The Combined 'We're Trading Greinke' Thread (part 4)

[KCBrewerfan34]

Guys alot of posturing going on, for the millionith time, people leak stuff to the media for specific reasons, DM is going to take the best deal he can get. if its worse than a sandwish pick I'm thinking he won't do a deal. Social media is killing people LOL

[slappzilla]

Maybe DM flipped the switch and is gonna buy?

[TooLiveBrew]

Maybe DM flipped the switch and is gonna buy?

Time to go all-in!

[jjfanec]

I think Melvin just wants to see this thread hit 100 pages

[torts]

I think Melvin just wants to see this thread hit 100 pages

 

oh he will

[torts]

the second greinke is traded this thread will explode 20 pages

[Menace II Sobriety]

I got tix for Sundays game. Gonna sport my Greinke jersey.

 

You should wear your Olt Marlins jersey.

or my 2013 Greinke Brewers jersey

 

 

You could wear that on Sunday all you would have to do is Macgyver up some duct tape and add the 20 to the (Greinke) 13 on the back of your jersey and boom you have a 2013 jersey.

[jjfanec]

the second greinke is traded this thread will explode 20 pages

 

No then it gets its own transaction thread since it isnt a rumor anymore.

[fondybrewfan]

Is there any doubt that that Brewerfan server is going to crash when a trade actually happens?

[torts]

the second greinke is traded this thread will explode 20 pages

 

No then it gets its own transaction thread since it isnt a rumor anymore.

 

way to go ruin all the fun

[SRB]

Is there any doubt that that Brewerfan server is going to crash when a trade actually happens?

When Melvin trades Greinke for Robert Andino and a RP, there will only be stunned silence, then thousands of clicks as browser windows are quietly closed and we all go off to watch the Olympics.

[fondybrewfan]

I think the swearing thread on the political forum would crash at that point then

[ListachRides]

Tweeted by Danny Knobler of CBS:

 

One thing to remember on White Sox/Greinke: They have 10 rookies in big leagues. Trade doesn't have to be for kids in minors.

 

Hey Danny, that is a horrible thing to say. I insist you take it back. I do not want Jose Quintana or any of Kenny's other assortment of small-sample statistical flukes. Please go back to talking about the Rangers.

[ninja33]

Tweeted by Danny Knobler of CBS:

 

One thing to remember on White Sox/Greinke: They have 10 rookies in big leagues. Trade doesn't have to be for kids in minors.

 

Hey Danny, that is a horrible thing to say. I insist you take it back. I do not want Jose Quintana or any of Kenny's other assortment of small-sample statistical flukes. Please go back to talking about the Rangers.

 

seriously. all those guys were in the minors when the white sox were a consensus 30 out of 30 in farm system rankings.

[trwi7]

Tweeted by Danny Knobler of CBS:

 

One thing to remember on White Sox/Greinke: They have 10 rookies in big leagues. Trade doesn't have to be for kids in minors.

 

Hey Danny, that is a horrible thing to say. I insist you take it back. I do not want Jose Quintana or any of Kenny's other assortment of small-sample statistical flukes. Please go back to talking about the Rangers.

 

What a knob. A bunch of those rookies are relievers as well.

[yoshii8]

I just looked up Jose Quintana's stats, and I don't see why you wouldn't take him?

 

He's 23 years old w/ a minor league career 2.76 ERA, 1.167 whip and more strikeouts than innings pitched. In his first taste of the big leagues he has a 2.58 ERA w/ a 1.057 whip in 76.2 innings. Is it because he's not striking out as many guys in the majors? Or becuase his average fastball velocity is only 90mph?

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=quinta001jos

[ninja33]

Tweeted by Danny Knobler of CBS:

 

One thing to remember on White Sox/Greinke: They have 10 rookies in big leagues. Trade doesn't have to be for kids in minors.

 

Hey Danny, that is a horrible thing to say. I insist you take it back. I do not want Jose Quintana or any of Kenny's other assortment of small-sample statistical flukes. Please go back to talking about the Rangers.

 

What a knob. A bunch of those rookies are relievers as well.

 

well, our bullpen stinks. perfect match!

[SRB]

I just looked up Jose Quintana's stats, and I don't see why you wouldn't take him?

 

He's 23 years old w/ a minor league career 2.76 ERA, 1.167 whip and more strikeouts than innings pitched. In his first taste of the big leagues he has a 2.58 ERA w/ a 1.057 whip in 76.2 innings. Is it because he's not striking out as many guys in the majors? Or becuase his average fastball velocity is only 90mph?

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=quinta001jos

He must have pretty poor upside though, because nobody ranked him in the top 10-15 prospects in the weakest system in the majors coming into the season. Maybe a nice throw-in, but not as a major piece of a Greinke trade.

[Outlander]

I actually think Quintana is the type of guy Melvin would like, somebody who is already major league ready. Still a longshot but Ken Williams has pulled it off in the past.

[ninja33]

I just looked up Jose Quintana's stats, and I don't see why you wouldn't take him?

 

He's 23 years old w/ a minor league career 2.76 ERA, 1.167 whip and more strikeouts than innings pitched. In his first taste of the big leagues he has a 2.58 ERA w/ a 1.057 whip in 76.2 innings. Is it because he's not striking out as many guys in the majors? Or becuase his average fastball velocity is only 90mph?

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=quinta001jos

 

To make a very quick and probably not that accurate comparison, he's basically their version of Fiers. Don't get me wrong, I really like Fiers....but they're both guys who have been succeeding without great stuff. They may very well continue to do so, but they probably top out as a #3 or #4 starter. Whereas for Greinke you probably want to get a pitcher with ace potential, or a potential all star bat. I would take Quintana back, but I don't think he's a centerpiece to a deal.

[jmeks23]

The reason teams are backing down (allegedly) is because the asking price is very high on Greinke. Why would they settle for what the White Sox alone can offer then? Without a 3rd team the CWS don't stand a chance.

[ListachRides]

I just looked up Jose Quintana's stats, and I don't see why you wouldn't take him?

 

He's 23 years old w/ a minor league career 2.76 ERA, 1.167 whip and more strikeouts than innings pitched. In his first taste of the big leagues he has a 2.58 ERA w/ a 1.057 whip in 76.2 innings. Is it because he's not striking out as many guys in the majors? Or becuase his average fastball velocity is only 90mph?

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=quinta001jos

 

Both. I could certainly be wrong about the guy, but his current ERA strikes me as a fluke. He has a K/9 of 5.17, and an xFIP of 4.04. He also wasn't highly thought of as a prospect coming into the year, getting little if any attention despite being in the worst farm system in baseball where you'd think he would standout. That sets off huge red flags for me and given his peripherals in the majors, I'm just not buying him. Granted, you could say similar things about Fiers though his current numbers and peripherals are superior to Quintana's. And as much as I like Fiers, I don't think I'd want to trade Greinke for another team's Fiers.

[DatHoser]

I think Melvin just wants to see this thread hit 100 pages

 

oh he will

 

He knows we get off on this stuff.

[Lee16]

I will confess that a small part of me wants to see what would happen on the forum if the trade deadline comes and goes and Greinke is still a Brewer.

 

A very small part of me.

 

The much larger part of me wants Olt and Grimm for Zack.

[fondybrewfan]

Atleast Fiers has shown consistently good K/9 numbers throughout his MILB and MLB career. In terms of prospects; Fiers probably would have rated much higher than Quintana coming into this year.

 

And you are right; Melvin would be crazy to accept somebody at best the equivalent of Fiers as the centerpiece for Grienke