2007 Vent Thread, Part 6

[jaybird2001wi]

tigerbrew, I would think a managerial change would essentially shake up the whole Milwaukee baseball world. But stranger things have happened in baseball when it comes to manager changes. Like Mike Hargrove resigning this season in the midst of a winning campaign and the Marlins firing Joe Girardi, the offseason after he was named NL Manager of the Year.

I just don't see this happening right now. We all don't know for sure what is on Doug Melvin's mind, he obviously may know he needs to make some changes, but then again he may still believe this team will be more competitive next season with all of the younger guys having a full season under their belts. But who really knows what will happen? We were all semi-shocked when Wendy resigned and fired Bando simultaneously and immediately inserted Ulice Payne and Doug Melvin towards the end of the season. I say semi-shocked because well, we obviously were not very good, but it was just unbelievable that it actually finally happened.

[jaybird2001wi]

Uh rah rah, I also went to the game and sat in section 223. The people who described the sun in the grandstands were not kidding. My bald head almost turned to full blown red by the end of the game, so I had to get up out of the shade a few times and walk around the stadium to keep my head cool.

Besides that, I noticed something about the team that I didn't notice when they beat the Phils with Yo starting, the offense just simply doesn't know what they are doing out there. It is like the team either fails to make hitting adjustments are they appear to not really care about the game right now.

None of the hitters with exception to Prince in his two walks ever even attempted to work the count. It seems like every 2-0 or 1-0 count, they just kept swinging away. Who is giving them the green light on these pitches? Why isn't Skaalen even trying to tell them to lay off once in awhile. I also noticed the pitch speeds, Wainwright was coasting from 70 mph to 85mph all game and yet the Crew failed to take advantage of it.

[RU Rah Rah]

None of the hitters with exception to Prince in his two walks ever even attempted to work the count. It seems like every 2-0 or 1-0 count, they just kept swinging away. Who is giving them the green light on these pitches?

I totally agree. Wainwright had a couple of really short innings (10 pitches or less?) because of the Estrada-like hacking. At one point, when Billy came up in the 6th or 7th inning, I turned to my friends and said, "I bet you five bucks he'll swing at the first pitch." Bingo -- smashed it to Rolen, who knocked it down and threw him out.

There were just a bunch of horrible at-bats, generally. It seemed as though guys were constantly swinging at balls in the dirt. Even Braun looked bad. (I don't know whether to credit Wainwright, or blame the Brewers.)

 

I'm not a Turnbow-basher, and I think he's been ok most of the season. But, man, the guy is a head case. After the ninth inning started with the K with runner advancing to first on the wild pitch, he just utterly lost his composure. He must have thrown 15 straight pitches that were too high before eventually grooving that ball to Eckstein.

 

Bush deserved better. He couldn't figure out Molina, apparently, but otherwise he was really pretty good. Too bad the team wasted a rare good start.

 

And, finally: why waste an inning from CoCo at the tail end of a blow-out?

(I know that there is nothing profound or original here. I'm mainly just mad that I wasted a nice afternoon watching that debacle.)

[Fatter than Joey]

Oh well -- I remain convinced that we can still DFA our way out of this slump.

[sheethead]

RU Rah Rah wrote:

And, finally: why waste an inning from CoCo at the tail end of a blow-out?

(I know that there is nothing profound or original here. I'm mainly just mad that I wasted a nice afternoon watching that debacle.)

Simply baffling. I wish Ned Yost would call in sick tonight.

[brewmann04]

I really can see why the fans are just going after Yost. Yes i have complained about him in the past but the Pitching staff is horrible and some of the Blame should go with Maddux. He get the credit when they pitched well but now he must take his licks.But if the Brewers continue this down fall i can see Mark and Doug make wholesale changes from manager down through the coachs. But watching this team is so frustrating and their seems to be no end in site. This team is just horrible and no coinfedence in their game right now is frustrating.

I guess it has a lot to do with their inexperience but the talent should have carried this team.

The rotation is a mess and just pitching horrible and unfortunally they do deserved to be booed by the paying Fans and their public.

[Bring Back the Stein]

Dear God, I hope I'm looking back in a month-and-a-half at how foolish my fears were, that this team had no fight, that the manager had no sense and that this death spiral had no end. I would love to be able to kick my own ass for despairing right now and wave the standings showing a four-game lead and Sheets with three wins in September in my face.

[homer]

I'd like to vent about all the venting threads. Can't we lock all the "bench Hall, bench Hart, bench the Vets" threads and move them here? The Vets thread in particular is pretty ridiculous....the others are OK since they offer viable alternatives but what are the Brewers supposed to do about bench?

And while I'm at it (and venting in the appropriate place) I think we've officially complained/whined/ragged about/on every player on the roster - some have been ripped on, cannonized, and ripped on all in the same month.

Hart - check
Hall - check
Fielder - maybe not
Hardy - check
Sheets - check
Estrada - check
Counsellino - check
Miller - check (see Vets thread)
Weeks - check
Gross - check
Jenkins - check
Mench - check
Braun - check
Rest of rotation - check (although Yo has gotten a pass - I'm sure that will change soon. I see a "Is Yo Overrated?" thread coming soon.

Bullpen - check (and that includes Shouse - he was chastised early in the year)

Ned - check

Maddux - check

Skaalen - hmmm, not sure about that one. Law of averages says yes

Sveum - I don't think anyone really knows what he does anyway

Base coaches - third base (check) first base (doubtful)

 

Did I miss anyone?

Like I've said before, let's DFA the whole squad and start over with Nashville. Apparently, they've got a great pitching coach who will make our defense better and several prospects that will hit exactly like they have at AAA.

[crewcrazy]

While the Brewers haven't exactly given the fans much to cheer about this homestand, I think the intensity of the crowd has been pretty pathetic this homestand -- even in the first inning when the Brewers start with a clean slate the crowd just seems out of it. Nothing like playing home games that feel like road games.

[PKBadger]

I seriously don't believe I've ever seen a worse play in my life than Griffey's 2-error assisted "home run" tonight. Of course, it would have helped to not have that stupid-ass shift on when a double play was possible.

[JohnBriggs12]

Wow, now some are blaming the fans for this mess?

 

It's a top down problem, not the other way around.

[tigerbrew]

Yeah, that was the worse Brewers defensive play I've seen this year. Why does Ned employ that stupid shift.

[Eddiehitsthefoulpole]

My biggest disappointment of this season has been that while we are quick to make line-up changes, we made very few changes in our pitching staff. Our starters did not give us enough innings after April. We never did anything to rectify that problem. Now our bullpen is dead. Our starters (other than Gallardo) never really earned their spot in the rotation.

 

I am anti-Ned for all of our late season collapses. It always followed the same formula. The bullpen burned out and the offense quit hitting. The latter suggests that our offense wasn't good enough, the former is due to abuse.

[adambr2]

While the Brewers haven't exactly given the fans much to cheer about this homestand, I think the intensity of the crowd has been pretty pathetic this homestand -- even in the first inning when the Brewers start with a clean slate the crowd just seems out of it. Nothing like playing home games that feel like road games.

 

 

That's how sports work. Do you really expect the fans to be riled up in a major frenzy to come see this kind of baseball and now a near .500 team?

[Hammer]

I am now finished for the week. I will not watch a game, I will not check anything but the off topic thread...this team sucks. I was at the game and left after the 7th inning because I couldn't handle it any more. We drove to Mke and rented a hotel for this garbage!! What a waste of time and money...

[adambr2]

I have to now think that the odds of Yost losing his job at the end of the season are better than 50/50.

Another late-season fade. No production, a .500ish team with the talent of a playoff team, in the weakest division in baseball.

 

Given the desire not to waste too much of this window of several years, I don't believe Yost gets another chance to turn this team around.

[adambr2]

I, among many others, thought this year would "be different".

 

I bought the hype. I oogled over the 24-10 start.

 

Somewhere, next year, maybe in 2009, I'll mention that the Brewers have a real shot to be very good. I'll mention how much talent they have at every position. I will mention how strong their starting pitching and bullpen is, and how deep their bench is.

 

Then someone will reply, "Come on, it's the BREWERS."

 

And you know what? There will be absolutely nothing I can say to that. Nothing.

[AdvantageSchneider]

Can we start an official The Brewers are toast thread yet, that will be pinned at the top of the board. I don't think the vent thread alone is going to satisfiy my rage.

 

I was also thinking about starting a "Who are you rooting for to win the NL Central Cubs-Cards thread" But I figured it would just get locked and moved to the vent thread.

 

I was holding out hope that the Brewers would only be 1-2 games back when Sheets got off the DL, but I don't think that's going to happen now. If we don't win tomorrow I don't see us beating Harang on Sunday, and then we go on the road. The season could be over before Sept. 1 if the cubs or cards get hot.

[AdvantageSchneider]

Yeah, if they don't finish above .500 I don't see how they can possibly bring him back.

[crewcrazy]

Wow, now some are blaming the fans for this mess?

 

It's a top down problem, not the other way around.

I'm not blaming the fans for the team playing like crap...I just wish the fans would show a little more interest in the game, otherwise you're just drinking beer you paid way too much for in a seat you paid way too much for and acting like a Cub fan. http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/wink.gif I don't expect the fans at the game to treat every play like it's do-or-die...I just wish home games felt more like home games like they were earlier in the season, even when the team was struggling in June. It seems like even boos lately have been lacking much feeling, but maybe that's just me.

The defense tonight definitely stunk...at least Yost's press conference should be fun. I'm wondering how long it takes Yost to punch a reporter.

[sheethead]

homer wrote:

 

Like I've said before, let's DFA the whole squad and start over with Nashville. Apparently, they've got a great pitching coach who will make our defense better and several prospects that will hit exactly like they have at AAA.

This sounds sarcastic. When a team tanks the way this team has tanked, I fully expect people to get upset. Oh by the way, the Brewers aren't in first place anymore, and it wouldn't surprise me if they don't see first again in 2007. BOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

[chowyo123]

I'm not sure what was worse tonight... Davey Nelson or the game.

[bklynbrewcrew]

Fundamentals are something that this team has no clue about. Only the Brewers can let a guy clear the bases and score himself on a simple double play ground ball. This lack of fundamentals has to fall on the coaching staff. Im sorry but Ned needs to be replaced now not at the end of the season. We are an absolute laughingstock right now. They showed the highlights on baseball tonight and the announcers were stunned by how bad we look. Its not just losing that sucks its just playing uninspired mistake filled baseball each and every night. Enough is enough. Fire Ned now and let Krembals replace him for the rest of the season. Then find a way to bring Bobby Valentine in as manager. Believe me he wont just sit by and watch mistake filled garbage like this.

[brewcrewnation]

I am sick, when they got off to that great start i was in 7th heaven and i couldn't wait for the next game. Tonite i didn't even watch the game i watched a movie and when the movie was over i got see see the very last pitch of the game i am so happy i missed it, come next year i am not going to buy into all the hype and if they get off to a good start i am not going to get excited until the day they clinch. It makes me sick to my stomach. I really don't think the Brewers will ever be in first place again, they had such a golden opportunities this season, There is no way Houston, chicago, or St Louis will be this bad next season. If the Brewers are still want us to take them serious they will fire Ned NOW! The only players i want back next year are Prince, Braun, JJ, Garirdo, Hart and Manny. I also think they should trade Ben in the off season, we could get some good young pitchers and to replace the stifts that we have now. I am also mad at Doug for trading 3 young pitching prospect, we really could have used them next season and now what do we get for then a extra draft pick, big deal Right now i don't really care about 5 years down the road. I am sorry for this long rant but i have a lot of anger with this team right now, and i needed to get it off my chest.

[brewmann04]

Well now for everyone who said don"t worry about the loss we are still in First can finally get a dose of Reality we are offically in Second and Heading South.

 

This effort by this team is pathetic and Horrible from right down to all the Players through the manager and Coachs.

 

They should be booed by all the Paying Customers in Miller park.

Now this team can"t win at Home or on the road and that really stinks.

It all most time that Mark Attanasio and Dogh Melvin start blasting this team and their Coachs.

 

You have to think you see wholesale changes with the whole staff if team does not win the division.