The trade value of Prince Fielder (part 2)

[Never Outhustled]

I'd like to get Andrew Oliver. He got hit around in his brief stint, but he could be in the rotation next year.

Ya, Oliver is very intriguing. Throws hard, was rushed to the majors after just 14 minor league starts.

[TheCrew]

McGehee isn't going to get confused with an elite defender, but my only gripe with him is his range. He fields the ball well, doesn't commit many errors and makes accurate throws - especially in DP situations. I'd much rather have a 3b with less range that delivers the ball when it's hit to him - even in clutch situations.

 

UZR and all that is nice - but some people treat it as the end all/tell all to determine a players defensive worth around here a bit too much.

[ELCABALLO45]

With the White Sox being in it to win it this season.. and with Peavy down for the year. A perfect stop gap is Dave Bush.

 

 

A Fielder/Bush for Hudson/Beckham/Holmberg/Viciedo swap works.

 

 

I'd move Lawrie to 1b. His bat translates. Keep McGehee at 3rd (he already plays his position well - Gamel's future is not in Milwaukee. He can't field 3b legitimately and hasnt shown the power to think a RF transition is appropriate)

 

I'd be extending Weeks as soon as I made this deal.. and Beckham is now a super utility guy.

A couple things from this post.

 

1. There is no way we would get Hudson/Beckham/Holmberg/Viciedo for Fielder and Bush.

 

Based on BA rankings. We would be getting the White Sox number 3,7 and 8 ranked prospects. And Beckham was the number 1 ranked prospect for them 2 years ago and is 23. No way Kenny Williams would do that.

 

2. McGehee does not play his position well. He is a terrible 3rd baseman. He is a 1st baseman but does not hit well enough to stick at 1st. We should of sold high on him, but if we still can that would be great. IMO, we have seen McGehee's best days as a major league hitter.

 

3. Beckham is not a super-utility guy. He is way to talented to only be a super utility guy. At one point he was ranked a Top 20 prospect in baseball. He destroyed minor league pitching for 2 years. He struggled mightly to begin the year but has since started to find his stroke. Once he adjust he is going to be killing the ball, while playing above avg. defense wherever he plays. The kid is a stud.

 

[wibadgers23]

Is it just me, or does Fielder and Bush for Beckham and Hudson make a lot of sense for both teams? Seems like if that offer is ever on the table, both GM's should be wanting to pull the trigger.

[PrinceEatMeat]

Is it just me, or does Fielder and Bush for Beckham and Hudson make a lot of sense for both teams? Seems like if that offer is ever on the table, both GM's should be wanting to pull the trigger.

This is a deal that I would really like. Except I would want the Sox to throw in a few prospects as well.

[Oldcity]

Heyman said Fielder "doesn't seem popular with GMs." Huh? How can he say something like that without providing any evidence?

[nate82]

It looks as though the Nationals are asking for the world and the universe in return for Dunn from the White Sox link here. Apparently the Sox are willing to trade Hudson but are not interested in trading Beckham though. Anyone else in the White Sox farm system that would go well with Hudson that the Brewers could get?

[igor67]

In no particular order, but I pulled some guys of John Sickels top 20 for the Sox that look interesting to me as other guys besides Hudson in a trade.

 

10) Santos Rodriguez, LHP, Grade C+: Gotta love the strikeouts, but a long way from being ready to help. High ceiling though.

 

7) David Holmberg, LHP, Grade C+: Will the fastball get faster? If it does his stock could go up quickly.

 

4) Brent Morel, 3B, Grade B-: I think he's underrated. Only questions about power at higher levels keep him from a Grade B. Now blocked behind Mark Teahen, a long-term signing I don't understand.

 

2) Jared Mitchell, OF, Grade B: Grade A tools, refinement is a Grade C/C+ right now.

 

12) Jhonny Nunez, RHP, Grade C+: Power relief arm could help sometime soon.

[ListachRides]

I really like Morel who is supposed to have a good glove. Hudson, Morel and Rodriguez might be a realistic, albeit somewhat disappointing, return for Prince.

[jwill535]

To be honest, any return is going to be disappointing for us in regards to Prince.

[Never Outhustled]

I don't think the White Sox have the pieces to get Fielder.

 

I think Prince will end up in SF. Fielder, Bush and cash for Bumgarner, Ishikawa, Michael Main and Waldis Joaquin.

[Invader3K]

Contending teams seem to be too tight fisted with their prospects this year. I'd love to get Bumgarner in a trade back for Fielder, but I don't think SF wants to part with him at all...which is kind of silly.

[1e Corbeau]

I think Prince will end up in SF. Fielder, Bush and cash for Bumgarner, Ishikawa, Michael Main and Waldis Joaquin.

That's intriguing, though I'd prefer Neal in replacement for Ishikawa and (1 of)Main/Joaquin. So Bumgarner, Neal, Main/Joaquin. Ishikawa looks like he has a great glove and could step in right away when Prince leaves, but Hart could slide over, too, if they don't move him. Or maybe Seattle would move Branyan for cash with Smoak in the picture.

 

Too bad the Rays don't seem like a match, since they have more attractive pieces.

[Never Outhustled]

That's intriguing, though I'd prefer Neal in replacement for Ishikawa and (1 of)Main/Joaquin. So Bumgarner, Neal, Main/Joaquin. Ishikawa looks like he has a great glove and could step in right away when Prince leaves, but Hart could slide over, too, if they don't move him.

My thought was I'm skeptical that the Brewers would move Hart or Braun to 1B in-season. Ishikawa could play 1B full time the rest of the season, and if he plays well, which he might playing full time in Milwaukee, he could be spun off in the offseason, with Braun or Hart moving to 1B, and the OF slot filled be Carl Crawford or Jason Werth.

 

I don't see Neal as much different than Caleb Gindl, they're putting up the same numbers at the same level, and Gindl is a year younger. Nice player, but redundant.

 

 

Too bad the Rays don't seem like a match, since they have more attractive pieces.

I agree. Rather than worrying about their budget, the Rays should worry about how to grow their budget.

[1e Corbeau]

I don't see Neal as much different than Caleb Gindl, they're putting up the same numbers at the same level, and Gindl is a year younger. Nice player, but redundant.

Interesting comp with Gindl, which underlies why I wouldn't mind Neal! And, I think that collecting as many COFs as possible will help cover a potential Hart/Braun to 1st, as well as give us a better chance of having one of those COF bats in A-AA (Kh. Davis, Komatsu, Ke. Davis, Gindl) have enough power to be adequate at the MLB level. It seems like we're strong in CF (Cain, Schafer), but the corner spots are a little more questionable. I do think Cain might have the bat to exist in RF, eventually.

 

Getting Bumgarner would be great, but I'd prefer a bit more upside out of the secondary pieces, which is why I see Neal and Main as the best possible inclusions. And Main has potential, but a high "bust" rate, I think.

[molitor fan]

Haudricourt just posted a blog entry which indicated the White Sox, in his mind, would be an attractive target if they included Dayen Viciedo along with hudson in a Fielder deal. I have seen Viciedo a bit since I live in Charlotte, where the Sox AAA affiliate is, and Viciedo scares me. The Cuban 1st baseman is listed at 21 but looks 31, and has no patience at the plate at all, as he has just 30 walks in over a season and a half. He does have prodigious power, but then so does Katin.

[Invader3K]

Haudricourt wrote today on his blog that the Brewers had a scout at the Mariners/White Sox game where Daniel Hudson made a start last night; so maybe there is something to the Brewers-ChiSox rumors after all. He also mentions they would probably want Dayan Viciedo (3B who could move to 1B) in a deal.

[paulmolitor4]

MiLB.com lists Viciedo at 5'11" 240. I didn't realize he was that big, and at 21 he has time to grow into a "Prince-size" montster. Not sure that's a good thing. Also it's too bad he's not a LH hitter. If we trade Prince we're going to need a LH bat badly. I still continue to covet Ka'aihue of Kansas City. He has 20 HR's and a huge OBP at AAA right now. Plus he's got Butler ahead of him in the depth chart, and Hosmer coming up fast behind. So if we do trade Prince, it would be nice if we could somehow acquire the "Kila Monster".

[Invader3K]

I'd love to work a trade where we could get Ka'aihue and possibly Alex Gordon from the Royals, but that obviously wouldn't involved Prince.

[walleye]

Why the huge man crush on Hudson?I watched his 1st couple of games for the Sox's, was not that impressed. Is it because he is the best young pitcher the Sox's have? I see Hudson topping out as a number 3 type starter at best. The upside is he,s only 23 years old and in the Majors. But I think that has more to due with the Sox's lack of pitching in the minors. To me(which does not hold much watter) I don't see a good match with the White Sox's,at least not an offer that will be able to "blow Melvin away".

[paulmolitor4]

Hudson's value is not derived from the White Sox lack of young pitchers. He was the Minor League Starting Pitcher of the Year last year according MLB.com. His minor league numbers are quite similar to Gallardo's. I would definitely say he is better than a number 3 starter at best. 1 or 2 would be his ceiling.

[Hate those Rodents]

Viciedo would be ours for 5-6 years at cheap or reasonable salaries. That to me is more important than if he's older than 21. Obviously, if he were 31, that's a pretty big red flag but that likely isn't the case. But if you can get me Viciedo along with Beckham and Hudson for a package of Fielder, Counsell, and Bush, I am a happy guy.

[paulmolitor4]

Minor League #'s for Comparison

Gallardo: 2.59 ERA 1.13 WHIP 6.9 H/9 0.4 HR/9 3.2 BB/9 10.4 K/9 3.20 K/BB (396 IP)

Hudson: 2.90 ERA 1.05 WHIP 6.9 H/9 0.7 HR/9 2.5 BB/9 10.6 K/9 4.18 K/BB (310 IP)

[Invader3K]

From what I've read, Hudson projects as possibly a #2 in the majors, but at least a #3. I admit I'm no MiLB expert, though. Still seems like a good return if Viciedo and one or two other solid prospects are included.

 

I doubt we get Beckham along with Hudson, though.

[NievesNoNO]

Hudson, Viciedo, and Santos Rodriguez and I'd pull the trigger. Time to move forward, get it done Doug. Not that I like the Sox, but I could at least continue to root for Prince then.