'd never imagined would have been traded. And assuming they get Olt they walk away with 2 elite prospects in Turner and Olt and another very good one in Brantley (or whatever his name is, that catcher they got from Detroit). Meanwhile Doug JUST decided he wanted to trade Greinke even though it should have been clear a month ago and he refuses to part with Corey Hart who is only signed for one more season but may have more trade value than Greinke.

 

It just bothers me that when even Melvin "sells" he doesn't really sell. He is going to use Greinke to acquire a guy as part of his patching together of another .500 caliber team for 2013 and we are supposed to be excited about it.

[fondybrewfan]

Well theres that and the Marlins are trading there entire team 4 months after opening a new stadium and promising the team would be competitve. They are bailing very quickly on a good team that is just having a bad year. I don't really like what they are doing.

 

If I was TEX I would be going after Johnson first since he signed for another year. But he has much more injury concern than Grienke does at this point as well. Tex may be offering up Olt but MIA might be asking for even more than that.

[SRB]

Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS

With #braves moving on from dempster, greinke will be a big focus for them

 

Delgado + Pastornicky + low-A prospect?

[slappzilla]

It makes sense for both sides so if the report is true I'd say it's damn near a done deal.

 

So, Greinke to ChiSox for who? (twitter saying ChiSox leading candidate for Greinke now, fwiw)

 

Edit: Just read this

 

JonHeyman: With #braves moving on from dempster, greinke will be a big focus for them

 

hello Delgado!

[brwrsfan]

The White Sox? That's a new one that I don't think has really been discussed. What do they have to offer? I'm asking because I don't know honestly.

 

I'm already prepping myself to be completely underwhelmed by whatever Melvin does. Other teams are landing good prospects for rentals, but I just have zero confidence we'll do the same.

[reillymcshane]

Except they couldn't.

 

A small/mid-market team cannot afford to shell out $24M a year for 6 years to one guy.

I think in the long run, this is probably the long and short of it. $100 million contracts to pitchers are extremely risky. For every Sabathia there's a couple of Mike Hamptons.

 

I think a one-two punch of Yo and Greinke for the next few years would be awesome - a key to contending. But it's a razor's edge we'd be walking on. We'd have to cut so many corners to field the team.

[zzzmanwitz]

 

You are not forced to, but it would be a good idea. If they want to get out of that contract, this might be their last chance, and Ramirez has no value to us if we're not likely contenders in '13 and '14.

 

My point is that if Olt is the best player they can get, they shouldn't avoid him because they do not have a current trade partner for Aramis. I am still up for trading Ramirez even if they don't get Olt.

[chuckiehacks]

I've read about the White Sox trying trade Floyd to get pieces to acquire Greinke. The part that scares me is that they have a good bullpen and somehow we're going to take their 7th inning guy as a big piece of this trade.

 

I'll be severely disappointed if the word "bullpen" is used in conjunction with anyone we get in a Greinke trade.

[JohnBriggs12]

If we got Olt, I still think I'd rather see Hart traded than Ramirez. I think Hart would net more than Ramirez b/c he's not a rental and is relatively reasonable in the salary dept.

 

Obviously that makes Hart easier to trade, but if you want to move salary (to make room for some guy now playing in Texas), and you can find a taker, you move Ramirez.

 

Hart has more value but he doesn't bring back a difference maker. To get a difference maker, freeing yourself from Ramirez contract regardless of what players you get back is more sensible.

[jjfanec]

If the Braves are the partner it better be more than Delgado. He is a solid prospect but if they were willing to give him up for Dempster you would think Greinke should bring more back.

[adambr2]

 

You are not forced to, but it would be a good idea. If they want to get out of that contract, this might be their last chance, and Ramirez has no value to us if we're not likely contenders in '13 and '14.

 

My point is that if Olt is the best player they can get, they should avoid him because they do not have a current trade partner for Aramis. I am still up for trading Ramirez even if they don't get Olt.

 

Well I do want to see them trade Aramis, but I agree with this. Take the best player that you can get in trade for Greinke, regardless of any other circumstances. Doesn't matter if the Reds or Cardinals are making the offer, take the best you can get.

[slappzilla]

why?

 

both rentals

 

Dumper had better numbers.

 

I think Delgado will do it, but I'd be down with Delgado and Pasternicky

[brwrsfan]

I'm very leary of taking any Braves pitching prospects. They usually keep those to themselves and seem to very rarely let anyone go that actually has success. Weren't a lot of us on here saying Delgado wasn't that great when the Cubs got him? Now everyone suddenly wants him?

[jjfanec]

why?

 

both rentals

 

Dumper had better numbers.

 

I think Delgado will do it, but I'd be down with Delgado and Pasternicky

 

Dempster might have better numbers but if you asked every GM who they would rather have I doubt many, if any, would say Dempster. When we traded for CC his numbers were not great prior to the trade but he was an elite arm. Same is true for Greinke and not true for Dempster. After their collapse last year you can be sure the Braves are focused on making a run this year and Greinke gives you a better shot. I am sure they wanted Dempster because he would come cheaper. Delgado and Pasternicky would be a good offer.

[SRB]

What other minor pieces do the Braves need? Might make sense to package Greinke with somebody to maximize return.

 

Also, that White Sox/Floyd proposal was just speculation. I don't see how the White Sox are in the running, they just don't have any good players they can afford to trade (i.e. aren't key pieces of their major league roster)

[jjfanec]

I'm very leary of taking any Braves pitching prospects. They usually keep those to themselves and seem to very rarely let anyone go that actually has success. Weren't a lot of us on here saying Delgado wasn't that great when the Cubs got him? Now everyone suddenly wants him?

 

I was one saying I didnt think he was the slam dunk others said he was. THe board as a whole seemed to be very high on Delgado. I think it would have be Delgado plus Pasternicky. Fill two needs.

[topper09er]

Considering the only reason RRR ever pulls a starter is due to pitch counts there is no way he would have pulled Greinke after only 87 pitches. That had to have been ordered from the top indicating a trade is coming. I dont think there is any way Greinke starts again for the Brewers. This was just what Melvin wanted, 7 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 0 BB, 5 K, and every start he makes for us instead of a new team hurts our position slightly.

 

Colby Lewis is out for the season and has started 16 games with a 130 ERA+ That hurts them a lot, they have the Angels on their heels, may have their last chance with Josh Hamilton and must be very hungry after being so close twice in a row. With the new playoff scenario the race between them and the Angels suddenly is very important. They say Profar is off limits but who knows, they also have a nice 3B prospect in Mike Olt so I hope we get a package involving those guys somehow

[Invader3K]

Yeah, as I said elsewhere, the track record for starting pitchers getting $100 million+ contracts is pretty bad. Sabathia is basically the only one that has worked out so far for him team.

[slappzilla]

Again, Delgado projects as a #3 or #4 with upside.

 

For a 2 month rental of Greinke, I'd say that's a fair return for the Brewers. It also covers something that the Brewers need.

[dpapo]

Have to think that the Braves would be the most likely trade partner at the moment. However, I also saw that Danny Knobler is reporting that the Red Sox had a scout at the game watching Grienke pitch.

 

"Plenty of teams have shown interest in Greinke, with the Rangers, Angels and Braves considered to be at the front of the pack, but with the White Sox and others also considered to be possibilities. Most of those teams had a scout in attendance Tuesday, and other teams (notably the Red Sox) were represented, as well.

 

The Red Sox's presence was interesting, given that Allard Baird was the scout in attendance. Baird and Greinke have a strong relationship, going back to their time together with the Royals."

 

As poorly as the Red Sox have played this year they are actually only 4 games behind in the wild card race. Any possible additional teams expressing an interest in Grienke can only help.

[slappzilla]

Colby Lewis is out for the season and has started 16 games with a 130 ERA+ That hurts them a lot, they have the Angels on their heels, may have their last chance with Josh Hamilton and must be very hungry after being so close twice in a row. With the new playoff scenario the race between them and the Angels suddenly is very important. They say Profar is off limits but who knows, they also have a nice 3B prospect in Mike Olt so I hope we get a package involving those guys somehow

Looking like a deal of Olt for Josh Johnson is all but done.

 

Down to Braves and ChiSox right now (per twitter reports)

[SRB]

As poorly as the Red Sox have played this year they are actually only 4 games behind in the wild card race. Any possible additional teams expressing an interest in Grienke can only help.

They have a very good SS prospect at A+ (Xander Bogaerts), FWIW. Not sure they would trade him for a rental given the team's position though.

[Warning Track Power]

Don't know if it is possible but I would take a deal of Delgado and Minor for Greinke and whatever other piece (K-Rod, Hart) the Braves would need to make that deal work. I understand Dempster for Delgado was the rumored deal with Chicago but I think if ATL traded for Greinke and immediately offered him a Hamels extension, the Brewers may be able to get a better deal. Just a thought.

[slappzilla]

I doubt the Braves will shed both Minor and Delgado. They'd have to bring up Tehrenhen (sp) then and they'd have to sign a SP in the offseason.