The Combined 'We're Trading Greinke' Thread (part 4)

[3and2Fastball]

we need to take a risk on a young pitcher if we're ever going to get over the pitching hump as an organization.

 

Agreed. But it needs to be the right pitcher. Teheran's struggles in both AAA & MLB definitely give one pause. Scouts say it is just because he is young and has been rushed up the ladder too quickly.

 

Its a tough call either way. I suppose the risk with going with Olt is that we could end up like the 2009-2010 Brewers: lots of offense and no playoffs.

 

I really like a lot of our young pitchers though. I think it is reasonable to suggest that Fiers could end up being better than Teheran and I like the potential of Peralta/Bradley/Nelson/Thornburg/Jungmann... Olt could be a special bat, better hitting potential than anyone we have in our system right now

[gregmag]

That should dispose of that rumor, however, I could completely see Haudricourt being confused or not understanding something about a team's possession of contracts, so...

 

It could also be that the Brewer Nation report just phrased it wrong. Maybe the Brewers really are looking at the contract, but didn't actually "request" it.

 

Who knows, right?

He could have just requested it from an intern who went and pulled it off their database. Don't think this proves anything one way or another.

I had the same thought. Haudricourt's post does prove that he's both lazy and condescending. But that's like proving the Earth is round.

[RockCoCougars]

Push comes to shove, I'd rather take a chance on Teheran than someone with in my view low upside like Delgado. Admittedly, I've seen very little of Teheran, but supposedly he has 'ace' stuff and looks to have good control of it. Word on the street is that perhaps part of the reason that he is struggling this season is that he's been adding a pitch to his repertoire (slider?). I'm not a huge fan of slightly built pitchers, but that wouldn't scare me off. My major concern would be the diminished K-rate since he moved up a level, I'd have to leave it up to the scouts to pinpoint the reasons for that.

[GB12]

It would be frustrating to get Olt only to play him in right when the reports are he's very strong defensively at third. If they get Olt, I don't see any logical solution that doesn't involve trading Ramirez.

Most sensible would be to just move A-Ram to 1B and Hart back to RF. I don't know why they didn't do that this season, other than A-Ram not wanting to move (but too bad, I don't think he's that stubborn if Olt comes into the fold).

Because Aoki in RF is better than anyone we'd have at 3rd.

[mackows2]

I haven't gone through every page of this thread so tell me if this has been mentioned before. But to sweeten any potential deal for Greinke (because the team that trades for him wont receive compensation picks), can't the Brewers through in that bonus draft pick after Round 2? I know those picks are tradeable, but is that limited to only the teams that also received those picks? I know Detroit and Florida swapped those in the Turner/Sanchez-Infante deal. If the Brewers can do it, would it make a difference in what they can get back? Thoughts?

[HOF4canrake]

http://www.brewersmix.com/2012/07/texas-greinke-meant-to-be-together.html

 

This was posted early Tuesday morning before Greinke's start and many of these reports coming out.

 

Justin Grimm and Cody Buckel are mentioned with Olt being the big piece. Some valid reasons Texas might be the one to make the biggest push.

 

Unless the Brewers get a great offer for A. Ramirez, it would probably be best to wait until to off-season to deal him for a decent return. More potential suitors and it wouldn't look as bad to the league like if they traded him just months after signing him to a deal

[splitterpfj]

I haven't gone through every page of this thread so tell me if this has been mentioned before. But to sweeten any potential deal for Greinke (because the team that trades for him wont receive compensation picks), can't the Brewers through in that bonus draft pick after Round 2? I know those picks are tradeable, but is that limited to only the teams that also received those picks? I know Detroit and Florida swapped those in the Turner/Sanchez-Infante deal. If the Brewers can do it, would it make a difference in what they can get back? Thoughts?

 

 

Yes, the Brewers could trade that pick, and yes, only the team that received the pick can trade it, the pick can only be traded one time.

[Oxy]

I'd rather give up Greinke+whoever in order to land one top 10 prospect than trade Greinke for a slew of mediocre guys. Currently, we are drawing well enough to have a $90-$110M budget each year. That may not be the case if we stink for a year or two. Right now we can afford to fill-in the roster with replacement level FAs and perhaps a couple decent starters, but we cannot afford to sign impact, all-star caliber FAs, thus we need to trade for young players/prospects who have the highest ceilings possible.

 

In my dream scenario, Greinke absolutely loves it here in Milwaukee and loves the management team (they did let him sit in for the draft and Melvin just said he was "like a son to him."). Greinke is a passionate guy who loves to win more than anything. Thus, Greinke and Melvin already have an extension in place for Zack, but instead of announcing it Zack told DM-- "hey, if we are out of it come July 15th, why don't you trade me away for some stud prospect that we'll have next year, and I'll re-sign with you in the off-season (on the already agreed upon extension)." Zack wins, as he gets to play for a winner this year AND helps his future team out by bringing in a prospect as well. Everybody is happy.

 

Yes, I love to think of silly conspiracy theories in my spare time. It still would make sense though, and would be totally awesome. All the other comments in the media are just a smoke screen so the team that trades for Zack is under the allusion that they can re-sign him.

[Brewers ST920]

For a prospect like Profar or Olt I would do the same. Both prospects could really help propel the Brewers hitting to the next level. I don't know if it's just me or what, but I feel like the Brewers have a fairly weak, and inconsistent lineup. Plugging in a legitimate bat could really change this team.

 

Since Texas has such a strong farm system we wouldn't be terribly off trading for 2-3+ of their top 30 prospects. Jungmann has had an okay year, Bradley on the other hand not so much. Some of the prospects we counted on to make ground quickly, haven't even budged in a year. A combination of Perez and Grimm could be exactly what we need to fill in our rotation for 2013-14 (more-so Perez).

[PrinceEatMeat]

If the White Sox get involved, I expect another team to be in on the deal.

But who goes to the third team? I was trying to come up with a scenario, but their only tradeable players are major pieces on their major league roster.

Don't know. Just saying.

 

Gavin Floyd most likely.

[jmeks23]

The other teams want him, but Texas just makes TOO much sense. They have the need, they have the prospects, DM has the connection. We have the belle of the ball and that's what Texas wants.

[SRB]

Gavin Floyd most likely.

But Gavin Floyd sucks. They are trying to dump his contract, so I'm not sure how the package they get for Floyd can translate into Greinke.

 

Only scenario that I could think of was them trading Viciedo or Rios plus Tyler Flowers to somebody like the Nationals, and then getting Morgan or Gomez or somebody from the Brewers.

[PrinceEatMeat]

Gavin Floyd most likely.

But Gavin Floyd sucks. They are trying to dump his contract, so I'm not sure how the package they get for Floyd can translate into Greinke.

 

Only scenario that I could think of was them trading Viciedo or Rios plus Tyler Flowers to somebody like the Nationals, and then getting Morgan or Gomez or somebody from the Brewers.

 

They would combine whatever they get with their own players or prospects. The 3rd team would just be to add pieces to the trade. I don't see them being able to make the best offer anyway though.

[NievesNoNO]

Man, I'm so impatient at this point. I just want to hear that something's close so we can write another 70 pages on how great or awful the deal is. I'm really starting to believe the Brewers will come out with a very strong deal from either Texas or L.A. It's really brewing into a perfect scenario with the division rivals possibly competing for Greinke. Talk all you want about the other possible starters, but Greinke IS the best available option for the teams that are serious about a large upgrade at starting pitcher and making a deep push in the play-offs.

[nate82]

I would rather see Greinke and Gallardo for Profar, Perez, and Grimm right now. Gallardo is looking really bad this year.

[3and2Fastball]

At this point I'm just really hoping for Mike Olt

[TURBO]

I am bitter, my thoughts negative right now on anything having to do with this team.

 

i am fullt expecting us to get some underwhelmimng package that will seem like we got screwed.

 

I really hope Melvin is playing hardball and using desperation on our trading partners part to get this done.

 

I don't want to settle I want to get some parts that will help us out in the near future.

[jjfanec]

I would rather see Greinke and Gallardo for Profar, Perez, and Grimm right now. Gallardo is looking really bad this year.

 

Really bad? His numbers are very similar to every other year. He had a terrible April and has been very, very good since then. His ERA is probably in the high 2's since April. If that is really bad your standards are pretty high. He is striking out a guy per inning still. His walks are high but everything else is good.

[Kelbysdaddy]

If you think gallardo has been "really bad this year" you are insane. 3.7 era and 122 k in 121 ip. Yeah, bad.

[TURBO]

Brewers general manager Doug Melvin indicated to Adam McCalvy of MLB.com on Thursday night that Zack Greinke is not a sure thing to be traded.

 

More accurately, Melvin was trying to downplay a USA Today story where he confirmed that Greinke would "definitely" be traded. "I just said there was that possibility," said Melvin. "I don't think there's any secret, with the Trade Deadline, that this is a possibility. Zack knows that. We know that. Other teams know that." There's always the chance that the Brewers could keep Greinke for the rest of the year and make him a qualifying offer to secure draft pick compensation, but we still fully expect he'll get dealt before Tuesday's non-waiver trade deadline. The Rangers, Angels, Braves and White Sox have reportedly expressed the most interest in the impending free agent.

 

Source: Brewers.mlb.com

[adambr2]

He's just posturing, although I don't really know why. Every GM knows what kind of position we're in, so it's not like Melvin can play the "Well, we don't HAVE to trade him" card for leverage. His leverage comes from getting multiple bidders.

 

He'll take the best offer he can get, which will be worth more than a supplementary draft choice.

 

He would have his house surrounded by an angry mob with burning torches and pitchforks if he stands pat.

[PrinceEatMeat]

I would rather see Greinke and Gallardo for Profar, Perez, and Grimm right now. Gallardo is looking really bad this year.

 

Gallardo has a 3.72 ERA, 16 quality starts, has gone 6 IP or more in all but 3 of his starts, and has 122 K in 121 IP. I think he's having a great year. Right in line with his previous seasons. The offense and bullpen have just really screwed his W-L record. Trading Gallardo would be really stupid. Obviously he isn't looking good tonight, but that's just 1 start. He's been very, very good since his slow April.

[yoyomayoma]

Anything involving Olt would be my top choice right now. And I've read that Toronto could be a 3rd team in a deal with the Brewers and the White Sox.

[jjfanec]

Anything involving Olt would be my top choice right now. And I've read that Toronto could be a 3rd team in a deal with the Brewers and the White Sox.

 

The White Sox/Blue Jays rumored deal was really underwhelming. With the guys Melvin is reportedly asking for (Machado for example) makes me think he is asking for something big. I dont remember what the White Sox and Blue Jays offered but it wasnt good

[SoCal Brew Crew Fan]

Reading the article where Doug refers to Zack as like a son...I started thinking, wouldn't it be cool if Doug had Zack in the war room helping him put the trade together. If they can use him for the draft, why not help scout some arms.