The Combined 'We're Trading Greinke' Thread (part 4)

[splitterpfj]

I think it's the Rangers deal to make, if they want Greinke, they simply have more pieces to offer.

 

I do think the Braves and the Angels have a shot at it, if Texas lets them in...the Sox, they may want him more than anyone, but there's nothing there to deal with right now.

[PrinceEatMeat]

With the Rangers and Angels being AL West rivals, it'll end up being a bidding war between them to see who can get Greinke. That is exactly what Melvin wants to happen, and it looks like that may be the case.

[NievesNoNO]

IF the Andrus rumor? is true it does kind of make sense. It's certainly a gamble for Texas but it's also a gamble for them to head to the playoffs without more pitching than what they have, even though they're still likely the best team in baseball with or without a pitching upgrade.

 

From the Brewers end, I would rather see some players with more control coming back but it's hard to not like that level of talent in return. I'd also find it hard to believe if he was offered a contract similar to Reyes, right now, that he wouldn't accept.

[zzzmanwitz]

I also enjoy how Rangers fans think they can get Greinke and Gallardo,

 

Rangers Get

Greinke

Gallardo

 

Brewers Get

Profar

Olt

Perez

Feliz

 

Done.

[SRB]

From the Brewers end, I would rather see some players with more control coming back but it's hard to not like that level of talent in return. I'd also find it hard to believe if he was offered a contract similar to Reyes, right now, that he wouldn't accept.

Two-years from free agency, could probably get him for much cheaper.

 

If they trade for Andrus (though--not going to happen), Melvin should take the Greinke money and offer it to Andrus (over a longer contract). So like $115/8-years or something.

[monty57]

Greinke, Hart/Ramirez, Axford for 2-years of a good SS who will not extend with us (Boras) and three arbitration years of a pitcher with seven career starts? No thanks, I'd take six years of Teheran or Olt straight up for Greinke and then trade Hart and/or Ramirez in separate deals and hold onto Axford, who is the only decent bullpen arm we have going into next season. Unless we are somehow able to immediately sign Andrus to a long-term extension, I really hope this rumor does not turn into reality.

 

I think I would take Feliz straight up for Hart or Greinke. Three years of a guy ready to go in the MLB rotation is very valuable. You would rather have Perez or Grimm? Not me.

 

If we're looking at SP, I'd rather have Teheran for Greinke.

 

If we're looking at Texas and guys like Hart and Axford are in the deal (and I don't see any other bullpen arm Texas would want), then I'd insist on Profar. I like Andrus, but we don't need a two-year deal... before you know it, we'll be trying to trade him away and we'll be back looking for a long-term answer at SS. In this scenario, we're trading away 3.5 years of an All Star closer (Axford), 1.5 years of an All Star RF/1B (Hart) and 0.5 years of the top starting pitcher on the market (Greinke) for 2.5 years of Andrus and 3 years of Feliz - 5.5 years of players for 5.5 years of players. No pre-arby talent coming back.

 

This is just a rumor, but again I hope it doesn't become reality. "All in, all the time" is not a way a mid-market team like the Brewers can survive. I want someone who can be a long-term answer. This would just be more short-term patching in an attempt to fool the fans into thinking we're contenders. Houses of cards eventually collapse.

[monty57]

From the Brewers end, I would rather see some players with more control coming back but it's hard to not like that level of talent in return. I'd also find it hard to believe if he was offered a contract similar to Reyes, right now, that he wouldn't accept.

 

If he would immediately accept an extension, that would make the deal much better. However, he chose Boras as an agent for a reason.

[dpapo]

Haudricourt was sent a tweet about the Andrus-Greinke rumor, his response

 

Tom‏@Haudricourt

 

@BrianLogan12 Cute story but here's truth about player contracts: Every team has copies of contracts of every player. No need to request.

[JackNicholson1974]

That should dispose of that rumor, however, I could completely see Haudricourt being confused or not understanding something about a team's possession of contracts, so...

[monty57]

Haudricourt was sent a tweet about the Andrus-Greinke rumor, his response

 

Tom‏@Haudricourt

 

@BrianLogan12 Cute story but here's truth about player contracts: Every team has copies of contracts of every player. No need to request.

 

That's weird. You'd think there'd be some confidentiality issues there. But, I hope this means the Andrus rumors are just that.

[NievesNoNO]

Haudricourt was sent a tweet about the Andrus-Greinke rumor, his response

 

Tom‏@Haudricourt

 

@BrianLogan12 Cute story but here's truth about player contracts: Every team has copies of contracts of every player. No need to request.

 

Not saying it isn't true, but that seems odd to me.

[SRB]

Haudricourt was sent a tweet about the Andrus-Greinke rumor, his response

 

Tom‏@Haudricourt

 

@BrianLogan12 Cute story but here's truth about player contracts: Every team has copies of contracts of every player. No need to request.

 

That's weird. You'd think there'd be some confidentiality issues there. But, I hope this means the Andrus rumors are just that.

MLB is structured like a weird cartel, so it would be very strange if they could withhold contract details from other teams. I didn't realize they kept them all on hand (probably easier in the digital era) but makes sense.

[Lee16]

Andrus is a great player, no doubt about that. I want no part of a trade for him however simply because he isn't something we can build around for the future. He'll be great for 2 years until we have to trade him because we can't afford him and the cycle continues.

 

Here in Arizona, the basketball team has for years tried to avoid the dreaded "rebuilding" process and instead tried to patch together a playoff team around a key piece or two. It inevitably leads to season after season of not being good enough to really compete, but not being bad enough to rebuild with high draft picks, etc. I don't want the Brewers to fall into that, and the way Melvin operates, I am afraid that's what will happen.

 

Rebuild now, it will be painful for a year or two, but hopefully the rewards will be worth it.

[Invader3K]

Danny Knobler just said on Twitter that the White Sox are very focused on Greinke right now. Of course as we all know they have a bad farm system right now.

[nate82]

AA and AAA isn't much of a difference.

 

To me AAA is a step down in talent over what is in AA. Making the jump from AA to the majors is about equally as hard as making the jump from AAA to the majors. Since the majority of AAA players are guys that organizations stash there as fodder for the major league club like veterans and players who are not really everyday MLB players the infamous AAAA type players. The talent in AAA really isn't all that great and the competition isn't all that much better in AAA than it is in AA, actually AA is probably a harder league than AAA is because of all the talent that is in AA compared to what is in AAA.

 

Greinke should be gone by Saturday the latest and I wouldn't be surprised if a trade is done either tonight or sometime tomorrow and I don't believe Andrus will be in any kind of a deal. I think in the end it will be the Braves getting Greinke with them giving up Teheran and another piece. That other piece from the Braves I would really like to see would be Joey Terdoslavich the Braves just switched him over to 3B this year and he has been handling it fairly well. He definitely has enough power potential to be an everyday 3B. I am not sure the Braves would give up both Teheran and Terdoslavich in a trade for Greinke. Terdoslavich didn't hit all that well in AAA but is tearing it up in AA. He will be 24 in September so not all that young but I see him as probably the 3rd best 3B option the Brewers could get with Cowart and Olt being the better options (I like Cowart better).

[fondybrewfan]

I don't think I want that guy; just screams Turd Sandwich to me.

 

The money is obviously on TEX and ATL at this point. The White Soz have to be in distant 3rd just because they have nothing to offer. Maybe LAA sneaks in here at some point. I think Grienke will be gone by noon tomorrow.

[miggs721]

Start with Jose Quintana and we may have something

[SRB]

Ben Badler ‏@BenBadler

RT @Vispoli Mike Olt playing in RF for the third time this year tonight.

 

Brewers have A-Ram at 3B but potential opening in RF if Hart stays at 1B. #conspiracytheories

[torts]

Ben Badler ‏@BenBadler

RT @Vispoli Mike Olt playing in RF for the third time this year tonight.

 

Brewers have A-Ram at 3B but potential opening in RF if Hart stays at 1B. #conspiracytheories

 

me likely

[Hate those Rodents]

My best realistic trade scenario...

 

Greinke and Ramirez for Segura, Richards, Cowart, and Santana.

 

Thoughts on that deal? I think it's perfect, with the only glitch being that LAA might need a fifth starter still and we don't really have the right guy to "throw in" for them. Maybe Wolf I guess. But that trade seems perfect for both teams and fair value, or am I wrong?

[paul253]

Why would we want any part of Erving Santana?

[fondybrewfan]

Man if Olt could actually play a passable RF. Then it would make sense to send off one of Gomez, Morgan, or Aoki to Texas.

 

Olt is the guy I want; I probably would be happy with others but I would really like to see Olt in a Brewers uniform. He could potentially play 3b, 1b, or RF in 2013 depending on where MIL would need him. I had no idea he could play RF though.

[torts]

Why would we want any part of Erving Santana?

 

where is Jeff Suppan and Braden Looper when you need them

[dlk9s]

That should dispose of that rumor, however, I could completely see Haudricourt being confused or not understanding something about a team's possession of contracts, so...

 

It could also be that the Brewer Nation report just phrased it wrong. Maybe the Brewers really are looking at the contract, but didn't actually "request" it.

 

Who knows, right?

[torts]

also, Santana is a FA this offseason. seriously, why would the brewers trade for someone they might not even keep???