Milwaukee Bucks 2013–2014

[paul253]

Any chance the #2 could get us the #3 and Michael Carter-Williams?

[superfly]

I've seen quite a bit of stuff suggesting Cleveland likes Parker too. I hope they do take him, while Wiggins has questions of his own we don't need to dump any of our young guys in order to fit him into the rotation. We could also keep Ilyasova on the floor as a stretch 4 too, because if he's healthy he is good enough.

[trwi7]

Any chance the #2 could get us the #3 and Michael Carter-Williams?

 

I don't know why we would want Michael Carter-Williams. We have a better version of him in Brandon Knight.

[ELCABALLO45]

I really want Wiggins. I would be fine with Parker obviously, I just think Wiggins ceiling is so much higher. Put him at the 2 and let Greek Freak play the 3 and you could have one of the best duo's in the league in a couple years.

 

Knight

Wiggins

FreaK

Illyasova

Henson/Sanders.

[patrickgpe]

Any chance the #2 could get us the #3 and Michael Carter-Williams?

I heard the sixers would give up thadeaous young and #3, but you never know what you can believe these days.

[patrickgpe]

too many awesome things not to post:

http://www.bucksketball.com/2014/06/lasry-says-that-the-bucks-wont-draft-embiid/

 

1) bucks won't draft embiid

2) bucks to announce additional investors on July 15th

3) bucks just hired a CFO, not ready to announce who. interviewing people for team president

4) bucks will increase payroll this season

5) bucks working on logo redesign and will not return to purple

[patrickgpe]

Sources close to the Cavs told ESPN.com this weekend that the Cavs are now leaning toward taking Parker with the No. 1 pick. However, it’s far from a lock. Parker came in to work out on Friday in front of the Cavs front office and ownership. Parker wasn’t great. He was a bit heavy (he weighed in at 255 pounds), didn’t shoot the ball well and got winded at times. Furthermore, two different sources told ESPN.com that Parker seemed a bit indifferent. One source said he thought Parker “tanked” the workout.

 

Why? A source says he strongly prefers to play in Milwaukee. The Cavs appear to be aware of this. “Jabari wasn’t himself,” one source said. “It was clear we weren’t his first option.”

[DatHoser]

Sources close to the Cavs told ESPN.com this weekend that the Cavs are now leaning toward taking Parker with the No. 1 pick. However, it’s far from a lock. Parker came in to work out on Friday in front of the Cavs front office and ownership. Parker wasn’t great. He was a bit heavy (he weighed in at 255 pounds), didn’t shoot the ball well and got winded at times. Furthermore, two different sources told ESPN.com that Parker seemed a bit indifferent. One source said he thought Parker “tanked” the workout.

 

Why? A source says he strongly prefers to play in Milwaukee. The Cavs appear to be aware of this. “Jabari wasn’t himself,” one source said. “It was clear we weren’t his first option.”

 

So a guy tanks a workout, not wanting to play there. Yet they still plan on drafting him? Is Larry Harris Cleveland's GM?

[brwrsfan]

It is ironic that a guy would prefer to play in Milwaukee, if that's true. I'd still rather have Wiggins though.

[fondybrewfan]

The new owners came out and said today that Embiid will not be the guy; so unless there is a trade the pick will be however Cleveland doesn't take. If Cle takes Parker; I have to imagine PHI will be falling over themselves trying to trade with MIL. The drop off from Wiggins at #2 to an injured Embiid or very unproven Exum at #3 is pretty huge.

 

I would be happy with either Parker or Wiggins. I would probably be happy to a trade down to #3 so long as we get a good package (Such as the #10 this year or their 1st round pick in 2015).

[Warning Track Power]

I would be happy with either Parker or Wiggins. I would probably be happy to a trade down to #3 so long as we get a good package (Such as the #10 this year or their 1st round pick in 2015).

I want Wiggins or Parker period. I think Exum is a roll of the dice for this franchise that is currently seeking funding for a new arena. Have to get a Parker or Wiggins to help sell the arena. Having said that, the Bucks are supposed to be very active in looking for more lottery picks. Let's say the Sixers did offer 3 & 10 for 2 and the Kings offer of 8 for Sanders was legit. If the Bucks could end up with 3, 8 & 10 and drafted Exum, Randle and Payton to go with Giannis, is that worth losing a Parker or Wiggins?

 

(Yes, I know the Sanders deal is independent of losing Wiggins/Parker. I guess is Exum and Randle worth losing out on Wiggins/Parker?)

[fondybrewfan]

I had not heard of that Sanders deal but if the Kings are really offering the #8 for him I would do it in a heartbeat. Zaza and Henson can hold down the 5 spot.

 

If they pull that off I would definitely just stand pat at #2 and take Wiggins or Parker. Knight, Wiggins/Parker, Giannis, Henson and ? would be a pretty exciting lineup. You probably need a shooter of some sort in that lineup. Maybe start Ersan at the #4 and Henson at #5. Or draft Stauskas or Harris at #8 play them at SG and move the rest of the guys around to fill in.

[DuWayne Steurer]

I didn't take it so much that Parker 'wants to be in Milwaukee'.....just that he'd prefer to be close to home in Chicago, and playing in Milwaukee will allow him to do that. And like WTP, I want either Wiggins or Parker. I'm sure Exum is very exciting, blah blah blah. Wiggins or Parker plz.

[Warning Track Power]

I had not heard of that Sanders deal but if the Kings are really offering the #8 for him I would do it in a heartbeat. Zaza and Henson can hold down the 5 spot.

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/50741/nba-insider-chad-ford

 

Trade was speculated Knight and Sanders for #8 and McLemore...count me in on that deal. Draft Wiggins/Parker @ #2 and Marcus Smart (if he falls), Elfrid Payton or Julius Randle at #8. Have a nice double-double F combo with Parker-Randle or an elite athletic wing with Wiggins-Giannis with Payton dishing it and McLemore at the 3 point line. Either way I do the proposed deal in a second.

[brwrsfan]

I would be happy with either Parker or Wiggins. I would probably be happy to a trade down to #3 so long as we get a good package (Such as the #10 this year or their 1st round pick in 2015).

I want Wiggins or Parker period. I think Exum is a roll of the dice for this franchise that is currently seeking funding for a new arena. Have to get a Parker or Wiggins to help sell the arena. Having said that, the Bucks are supposed to be very active in looking for more lottery picks. Let's say the Sixers did offer 3 & 10 for 2 and the Kings offer of 8 for Sanders was legit. If the Bucks could end up with 3, 8 & 10 and drafted Exum, Randle and Payton to go with Giannis, is that worth losing a Parker or Wiggins?

 

(Yes, I know the Sanders deal is independent of losing Wiggins/Parker. I guess is Exum and Randle worth losing out on Wiggins/Parker?)

 

I agree with your first part 100%. New owners need fans, they need to get a new arena. You do that immediately by building some hype and drafting Wiggins or Parker. Both have been talked about for over a year as being in this draft. Both are projected to be very good and either could be a superstar. Nothing is a sure thing, but both these two seem to have very high floors. The Bucks simply can't afford to blow this.

[fondybrewfan]

Dream Scenario

 

1. Draft Wiggins at #2

2. Trade Sanders & Knight for #8 and McLemore; draft highest available among Stauskus, Harris, or Randle

3. Trade #31, Middleton and/or other spare parts for a pick in the 20-23 range take Napier, Hairston, or Payne

4. At #36 take Cleanthony Early, CJ Wilcox, or maybe Giannis' little bro

5. At #48 take whoever I don't care; probably want a PG like Johnson or Carson though

[DuWayne Steurer]

Giannis has already said he would prefer the Bucks not draft his brother, as they play the same position, and wouldn't get on the floor together. Sorry, no linky, I just remember reading it.

[Baldkin]

Giannis has already said he would prefer the Bucks not draft his brother, as they play the same position, and wouldn't get on the floor together. Sorry, no linky, I just remember reading it.

 

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2014-02-27/giannis-antetokounmpo-bucks-nba-greece-thanasis-antetokounmpo-d-league-kostas-antetokounmpo-philadelphia-sixers

 

As for teaming up with his brother in the NBA, Giannis said, smiling, “I don’t know, we both play the same position, that could be difficult being on the same team. Maybe I would rather play against him.”

 

But Thanasis had a different take: “Playing with my brother would be amazing, playing with him again because we played together in Greece. But that was not like the NBA. To be able to play with him in the best league in the world, that would be an amazing thing.”

 

Draft for the best talent. I would hate to see them trade Middleton for anyone in the 20's as I view Middleton as a solid, solid piece going forward. He's good defensively, can play the 2 or the 3, and can shoot the lights out. If he played for the Spurs or Heat he'd be known through the league.

[brwrsfan]

If we wind up making 4-5 picks, we have the luxury of taking Thanasis with one of our second rounders if we really want to. Not sure we will, but with 3 second round picks, they have some room for a pick like that if they want to make it.

 

I really don't see any issue with them playing the same position - I'm sure they could make something work if they were both good enough to see the floor.

[fondybrewfan]

I probably do underrate Middleton a bit. If they could trade #31 and someone like Ersan or Zaza instead of Middleton that would be preferred. I just would love 3 picks in the first round; make it happen.

[RockCoCougars]

I'd take anything at the bottom of the first round for Ersan. I just don't see a role for him on this team, but you'd think he'd be a good role player on a playoff team.

[HiAndTight]

Giannis has already said he would prefer the Bucks not draft his brother, as they play the same position, and wouldn't get on the floor together. Sorry, no linky, I just remember reading it.

 

 

I see the quote below, but that seems to be a pretty light hearted comment. He said playing with his brother would be a "dream come true."

 

And they play the same position? Maybe...if you find yourself having to define what a 7 footer who can play the 2 actually is. But he's so versatile and athletic, I think he can literally play all 5 spots as he develops(obviously less PG). But for argument sake.

 

We draft Wiggins.

PG

Wiggins

Thannis

Giannis

Sanders

 

That's a big long, lineup. Plus, big bro is likely to be a glue type player. A poor mans Udonis if all goes well. A bench guy who can defend and rebound.

 

I want him happy as a pig in feces so it's a no brainer when he becomes a max player in a few years and loves Milwaukee.

[HiAndTight]

I'd take anything at the bottom of the first round for Ersan. I just don't see a role for him on this team, but you'd think he'd be a good role player on a playoff team.

 

 

He absolutely SCREAMS Spurs. He could become a star on SA next year. He isn't a great passer, so he doesn't take Diaw's place, but he absolutely could thrive there and put up perhaps 13/7 while shooting 50 pct, 42-44 from 3 in 25 minutes a game.

 

#30 fits. And he is a GOOD passer. Just not as good as Boris....who is a FA. A bit pricey however for them. Miami would be a great fit...but again, if they pull off this Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Melo thing, they won't be able to send us anyone to match the salary.

 

The Clippers would also be a good fit. He'd be perfect on their second team, or to team with Jordan when Blake is out.

 

 

A lot of contenders could really use him. But the best match salary wise might be OKC. They can give up a guy like Perkins, we can send them back Ersan and one of the 2nd round picks. 36 if 48 doesn't get it done.

[HiAndTight]

This has to take Embiid off the Bucks' board. Supposedly the Cavs like Parker, but if they were able to get 3 and 10 from Philly, they'd probably be able to snag Embiid and still have another lottery pick, which is a nice haul. As for the Bucks, you have to think that it's going to be either Parker or Wiggins at this point. Personally, I'm not sure which one I prefer. Kind of reminds me off the Allen/Marbury debate way back when where Parker is safe and Wiggins is flashy. Lots of Bucks fans were upset when they settled for Ray, but that turned out pretty well. It's going to be an interesting week for sure.

 

 

These Navicular breaks are just unique. If Embiid would have broken it during the season and the Bucks and their Doctors could see how it healed, and it healed perfectly, he would be a lock at that pick for the Bucks.

 

But it's such a unique injury and sure a difficult one to heal, it's just too big of a risk right now. The Navicular bone is shaped like a peanut. You have ONE blood vessel going into it and it is surrounded by cartilage on all sides. So if you break it down the middle, it's still difficult to get enough blood flow to heal it, hence the long downtime. If you break it on the pinkie or small toe side of your wrist/hand, it's even worse as it's further away from the blood supply.

 

I've actually broken the Navicular bone in my wrist which is considered the rarest break and the MOST difficult to heal because you often break other bones first, and because usually if you break it, it feels like a sprain and you don't go in for 2-3 weeks after the fact. I happened to break two bones in my wrist, so it was something I got taken care of right away. If I had it to do over again, I would have had the surgery right off the bat because it's 3 months in a cast and then there is a 90 pct chance of it healing if it's just a straight fracture. Surgery is simple. In and out, pin in it and you're healthy and rehabbing in 4-6 weeks(I was a athlete in college at the time, so I had constant treatment, but went with the Doctors recommendation and it didn't heal correctly).

 

And then after I broke that, about 3 years later I broke the Navicular bone in my FOOT. My Doctor was the same surgeon the Bucks use. The same specialist. They said that while the wrist is the rarest bone to break and most difficult to heal(see above) that when you break the Navicular bone in your foot, they almost always recommend surgery because it's ALMOST as difficult to heal because of simple fact that it feels good enough to walk on before it's 100 percent which leads to chronic issues with your feet. It's ALSO difficult to see the break as, again, the entire bone is surrounded by cartilage and the best way is to actually open it up if the scans or x-rays don't give you a clear picture.

 

 

BUT, with all that said, ACCORDING TO the Bucks team surgeon, once the bone is FULLY HEALED, and the issue is that most of the time guys push it in order to get back and start rehabbing it before it is fully healed, then it shouldn't in any way be a debilitating injury.

 

Bill Walton had it, but they treated it differently back then.

Big Z had it and he rushed back and had to have it fixed again. Then he went on to have a decent career, but it cost him a couple of seasons to get healthy.

Yao had the same break, but, again, came back before it was fully healed. This caused chronic problems and he developed arthritis in the foot.

 

Guess who also had the same injury?

Danny Manning. He seemed alright.

Jrue Holliday.

MICHEAL JORDAN. He had the greatest career and was an iron man after the injury.

 

So personally, I would be alright with taking Embiid if we could trade down 1 or 2 spots, pick up another pick in the lottery, and then giving him the ENTIRE YEAR to heal. Not trying to get him back on the court in Jan. Not in 7 months. But keep him off of it for a full season. Have him play summer ball next year and be ready for the season.

 

There is a LITTLE too much panic about this injury.

 

 

And frankly, the Bucks need a FRANCHISE player. Which means they need to be willing to take a risk and shoot for GREATNESS. Jabari Parker isn't greatness. He's a Glenn Robinson type player with a LITTLE bit of Grant Hill's playing style. He'll be very good. But he's not the type of guy who can be the best or even IMO the second best player on a Championship team.

 

Dante Exum is. Exum is the fastest guard that has ever run the 3quarter sprint at the combine. His lengh and athletic ability is off the charts. He's Wiggins-esque, but a true PG. Had played over here, IMO, he would be a lock for the top 2-3 over Parker and in with Wiggins and Embiid coming into the process.

 

Embiid's back is a concern and there is obviously the risk that goes along with big men. But if you let the foot heal, as others have shown, he can come back with very little risk of further injury. And in a scenario in which we trade down with say Utah, he's a GREAT value pick.

 

 

One last thing. The Bucks are NOT in a position to win 40+ games next year. The BEST thing they could do is draft Wiggins, Exum or Embiid, in that order, wait for them to develop along with the Freak and tank next year as well where there is expected to be a couple big time impact players atop the draft. Not like this, but guys like Mudiay, the 6'5, uber athletic, almost Russell Westbrook like PG who is a true PG, or a guy like Myles Turner, the big 7-footer who can run the floor and defend.

 

We're more than just one more really good player away.

 

My Perfect scenario;

(2015 1st rd pick)

PG-Mudiay

SG-Wiggins

SF-Giannis

PF-Henson

C-Sanders

2nd 31st Walter Tavares 7-3 C Cape Verde

-Raw, needs a while, but has ability to be dominant shot blocker and touch to score a bit.

2nd 36th Jordan Clarkson 6'6 PG/G Colorado

-Would likely be a 1st rounder if not for torn ACL this past year. Great length to get to the rim, defend the position and a great athlete.

2nd 48th-

Thanasis Antetokounmpo-6'7 SF/PF who can guard the 2/3/4 spots. Is a defensive specialist, good rebounder, and MOST IMPORTANTLY, you want to keep Giannis happy and around family(as I've read is his dream) so that if/when he becomes a defensive savant who can go for 25/10/4 a night, he sticks around!

 

Depth

Wolters-Very good backup PG

Knight-A Gordon type combo guard who can score, but is not a TRUE PG(at least not yet).

Adrien-PF who brings toughness and outstanding rebounding and interior defense. I like him.

Middleton-SF who showed quite a bit last year. Could be part of a really nice 2nd unit.

Radujica-Big man who I thought showed enough last year to be part of the C rotation.

 

Mayo, Udoh, Zaza, and Delfino are guys who just don't fit with what the Bucks should be looking to build. Maybe you dump them when someone goes down assuming they're healthy, trade them for expiring contracts, whatever.

 

Ersan may still have some value, and if so, try and grab another 1st rounder next year for him.

 

 

 

 

Of course this is MY dream scenario. A true scoring PG, a SG with off the charts ability offensively and already a very good defender. A SF who is like the SG, except checks in at 7 FT, but has equal upside. And a 4/5 combo that is long and athletic.

This would give us one of the longest starting 5's I can remember, and a very good blend of upside and athletic ability to develop coming off the bench, and solid young players to develop.

 

Of course this assumes we can snag a top pick next year in order to get Mudiay, but the point is, I don't want to see a quick rebuild. I want to see us build a group that can contend for a title in 4-5 years. They build that type of team, they can get their stadium.

The one guy I'm unsure of is.

[fondybrewfan]

I think we might be getting ahead of ourselves with the Giannis hype here. He has a LONG ways to go before he is a cornerstone player. He needs a ton of work on his shot and needs to get much more aggressive. I like what I saw from him last year but he is probably just as likely to flame out as he is to become a max player.

 

Utah is apparently desperate to trade up to get Parker. I don't think I like the though of dropping to #5 because then you are probably getting Marcus Smart, maybe Embiid falls. Utah would have to sweeten the pot quite a bit to get Philly or Milwaukee to drop down out of the 1st tier of picks.

 

Overall it seems like there are a lot of teams willing to trade in and out of lottery picks; should be an interesting draft night