Milwaukee Bucks Thread 2009–2010 (part 1)

[FVBrewerFan]

Yea, Badger basketball games are like that too. All the old guys can afford the good sets, and they sit on their hands. Bucks games are even worse when it comes to that. Wouldn't it be nice if a small market team like the Bucks could use a rocking, obnoxiously loud Bradley Center as an even bigger home court advantage?

[wibadgers23]

You guys don't think the Nets are more pathetic than the Knicks? Other than Harris (who can't seem to stay healthy) and Brook Lopez, that team has nobody. Anyway, I'm just glad we have a couple of young, exciting players in Jennings and Bogut.

[razzzorsharp]

I would take Harris and Lopez over Jennings and Bogut maybe.

[trwi7]

I would take Harris and Lopez over Jennings and Bogut maybe.

 

I actually wouldn't. I think Bogut is better than Lopez and I think Jennings has the chance to be the best player of all four. In the NBA, if you have two players in two groups, you're going to come out on top if you pick the group with the best player of the four.

[bbrauch2000]

Brook Lopez is the player I thought Bogut would be coming out of college. If Jennings keeps his game up to the point where this is even a discussion in 3 months, I will be a happy guy

[homer]

I would take Brook Lopez over Joe Alexander http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif

[patrickgpe]

regarding previous drafts.

 

I know the 07 was Harris's fault, but I wanted Corey Brewer over Yi.

While the 08 draft was going on (doesn't look too good right now I know) but I was hoping for Bayless over Alexander. Looking a year ahead, Lopez should have been the pick.

[colbyjack]

I admit that I'm a casual fan of the Bucks, although I do follow any game that is on TV and try to make it to one game a year. It is so exciting to have a potential superstar player like Jennings on the team, and seems to make up for years of bad picks that just didn't go the Bucks' way. I agree with homer that the attendance will come, as I'm sure I'm not the only one that intends to get to the Bradley Center to see Jennings play live. Winning is always the thing that cures attendance woes, and if the Bucks continue to win, the fans will respond in kind.

 

Since I don't follow basketball as closely as I do baseball and football, I'm curious as to what Jennings' reputation is defensively? I know the team overall is playing good defense this year, and Jennings seems to be a high energy player on both sides of the ball. The Bucks should heavily market home games vs. teams with superstar point guards (such as Chicago later this month and whenever teams like New Orleans and Utah come to town), to market the marquee point guard matchups with Jennings. That is, if they aren't already.

[BrewCityUnit]

Why would they draft Lopez when they already had Bogut?

 

Alexander was the right pick for what the team needed. It just hasn't worked out so far.

[ILuvDaBush]

Jennings defense is characterized as being a savvy thief in the lanes, but he's too small presently to have a lot of value as an "on-ball" defender. In the Pistons game, Scott Skiles was pre-occupied with Jennings giving up 50lb. to Rod Stuckey. However, as anyone who watched that can game attest, Jennings didn't back down from any contact and was a willing blue collar defender (as evidenced by his rebound numbers, as well).

 

Deron-CP3. Rose-Jennings.

[trwi7]

Why would they draft Lopez when they already had Bogut?

 

Alexander was the right pick for what the team needed. It just hasn't worked out so far.

So they get 48 minutes of quality center play a night? So if Bogut goes down with an injury they don't have to play Gadzuric and Elson for those 48 minutes?

 

Alexander was so not the right pick. He had a good 10-15 game stretch, everyone way overhyped him and he shot up the draft boards based on that. He should've been a late 1st round pick.

 

Also, how was Alexander the right pick when we just traded for Jefferson? That's a weak argument anyways since no team should draft on need.

[homer]

Lopez or Bogut could have played power forward depending on the matchup. There's no rule that says 7 foot guys have to play center.

[BrewCrewForever]

Lopez or Bogut could have played power forward depending on the matchup. There's no rule that says 7 foot guys have to play center.

Exactly.

 

Duncan-Robinson

 

Olajuwon-Sampson

[davego]

Bogut really didn't play well @ the 4 his rookie year. Remember when the Bucks picked up Jamaal Magloire?

[RyDogg66]

What is the story on this Jennings? Is he the real deal? What is his potential, what are basketball people saying about him so far? Who does compare to?

[Diskono]

Alexander was a gamble, but don't forget that the Jennings pick was a pretty big gamble too. He could have easily been Sebastian Telfair. For every Jennings, you're going to have a bunch of Alexanders...nobody is going to get it right every time. Before you criticize the Alexander pick too much, remember that its generally either that or always picking "average at best" type players.

 

By the way, how did jennings ever get this reputation that he had this horrible looking jump shot that needed to be fixed? Looks like a real smooth, natural release to me?

It looks *a lot* better now than it did when he was initially drafted. Its obvious that he's been working very hard.

[davego]

For the most part, what I have been able to gather about the NBA draft is that many of the picks are of the high-risk high-reward nature. If Jennings holds up, the Bucks hit it pretty big.

[BrewCityUnit]

If you look at the 2008 NBA draft, there is maybe 2-3 players who were picked after Alexander that I would rather have. With Anthony Randolph being #1 on that list. And I still think their is no way you draft Brook Lopez when you have Andrew Bogut. Their games would not mesh, and that is so unreasonable to compare them to Duncan and Robinson. The only time you take the best available player in my opinion is when you are drafting in the top couple of picks. Joe Alexander is what, 20 years old? Still too early to call him a bust.

 

 

 

1.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/chi_25.gif	Chicago	Derrick Rose 6-3 196 PG Memphis Fr.	31.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/min_25.gif	*Minnesota	Nikola Pekovic 6-11 243 PF Serbia 1986
2.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/mia_25.gif	Miami	Michael Beasley 6-8 239 SF K.St. Fr.	32.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/sea_25.gif	Seattle	Walter Sharpe 6-9 235 PF UAB So.
3.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/min_25.gif	Minnesota	OJ Mayo 6-4 200 SG USC Fr.	33.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/por_25.gif	*Portland	Joey Dorsey 6-7 265 PF/C Memphis Sr.
4.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/sea_25.gif	Seattle	Russell Westbrook 6-3 192 PG UCLA So.	34.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/min_25.gif	Minnesota	Mario Chalmers 6-2 181 PG Kansas Jr.
5.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/mem_25.gif	Memphis	Kevin Love 6-9 255 PF UCLA Fr.	35.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/lac_25.gif	LA Clippers	DeAndre Jordan 6-11 250 C TX A&M Fr.
6.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/nyk_25.gif	New York	Danilo Gallinari 6-9 220 SF Italy 1988	36.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/por_25.gif	*Portland	Omer Asik 7-0 220 PF/C Turkey 1986
7.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/lac_25.gif	LA Clippers	Eric Gordon 6-3 222 SG Indiana Fr.	37.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/mil_25.gif	Milwaukee	L.R. Mbah a Moute 6-7 230 SF UCLA Jr.
8.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/mil_25.gif	Milwaukee	Joe Alexander 6-8 220 SF W.Virginia Jr.	38.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/char_25.gif	Charlotte	Kyle Weaver 6-5 201 SG/PG Wash.St. Sr.
9.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/char_25.gif	Charlotte	DJ Augustin 5-11 172 PG Texas So.	39.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/chi_25.gif	Chicago	Sonny Weems 6-5 193 SG Arkansas Sr.
10.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/njn_25.gif	New Jersey	Brook Lopez 7-0 258 C Stanford So.	40.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/njn_25.gif	New Jersey	C.Douglas-Roberts 6-7 200 SG Mem. Jr.
11.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/ind_25.gif	Indiana	Jerryd Bayless 6-3 204 SG Ariz. Fr.	41.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/tor_25.gif	*Toronto	Nathan Jawai 6-10 270 PF/C Aus.1986
12.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/sac_25.gif	Sacramento	Jason Thompson 6-10 245 PF Rider Sr.	42.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/sac_25.gif	*Sacramento	Sean Singletary 6-0 180 PG Virginia Sr.
13.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/por_25.gif	Portland	Brandon Rush 6-6 210 SF Kansas Jr.	43.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/sac_25.gif	Sacramento	Patrick Ewing Jr. 6-7 224 SF G'town Sr.
14.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/gsw_25.gif	Golden St.	Anthony Randolph 6-10 197 SF LSU Fr.	44.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/uth_25.gif	*Utah	Ante Tomic 7-1 220 PF/C Croatia 1987
15.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/pho_25.gif	*Phoenix	Robin Lopez 7-0 255 C Stanford So.	45.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/sas_25.gif	*San Antonio	Goran Dragic 6-4 180 PG Slovenia 1986
16.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/phi_25.gif	Philadelphia	Marreese Speights 6-10 250 PF Fla. So.	46.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/sea_25.gif	*Seattle	Trent Plaisted 6-10 240 PF/C BYU Jr.
17.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/ind_25.gif	*Indiana	Roy Hibbert 7-2 278 C Georgetown Sr.	47.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/was_25.gif	Washington	Bill Walker 6-6 230 SG/SF K.State Fr.
18.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/was_25.gif	Washington	JaVale McGee 7-0 241 C Nevada So.	48.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/pho_25.gif	*Phoenix	Malik Hairston 6-6 205 SG Oregon Sr.
19.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/cle_25.gif	Cleveland	JJ Hickson 6-8 235 PF NC State Fr.	49.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/gsw_25.gif	Golden St.	Richard Hendrix 6-8 250 PF Alabama Jr.
20.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/char_25.gif	*Charlotte	Alexis Ajinca 7-0 216 PF/C France 1988	50.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/sea_25.gif	*Seattle	DeVon Hardin 6-11 235 PF California Sr.
21.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/njn_25.gif	*New Jersey	Ryan Anderson 6-10 235 PF Cal. So.	51.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/dal_25.gif	Dallas	Shan Foster 6-5 207 SG Vanderbilt Sr.
22.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/orl_25.gif	Orlando	Courtney Lee 6-5 200 SG W.Kentucky Sr.	52.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/mia_25.gif	*Miami	Darnell Jackson 6-8 240 PF Kansas Sr.
23.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/uth_25.gif	Utah	Kosta Koufos 7-0 252 C Ohio St. Fr.	53.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/uth_25.gif	Utah	Tadija Dragicevic 6-8 240 PF Serbia Sr.
24.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/sea_25.gif	*Seattle	Serge Ibaka 6-10 228 PF Congo 1989	54.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/hou_25.gif	Houston	Maarty Leunen 6-9 220 SF Oregon Sr.
25.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/hou_25.gif	Houston	Nicolas Batum 6-8 210 SG France 1988	55.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/lac_25.gif	*LA Clippers	Mike Taylor 6-2 166 SG NBDL 1986
26.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/sas_25.gif	San Antonio	George Hill 6-2 180 PG IUPUI Jr.	56.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/sea_25.gif	*Seattle	Sasha Kaun 6-10 247 C Kansas Sr.
27.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/por_25.gif	*Portland	Darrell Arthur 6-9 216 PF Kansas So.	57.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/sas_25.gif	San Antonio	James Gist 6-8 220 SF/PF Maryland Sr.
28.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/mem_25.gif	*Memphis	Donte Greene 6-9 221 SF Syr. Fr.	58.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/lal_25.gif	LA Lakers	Joe Crawford 6-4 210 SG Kentucky Sr.
29.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/det_25.gif	Detroit	DJ White 6-8 242 PF Indiana Sr.	59.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/det_25.gif	Detroit	Deron Washington 6-7 210 SF Va.Tech Sr.
30.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/bos_25.gif	Boston	JR Giddens 6-5 208 SG New Mexico Sr.	60.	http://www.nbadraft.net/images/smnbateams/bos_25.gif	Boston	Semih Erden 7-0 249 C Turkey 1986

[davego]

I'll disagree. In most drafts you are better served to just take the best player on your board and go from there. That said, Joe really wasn't a reach at 8. Lopez would have been the only other guy there that I liked at the time.

[trwi7]

Only two or three? I'd take Augustin, Lopez, Bayless, Thompson, Rush, Randolph, Speights, Hibbert, McGee, Hickson, Anderson, Lee, Batum, Hill, White, Chalmers, Jordan, Mbah a Moute and Douglas-Roberts over Alexander.

[Gobias Industries]

BrewCityUnit: I'm at a loss. Nearly every player picked after him in the first round has either shown more potential or already better than him. He's also 23, which is a big difference than 20. That's why Jennings has been so impressive. 20 years old and playing like an all-star.

 

The Bucks FO obviously considers him a bust. His option for next year was not picked up. The Clips did that to some Euro stiff, and the Warriors didn't bring back Patrick O'bryant after his second year. I believe those are the only other lottery picks to be cut loose after just 2 seasons.

[nodakfan17]

I am as disappointed as anyone about how Alexander's pro career has played out thus far, but he was really a boom or bust pick (just like Jennings). At the time, I wanted Brooke Lopez, but I know why the Alexander pick was made - John Hammond thought that he had the higher ceiling. I'm just thankful that on his second try, Hammond got a "boom."

[nate82]

The only two players I really wanted the Bucks to get in the 2008 draft were Gordon and Mayo both of whom I think will be good to great SG Gordon more so than Mayo though.

[davego]

I agree with you now, trwi7, but at the time it wasn't so clear cut as you make it out to be.

[jwaltz]

What is the story on this Jennings? Is he the real deal? What is his potential, what are basketball people saying about him so far? Who does compare to?

The story? So far he looks great. He's been the best rookie in the league so far. And it's not even close.

 

Real deal? Way too soon to tell but right now the signs are pointing in the 'yes' direction

 

Potential? He max ceiling is the Hall of Fame. Literally the sky is the limit. If he improves next offseason at anywhere near the rate he did this summer then there is no telling how good he could be.

 

Who does he compare to? Not sure anymore. Maybe Hall of Famer Tiny Archibald? Jennings has become a good shooter and gives good effort on defense. Plus he's proving to be very coachable, a hard worker, and a very quick learner. His game could go in a number of directions.