Milwaukee Bucks 2013–2014

[fondybrewfan]

I agree; no doubt about it. There would still be lots of good players available at #8; not really a true PG anywhere though unless Exum were to somehow fall. Randle, Stauskus, Harris, Dougy McBuckets, and Gordon would probably be the guys in that range.

 

McLemore, Giannis, Henson, Wiggins, Middleton and whoever they would get at #8 would be a really young and exciting core. Plus you have Wolters and Ersan as well off of the bench. Who plays PG would certainly be an issue. Wolters might have to start by default.

[paul253]

I'm not sure I like that deal. McLemore has potential but his numbers leave a lot to be desired. Less than 9 ppg. 1 apg. 2.6 rpg. His FG% and 3P% were also worse than Knights. I think in this deal Knight is the best player and Sanders is the second best player (assuming he rebounds from last year).

 

Plus, if Embiid goes #1 and you move Sanders who do you have at the 5? There aren't may options available in the draft after Embiid. And who plays PG? Is Wolters a starting caliber PG? The top PG's in the draft (Smart, Exum) will likely be gone by #8. I just feel like this deal would create more holes than it would fill.

[Baldkin]

I'm not sure I like that deal. McLemore has potential but his numbers leave a lot to be desired. Less than 9 ppg. 1 apg. 2.6 rpg. His FG% and 3P% were also worse than Knights. I think in this deal Knight is the best player and Sanders is the second best player (assuming he rebounds from last year).

 

Plus, if Embiid goes #1 and you move Sanders who do you have at the 5? There aren't may options available in the draft after Embiid. And who plays PG? Is Wolters a starting caliber PG? The top PG's in the draft (Smart, Exum) will likely be gone by #8. I just feel like this deal would create more holes than it would fill.

 

You have Henson, Miroslav and Zaza still at the 5.

 

Talent is what the Bucks need. Young talent. You worry about filling holes once you look like a top-half playoff team.

[patrickgpe]

The bucks need a shooter and McElmore is that. its a buy low proposition. There is free agency to get a point guard. I agree they need young, contract controlable talent and cannot worry about what position they play. Wolters is much more of a true pg than knight and if you have people that can shoot you don't need to worry about the point guard taking over the game like the Jennings days.

 

You could use that pick to get Lavine if you wanted to as well.

[paul253]

You have Henson, Miroslav and Zaza still at the 5.

 

I don't think Henson could hold his own at C over the course of a season. He's a slender 220lbs and would get pushed around too much I think. I know it's hardly scientific but I looked at 10 random NBA teams and I couldn't find anyone who was listed as a Center that was under 230lbs. Most go over 240lbs. As far as Zaza and Miroslav go to me those players are the epitome of "blah". It's like saying we can afford to trade away Lohse because we have Ariel Pena available to start games.

 

The bucks need a shooter and McElmore is that.

 

Yeah but his shooting % says otherwise. He was right around Brandon Jennings territory last year. Again McLemore has plenty of potential and I really, really liked him coming into the draft last year. But he is far from a sure thing and trading away two starters to get him and a draft pick is risky.

 

That being said if this move was made in addition to another one I could see it. I've read that Roy Hibbert might be available as Indiana is going to need to cap room to resign guys like Stephenson and George. If you could swing a deal to get Hibbert that would offset the loss of Sanders.

[brwrsfan]

The difference between the Bucks trading Lohse and the Bucks trading Sanders is that the Bucks are in total rebuilding mode. Sure, the C position might be weaker next year, but next year doesn't matter. They'll have 2-3 more years to draft a center and develop them.

 

I'm not saying I'd definitely do that trade, but I wouldn't NOT do it simply because we're short at C next year. They have enough guys there to figure it out and can always sign someone in the Dalembert mold for a year or two if need be as well.

[paul253]

but I wouldn't NOT do it simply because we're short at C next year. They have enough guys there to figure it out and can always sign someone in the Dalembert mold for a year or two if need be as well.

 

I just don't see what other people see in McLemore. Like I said two starters for the #8 pick and McLemore seems like a net loss to me. If it were simply Sanders for the #8 pick, that's something I'd be more willing to take.

[paul253]

Just a couple of things I've been hearing:

 

- The Bucks are pretty set on Parker because he seems more willing to play here than Wiggins (if it comes down to those two).

 

- Wiggins "camp" (whatever that means) really hope he ends up in Philly.

 

- The Bucks are really trying to rid themselves of Larry Sanders

 

And in an unrelated note, 63% of people are opposed to any sort of State money going to a new arena. I have a feeling that unless the arena is financed 100% with private money it will not get built. It's a shame that the people in the area don't recognize how badly the Bucks leaving will make Milwaukee look.

[superfly]

You have Henson, Miroslav and Zaza still at the 5.

 

I don't think Henson could hold his own at C over the course of a season. He's a slender 220lbs and would get pushed around too much I think. I know it's hardly scientific but I looked at 10 random NBA teams and I couldn't find anyone who was listed as a Center that was under 230lbs. Most go over 240lbs. As far as Zaza and Miroslav go to me those players are the epitome of "blah". It's like saying we can afford to trade away Lohse because we have Ariel Pena available to start games.

 

The bucks need a shooter and McElmore is that.

 

Yeah but his shooting % says otherwise. He was right around Brandon Jennings territory last year. Again McLemore has plenty of potential and I really, really liked him coming into the draft last year. But he is far from a sure thing and trading away two starters to get him and a draft pick is risky.

 

That being said if this move was made in addition to another one I could see it. I've read that Roy Hibbert might be available as Indiana is going to need to cap room to resign guys like Stephenson and George. If you could swing a deal to get Hibbert that would offset the loss of Sanders.

 

 

For heaven's sake, please do not utter the words "deal" and "Roy Hibbert" in this forum again. That man is the biggest lazy fraud in the NBA. 7'2 and has absolutely no clue how to play the game of basketball.

[DuWayne Steurer]

After watching the Heat get rolled by the Spurs in devastating fashion, is it still a "Superstars only" league? Granted the Spurs have Tim Duncan, but he's 7 years past his prime, and certainly not anything close to what you'd call a superstar anymore.

 

Getting a real head coach is going to be the most important thing this new ownership group does this off-season.

[patrickgpe]

 

Getting a real head coach is going to be the most important thing this new ownership group does this off-season.

 

 

There are none available, and if there were available, any would they come to Milwaukee instead of LA? Look at the hires so far this season, Quinn Synder, Steve Kerr, Derrick Fischer and Flip Saunders. I understand that they bucks don't need to get a superstar coach like what they did in George Karl, but there aren't assistant coaches that are ready to be a head coach or there wouldn't be hiring point guards with no coaching experience.

 

Not sure if Hammond will be around on opening night, but I see replacing Drew being very difficult.

[superfly]

 

Getting a real head coach is going to be the most important thing this new ownership group does this off-season.

 

 

There are none available, and if there were available, any would they come to Milwaukee instead of LA? Look at the hires so far this season, Quinn Synder, Steve Kerr, Derrick Fischer and Flip Saunders. I understand that they bucks don't need to get a superstar coach like what they did in George Karl, but there aren't assistant coaches that are ready to be a head coach or there wouldn't be hiring point guards with no coaching experience.

 

Not sure if Hammond will be around on opening night, but I see replacing Drew being very difficult.

 

There's quit a few good possibilities IMO.

 

David Fizdale (MIA top assistant) is very highly regarded as the piece that has kept all the egos in line

 

Alex Jensen (NBADL head coach) - former protege of the late Rick Majerus, and considered to be very bright

 

Stackhouse - no NBA HC experience, but he wants to get into it.

 

Joeger from Memphis would be ok too, the FO wants to dump him so the owner can have "his guy."

 

or if we really want to make a splash...we could hire David Blatt, one of the best coaches in Europe. Now that would be the definition of paving our own road.

[Warning Track Power]

Not sure if Hammond will be around on opening night, but I see replacing Drew being very difficult.

I see it as just the opposite...Hammond being here, with Drew fired. I think that even with the disaster of a season last year, a better coach could have gotten the Bucks 10-15 more wins last year. Drew is a terrible coach IMO. I would hire Lionel Hollins.

[patrickgpe]

I'm no fan of Drew, but he really had nothing to work with last season. There were tons of injuries. The one thing I will say is that the team played hard until the end.

 

Lets face it the bucks will not get a good / playoff team in 2014-15. If there was a coach that could start developing our young players better, I'm all for making the change.

[trwi7]

It wasn't about what he had compared to other teams, it's how he utilized what he had and if he put what he had in the best position to win. This is the same guy who underachieved in Atlanta.

[FVBrewerFan]

Getting a real head coach is going to be the most important thing this new ownership group does this off-season.

 

Actually, it's about #5. There's no hurry to hire a new HC for this season, it will be another bad season no matter what.

 

1) Get momentum moving forward for new arena. Line up investors, think of creative tax strategies (hotel, car rental tax, etc.), 3D model of new arena and sorrounding area to give people something to be excited about. #1 because without new arena there is no Milwaukee Bucks. I could have easily separated this into #1,2 and 3 it is so important.

 

2) Get the draft right. #2 pick, plus 3 2nd round picks- a chance to really hit a HR.

 

3) Unload unwanted salary/personalities. This means you OJ and Larry. Pachlia and Irsan aren't horrible, but would be fine with moving that salary also.

 

4) Decide on GM. If there is a new GM, you want him picking the new HC. Otherwise you go through this whole exercise again in a couple years if he doesn't like the coach he inherits.

 

5) Now you can slot in new HC, although I would put new uniforms here.

[patrickgpe]

Getting a real head coach is going to be the most important thing this new ownership group does this off-season.

 

Actually, it's about #5. There's no hurry to hire a new HC for this season, it will be another bad season no matter what.

 

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That I disagree with. You need a coach that will develop these young players. Just because this will not be a playoff team, doesn't' mean the season have to be wasted.

 

My point is that if you cannot find one that can do that, you might as well keep Drew instead of signing the wrong coach to a 4 year deal.

[fondybrewfan]

All these draft rumors are driving me nuts.

 

It is now reported that the odds on favorite for #1 is Embiid and that Philly desperately wants Wiggins. The Bucks reportedly prefer Parker to Wiggins anyways. So by current thinking it would go Embiid, Parker, and then Wiggins. I somehow doubt it ends up going that way; who knows.

 

I am not going to be surprised if both Hammond and Drew are around; nor would I be surprised if they are fired. Either way Hammond is making the pick next week. He is dealing from a position that he is not used to (top of the 1st round) so I am not sure what to expect. I really want him to get Philly to cave and offer 3 and 10 for the 2nd pick but I really doubt that happens. Give them one of our seconds and a player if they want. Take whoever is left at 3 and then pick up Gary Harris at #10. That is my ideal scenario

[patrickgpe]

I agree fondy. if Philly will do whatever it takes to get Wiggins than the bucks need to take advantage of this and get additional the 10th pick. (give philly back 31 or 36 if necessary).

 

I also read that Embiid blew Cleveland away with his workout but his medical evaluation had some red flags which concerns me that the cavs may go for Parker or Wiggins instead.

[FVBrewerFan]

The more I think about this, have a feeling Bucks take Parker- whether that's with the #2 or #3 pick. Wojo is in town now, seems like a guy who won't be any trouble off the court, etc. I have mixed feelings about this, because all the intangibles do make sense. At the same time, would like to see someone with a higher celing like Wiggins/Exum.

[fondybrewfan]

I think Parker is a fine pick. You can't really go wrong with any of the 3. Maybe Parker has the lowest ceiling of the 3 but he still has all star potential and should be able to play immediately. He probably has the highest floor too. How Drew or a new coach would fill out a lineup including both Giannis and Parker I am not sure. That same problem would exist if they took Wiggins. They are all ideally small forwards. They also have Middleton, Henson, and Ersan to fit in somewhere as well. Really forward heavy. Once of Parker or Giannis would probably have to play SG

[Jenkins5]

Just a couple of things I've been hearing:

- The Bucks are pretty set on Parker because he seems more willing to play here than Wiggins (if it comes down to those two).

 

- Wiggins "camp" (whatever that means) really hope he ends up in Philly.

 

- The Bucks are really trying to rid themselves of Larry Sanders

 

And in an unrelated note, 63% of people are opposed to any sort of State money going to a new arena. I have a feeling that unless the arena is financed 100% with private money it will not get built. It's a shame that the people in the area don't recognize how badly the Bucks leaving will make Milwaukee look.

 

1) Doesn't matter where he wants to play, if Bucks pick him, he will have to man up and make most of it for 5 years.

 

2) Philly wants to move up to make sure they get him. If i'm Bucks I start the "Bucks want Wiggins" hype.... Either they are forced to move up to 1 to grab him which will give us Emiid or Parker at 2 or we strike a trade and move back a spot and still get Parker plus extra picks. Leverage it

[monkeyman343434]

I feel like that's the issue with Parker and Wiggins, is what do you do with the combo of Giannis and whoever you pick? Parker is more of a PF than a SG, whereas Wiggins is probably more suited to potentially play a SG role.

 

I apologize in advance, this is more of a fantasy scenario than anything, but I feel like the Bucks need to add as many assets as possible for the future, and I really don't think there's all that much difference between Wiggins/Parker/Exum.

With that aside, there is so much news out there that the Sixers really want Wiggins, so I hope Hammond takes advantage of that. I really doubt they would deal the 3 & 10 for the 2, but they also have 5 second rounders. What about 3, 32, and 47 for the #2?

After that, there is also a lot of talk about the Utah Jazz wanting Parker, because of the talent level as well as his ties/draw to their Mormon community. With that in mind, it sounds like they may be willing to deal Alec Burks with the 5 to move up. How about the 3 + a second rounder (say the 47 the would hypothetically get from Philly) for the 5 + Burks?

The only way I would do both of those above, if they would have a deal in place with the Magic to move back up to 4. What about Knight + 5 for the Magic's 4 & 12 so the Bucks could still nab Exum at 4.

I just feel like they should really take advantage of these reports on how high the 6ers are on Wiggins, and potentially Utah on Parker, especially when Exum fits the overall look of the team in the future much better than Wiggins or Parker, and I believe Exum has an even higher ceiling than either of the other two guys and pick up extra assets along the way.

[FVBrewerFan]

Doesn't matter where he wants to play, if Bucks pick him, he will have to man up and make most of it for 5 years.

 

But it does matter if you expect this pick to be the cornerstone of the franchise for 10+ years.

 

They are all ideally small forwards. They also have Middleton, Henson, and Ersan to fit in somewhere as well. Really forward heavy. Once of Parker or Giannis would probably have to play SG

 

Honestly, this does not matter a bit. You need to acquire the best talent and make it work. Some of these guys won't be around in a year or two anyhow. Depending on matchups, etc. Parker/Wiggins and Giannis can be on the floor at the same time plenty. Not to mention they need to sub in and out. Lots of minutes to go around.

[patrickgpe]

bucks are not in the position to draft for need. Their need is all 5 positions as far as I am concerned. They need to get the best player in the draft 3 years from now. If they hit and need to trade a veteran, so what?. I think Parker could move down to the 4, while Wiggins cannot. I am torn between the safe pick / better fit (Parker) and the potential superstar / not as good as a fit pick in Wiggins. (not saying that Parker cannot be a superstar in this league, I just see less of a chance).

 

In the end I'd take Parker, he is more open to being here long term, he is a better fit, has a higher floor. I hope though that the bucks can con philly to give them their 10th pick to ensure that they get Wiggins.