What's bugging you? (2009)

[stoutdude04]

I'm confused. You make it sound like tipping the delivery guy is a new revelation. Hasn't this been common practice since its inception? I've never worked in food service, so I don't know.

Yes, but it had to start somewhere. I just want to know where! Like...who decided, well this guy dropped off my food, I might as well give him some extra money. Or, this person opened my can of beer, I better give him/her some extra money.

[homer]

Or, that teacher doesn't work June - August but.....

 

 

 

Just playing devil's advocate.

[wallus]

Or, that teacher doesn't work June - August but.....

 

 

 

Just playing devil's advocate.

Most teachers have to take classes during the summer and get ready for the next school year. Are you forced to take classes and pay them from your own pocket at your job? I am taking 32 credits in 20 months. Also, it's comical to think that any teacher only works 40 hours a week during the school year. (more like 60+ for me) People who have never done it have no idea. There is a reason why 50% of first year teachers never make it to their second year.

[Teatoe993]

I guarantee that known non-tippers get their food messed with. My brother used to deliver pizzas and work in restaurants. My sister too. They would tell me some crazy things they and others would do to peoples food because they knew they were non-tippers. Better watch out stoutdude.

[stoutdude04]

I guarantee that known non-tippers get their food messed with. My brother used to deliver pizzas and work in restaurants. My sister too. They would tell me some crazy things they and others would do to peoples food because they knew they were non-tippers. Better watch out stoutdude.

Perhaps you should read a page back. I tip very well. I am just not sure why I do it for pizza, beer, and such. Im more wondering why people expect to be tipped at certain jobs. Perhaps parents should tip me a couple bucks every time I teach their child the short e vowel sound.

[pitchleague]

Or, that teacher doesn't work June - August but.....

A bit off the topic of tips, etc. but I know this is a statement that bugs me. A lot.

 

I know I'm taking this out of context, and I'm not attacking you, homer, but this statement by so many people about teachers and summers "off" is a joke, joke, joke, joke, joke. There are plenty of teachers (I would guess most teachers, actually) that work over the summer. This is the only time of the year, really, that teachers can take classes to get re-certified. This is the time that of the year that many invest in teaching summer school. This is the time of the year that teachers, just coming off a completed school year, begin working on planning for the upcoming school year (my wife is big on this one.)

 

And I know tons of teachers who have to take a summer job (pizza delivery, grocery store deli, etc.) just to make ends meet, since, you know, we don't really get paid over the summer.

 

Sure, there are probably some teachers that treat the summer as their lazy bum time and do nothing during the summer. But that is quite the exception, I'm sure of it.

 

Anyway, rant over. Back to tips.

[1992casey]

Maybe we should be tipping teachers 20%.

[stoutdude04]

Maybe we should be tipping teachers 20%.

I vote YES!

[dadofandrew]

My sister teaches and rarely has to take a summer class...she travels almost every summer. I know some who never do a thing outside of school, and some who work 80 hours a week. I know stockbrokers who do the same thing. It's not a necessity, but many feel it gives them an edge.

[ewizabeff]

In the state of Wisconsin, teachers are required to take a certain number of credits every few years to stay certified. I believe this started about 5 years ago, and some people were grandfathered in. So, newer teachers are either teaching and taking class at the same time, or use break periods for class.

 

I'm not a teacher, so those of you that are - feel free to correct any errors in that statement. I just know about it from friends that are teachers.

[wallus]

In the state of Wisconsin, teachers are required to take a certain number of credits every few years to stay certified. I believe this started about 5 years ago, and some people were grandfathered in. So, newer teachers are either teaching and taking class at the same time, or use break periods for class.

 

I'm not a teacher, so those of you that are - feel free to correct any errors in that statement. I just know about it from friends that are teachers.

You are referring to PI-34 which is a pain in the butt for teachers like me who plan on doing a lot of professional development anyway.

[wallus]

My sister teaches and rarely has to take a summer class...she travels almost every summer. I know some who never do a thing outside of school, and some who work 80 hours a week. I know stockbrokers who do the same thing. It's not a necessity, but many feel it gives them an edge.

She probably is either taking classes/workshops etc. during the school year or she is not keeping up like she should be.

[dadofandrew]

She may be grandfathered also. She sure doesn't take many classes in the summer...since she got her master's about 15 years ago, I cannot recall her taking a summer class.

[davego]

The lifetime license ended in the early 1980's (I think 1981). Anyone who got DPI certification after that has to take 6 grad-level credits every 5 years. PI-34 kicks in sometime around 2003 or 04 (I should know this). I've helped some write these plans. They are a pain, but about equal to taking the 6-credit option.

 

There are opportunities to pick up credits during the year (PI-34 people might have credits as part of their plan too) in one and two level increments.

[wallus]

The lifetime license ended in the early 1980's (I think 1981). Anyone who got DPI certification after that has to take 6 grad-level credits every 5 years. PI-34 kicks in sometime around 2003 or 04 (I should know this). I've helped some write these plans. They are a pain, but about equal to taking the 6-credit option.

 

There are opportunities to pick up credits during the year (PI-34 people might have credits as part of their plan too) in one and two level increments.

Most of my PDP for PI-34 is my masters program so it's not a big deal. I am the only one doing this as far as I know in my district. It's really sad that you are almost not hire-able once you get your masters because of school budgets.

[dadofandrew]

Is grad level credits the same as regular? 6 credits every 5 years is only two 3 credit classes, you can easily knock that out in one summer, and have the other four off.

[wallus]

Is grad level credits the same as regular? 6 credits every 5 years is only two 3 credit classes, you can easily knock that out in one summer, and have the other four off.

Grad level credits are more rigorous. Most teachers do and should do more credits than that. The problem is also the cost, my masters program is going to cost me almost $20,000.

[davego]

Yep, have to be grad-level. Certainly can get 6 credits in one summer, but most of the staff that I have worked with stick to one summer class due to what Wallus mentions. My grad-program set me back a bit too. I'm @ 30-credits beyond the Masters program now...but I might be hitting the academic (and finance) wall.

[hawing]

Sorry to break the tipping/teacher-education arc, but...it's "sneak peek", NOT "sneak peak"!

[PlayerHader]

Posted by meteorologist Kristen Connolly on WAOW's website. I can't link directly to it because it's in their "personal forecast" area.

The driest day right now should be Saturday. If you haven't went out to get that pumpkin you may want to take the kids out tomorrow.

That's the kind of mistake that should never, ever make it to paper (or a computer screen)

Dadofandrew, it should say "haven't gone out." The first sentence is a bit awkward as well.

[dadofandrew]

Haven't went out sounds almost right, but gone sounds better. I never would have caught that, thanks.

[MJLiverock]

Or, that teacher doesn't work June - August but.....

A bit off the topic of tips, etc. but I know this is a statement that bugs me. A lot.

 

I know I'm taking this out of context, and I'm not attacking you, homer, but this statement by so many people about teachers and summers "off" is a joke, joke, joke, joke, joke. There are plenty of teachers (I would guess most teachers, actually) that work over the summer. This is the only time of the year, really, that teachers can take classes to get re-certified. This is the time that of the year that many invest in teaching summer school. This is the time of the year that teachers, just coming off a completed school year, begin working on planning for the upcoming school year (my wife is big on this one.)

 

And I know tons of teachers who have to take a summer job (pizza delivery, grocery store deli, etc.) just to make ends meet, since, you know, we don't really get paid over the summer.

 

Sure, there are probably some teachers that treat the summer as their lazy bum time and do nothing during the summer. But that is quite the exception, I'm sure of it.

 

Anyway, rant over. Back to tips.

I know it ends up being a point some will never agree on but your statement is bascially one that drives me crazy. Everytime a conversation about teachers comes up the point of continuing education or summer jobs comes up like it is a hardship only teachers face and everyone should feel sorry for them. Plenty of other professions have to take continuing ed classes, I know I do, only I don't get time off from work for them. Continuing education is pretty much normal for any profession but we always heat about how poor teachers have to spend time on their summers off taking a few credits. Plenty of accoutants, financial advisors, engineers, IT people, HR people, medical professionals, etc. spend time in continuing ed requirements. The WI State Journal even went so far as to write a ridiculous article this past summer about how rough it is for some teachers in the summer because they have to spend their time gardening, taking care of the lawn, painting, and planning trips in addition to taking a class. So basically the very same things everyone has to fit in around a full time job in the summer.

 

The whole summer job thing is completely absurd. No one forces them to work summers it is done out of boredome, greed, or poor planning. Yes I know it will offend someone to call it greed but seriously if you make $40,000 a year, but get paid over 9 months instead of 12 it is the same as $40,000/year over 12 months. Actually, even better, since you get the money quicker. Plenty of people get by on $40,000/year, taking a summer job is a choice to bring in more money because you either spent too much or want to spend more and have the option that others making $40,000 over the full year don't have. I also know from teacher friends that some disctircts let a teach take their pay over 12 months instead of 9 because they don't want to worry about budgeting for the summer months. When I met my wife she worked as a personal banker and took a job as a hostess in a restaurant on weekends to make extra money. No one writes letters complaining about the poor bank employees working second jobs on weekends even though she made a heck of a lot money less than a starting teacher.

 

Being a teacher isn't easy but then again not many professions are but the what I see as whining gets old.

 

As far as tips go I believe you get what you pay for, and hate it when people say tips shouldn't be expected or why don't they just pay a higher wage to waitstaff. It's simple economics that if they start paying waitstaff $10-$12/hour the price of the food will have to go up to cover the added wages. So your $6 hamburger will now cost $6.50, your $1 soda is going to be $1.25 etc. In other words your total meal cost won't be much cheaper if at all. You will lose out on the ability to incentivize the waitstaff to work above the just acceptable level. If there is no chance, or a very unlikely one for the waiter to get a tip, the chance that waiter is going to make sure your food is hot, your glass if filled, or the bar tender is going to stop talking to the cute girl to come take your order just went down a few notches. A few added dollars to the order to reflect the level of service received isn't that big of deal when the alternative is probably paying the same total, maybe a little cheaper but for questionable service, attitude, and overall quality of employee.

[greeg35]

I think a lot of times it is less whining (although that definitely exists in any profession) and is more teachers feeling they have to justify their summers off to people who give them a hard time about it. My wife is a teacher and I always tell her just to embrace it and not to justify the benefit of summers off. Teachers chose the profession and meet all the qualifications necessary to do the job. Anyone has the opportunity to enter the profession if they choose, why justify it? Yeah, teachers get summers off and it is a great benefit of the job. If you want summers off, get your certificate!

[Invader3K]

My wife works in public education (she's a counselor) at a high school. She has great benefits, makes significantly more than me, and gets about six weeks off a summer (not three months like some people seem to think). She has to take those continuing education credits, and has worked in summer in the past (she didn't this year because she didn't really have to...instead she did some projects around the house we had been putting off). Still, I would not want her job despite all the benefits and time off, because of the amount of [expletive deleted by mod] and headaches she has to put up with from bad students, students in bad situations, and their families. I could not tolerate some of the garbage she puts up with on a daily basis. People in public education often work long hours and work very hard (the idea that they're out the door by 3:30 PM every day is a joke). I don't think a few weeks off in the summer (it's not like they came up with our country's outdated schooling schedule) should be held against them.

(edit: language --1992)

[TheCrew07]

The "in times like these" commercials that are running on sports radio stations up here in the Fox Valley are driving me nuts. There are like 6 of them now, and I hear one in just about every commercial break. Is internet crime really on the rise? Suddenly there are more pedophiles lurking the internet because the economy is bad? Group muggings are a regular occurrence because of the economy in Green Bay?

 

It's just fear mongering is all, and the NCPC should be ashamed of itself.