2007 Vent Thread, Part 7

[IslandsAC]

hmm. i haven't been on this site for quite a while, so its too bad my appearance must be made in this forum. why is it that every brewer game i attend follows the same set pattern?

 

(1) Brewers take the lead. yay.

(2) Brewers lose the lead late. shoot.

(3) Brewers bring the tying/winning run to the plate in the 8th and/or 9th. ooooh!

(4) Brewers lose.

 

what a waste of 4 hours of my life (plus transit). For the sake of superstition, I won't attend another Brewer game until (fingers crossed beyond the threshold of pain) October.

[brewcrew00]

Yost ruined Labor Day in Milwaukee. I am done following this team until he is gone. Go D'backs!

You're right, 3 out of 4 is terrible. Ned will be here next year too, so I guess see ya later.

 

Yeah, and leading the league in bonehead decisions by trying to use unconventional stats is? That would be like Lou Pinella say " We decided to pitch around the guy because we found out he's 13 - 78 after day games vs lefties when he's shaved even though in his career he's 13 for 20 against the guy.

 

BTW, did Ned Lost tell anyone why he sat Hall who was a career .361 hitter against Oswalt?

Chances are, if you (implying anybody) followed any other baseball team as much as the Brewers you would hate half of that manager's decisions too. Look at Philly just this week... Sweep the Mets, get rocked by Florida. It happens with every team, all season long and in the end we're just fans and this is simply a baseball game.

 

[SoCal Brew Crew Fan]

I've certainly got my problems with Ned...however, at some point guys have to step up and make plays. While our pitching has been suspect, our defense is a big contributor to their problems. If our D makes some plays today...it doesn't even come down to Aquino. Our D has contributed to extra hits, runs and losses. Plus, it has put an added strain on our pitchers. If our D is at least average...we're in first right now. We've got one-two every day starters who are at least average. The rest range from below average to downright dangerous.

[pebadger]

Yes, IF they make plays it doesn't come down to Aquino. But it did come down to Aquino, becaue Ned made the decision to let it come down to Aquino after teh plays were not made.

 

You can't blame Ned exclusively for teh loss. But, you can't just say the players should make plays, either. They do need to make plays, but they aren't perfect. When they're not perfect, managerial decisions need to be made. Right now, it's pretty hard to trust Yost's decision making process, even on those rare occasions when things work out well.

 

Heard someone earlier say that the Brewers just can't catch any breaks, and that the breaks have to even out sooner or later. Yes, they have caught some bad breaks lately (though today had nothing to do with bad breaks), and maybe they will even out never the last month of the season. The problem is, a lot of this season's results have not as much to do with bad breaks as they do with bad baseball. Bad baseball doesn't even out over the course of the season: it's the filter by which we mostly determine which teams have a chance to go to the playoffs and which do not. All the bad breaks aside, the Brewers have benefitted from one of teh biggest breaks of all: their location in the NL Central. That's the number one reason all the bad baseball hasn't filtered them right out of the mix.

[BrewCrewForever]

Aquino? Really? After not pitching in the major leagues since April? In that spot? Come on Ned you were joking right? Oh and you not off the hook either Estrada, learn to catch a freaking ball!

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sheethead[/b]]Yost ruined Labor Day in Milwaukee. I am done following this team until he is gone. Go D'backs!

You're right, 3 out of 4 is terrible. Ned will be here next year too, so I guess see ya later.

Yeah, and leading the league in bonehead decisions by trying to use unconventional stats is? That would be like Lou Pinella say " We decided to pitch around the guy because we found out he's 13 - 78 after day games vs lefties when he's shaved even though in his career he's 13 for 20 against the guy.

 

BTW, did Ned Lost tell anyone why he sat Hall who was a career .361 hitter against Oswalt?

Chances are, if you (implying anybody) followed any other baseball team as much as the Brewers you would hate half of that manager's decisions too. Look at Philly just this week... Sweep the Mets, get rocked by Florida. It happens with every team, all season long and in the end we're just fans and this is simply a baseball game.

 

 

I do follow plenty of MLB teams, and let me tell you, Philly is not making the playoffs (again), and part of that is because they have a horrible manager. I have no doubt Charlie Manuel will be fired at the end of the year along with Ned Yost. The reason is that neither one is a good manager. There are plenty of good managers in the league (Torre, Melvin, LaRussa, Cox, Francona, Scioscia, Gardenhire, Leyland, etc). Its funny you pointed out one of the other crappers. If either Yost or Manuel got into the post season they would need a tremendous amount of luck in order to succeed. Seeing how Ned doesn't really have that much good luck on his side, I believe he would just be downright embarrassed in the post-season.

 

And just to clarify my original post, I said Labor Day, not Labor Day Weekend. 3 out of 4 is fine, unless of course it SHOULD have been 4 out of 4. If you are pulling for Yost to be back next year... I would start praying he makes the playoffs. He needs lots of your prayers, because there are plenty of people that stopped praying for the dude. His arrogant looks and comments he makes after painful losses subsequent to another one of his boneheaded in-game decisions have prompted me to start praying for his removal.

[thablingster]

After reading the Brewers blog I had to go look up the numbers because I was still angry about the Aquino move:

 

Aquino's Stats vs. RHB:

 

Career (over 292 PA): .282 BAA, .372 OBA, .548 SLG, .920 OPS

 

Season: .250 BAA, .350 OBA, .438 SLG, .788 OPS

 

Shouse's Stats vs. RHB:

 

Career (over 548 PA): .303 BAA, .389 OBA, .451 SLG, .840 OPS

 

Season: .253 BAA, .323 OBA, .289 SLG, .612 OPS

 

Cordero's Stats vs. RHB:

 

Career (over 1096 PA): .235 BAA, .289 OBA, .351 SLG, .640 OPS

 

Season: .221 BAA, .248 OBA, .301 SLG, .549 OPS

 

Spurling's Stats vs. RHB:

Career (over 511 PA): .240 BAA, .281 OBA, .385 SLG, .666 OPS

 

Season: .293 BAA, .327 OBA, .424 SLG, .751 OPS

 

Capuano's Stats vs. RHB:

 

Career (over 2442 PA): .274 BAA, .341 OBA, .478 SLG, .819 OPS

 

Season: .293 BAA, .356 OBA, .491 SLG, .846 OPS

 

Wise's Stats vs. RHB:

 

Career (over 709 PA): .254 BAA, .321 OBA, .428 SLG, .749 OPS

 

Season: .271 BAA, .310 OBA, .419 SLG, .728 OPS

 

Obviously some of the season stats are extremely small samples (especially Aquino), but Aquino and Shouse are basically interchangeable as to what they do against RHB, except batters hit for much more power against Aquino than Shouse. Cordero is hands down better than any option we had, and he sat in the bullpen with the tying run on base. Inexcusable.

[TooLiveBrew]

awesome chart work, blingster, thanks for that.

[thablingster]

No problem. The more stat searching I do, the more useful I find them to be, lol.

 

I don't think most anyone will mind too much but I excluded Stetter because of his minimal MLB experience.

[naivin]

I think Yost blew it putting Aquino in that spot, but to be fair to Ned, Turnbow put him in an impossible situation. You stick with LH Shouse, or put a RH in there - Aquino, Spurling, Wise...None of whom can you safely assume would get the job done. Cordero would have been nice there, but I assume he was no where near warmed up or ready since the inning began with athree run lead...nor should he have been. Personally, I think Shouse has earned the right to try to get the out, but Pence is appreciably better against LH so definitley damned if you do, damned if you don't.

[brewmann04]

i am sorry but aquino should have not been used in that sisuation rather have seen Shouse pitch there.

[Loopee]

*** Yosted. I know it's the venting thread, but abbreviations for blocked words are still against site policy...

Sorry. I'll move my comment to a more appropriate medium.

 

If you see persons at the Brewer game with blue shirts and yellow writing containing the contents of my previous post...please say hi to me and my friends.

[Fatter than Joey]

Unbelievable, moronic, stupidity and half-assed play of horrifically nauseating proportings.

 

If the Brewers keep Yost in 2008 -- this should be printed on their programs.

 

Johnny Estrada -- twisting that knife every day.

[mls4]

Note to Brewers offense- please stop giving the pitching staff 3-run leads. The numbers are getting embarrassing. They pitch better when you only give them 1 or 2 runs to work with. (I don't know this but it would be a nice research project for someone.)

[brewcrew00]

Again though, look at the history of arms that Ned has to work with. I'm not saying this in excuse of Monday's game, but just think back over the past few years about the second half collapse's these "Ned" teams have had. No way are arms like the above listed going to get it done in August/September. The manager does make some poor decisions, yes, but I really think there is a greater issue at hand. Melvin's best move to date was a no brainer of clearing Overbay for Prince. (Arguably the Cordero move was better). I just can't believe everyone jumps on the "Yosted" bandwagon and has no beef with Melvin for some of the garbage that's been signed.

[DHarris34Phan]

We should be leading the NL Central right now...

[iluvlamp]

OK. My Cooper post was blocked. Guess I can't say Coop sucks and that he was a joke tonight. Didn't think the word for butt was banned. Maybe I was being sacrilege. Is that it? No one else thought what Cooper did tonight sucked? The guy HAS to be familiar with CoCo. Pure crap.

[brewcrewnation]

How the heck can Ned Youst leave dave bush in after giving up 6 runs in the first and now friffey hits a homerun, ned you do know the brewers are in a pennett race?

[brewcrewnation]

games allready over just leave him in it doesn't matter anymore

[DougJones43]

I'm getting really sick of seeing Matt Wise get treated like a worthless piece of garbage. He's been a very good pitcher (over a good sized span of time) for the Brewers, and yet they have never shown any sustained faith in him. Now, he has a couple of bad outings after a bean-ball, and now all of the sudden the organization is treating him like he's got some kind of psychological disorder. Suddenly he's a mop-up guy, and we're relying on Spurling, Aquino, and McClung to pitch in game-changing situations. It's just ridiculous. I think Wise should get off this team as soon as possible, and latch on with a team that actually realizes and appreciates the fact that he's better than the aforementioned garbage we're trotting out there now.

[clancyphile]

Why did Dave Bush have to be a baby seal when he needed to be a pitcher?

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[bklynbrewcrew]

I totally agree about the way Wise has been used. Aquino and Spurling can pitch in high leverage situations after being crap all year yet Wise doesnt get a chance to get his old job back. Its an insult to use Wise the way Yost has and this has to end. Another reason why Yost should be fired.

[DougJones43]

Aquino and Spurling can pitch in high leverage situations after being crap all year

Actually, they've pretty much been crap their whole careers. McClung too. Apparently, sucking for your entire career makes you ready for prime time during a playoff chase, but being temporarily shaken up after beaning a guy in the head is totally unforgivable and sends you straight to the end of the bench.

[bklynbrewcrew]

Just classic Yost logic. Lets use our worst pitchers with the game on the line and let the guy who has been solid for years pitch in the second inning of an 8-0 game. What exactly have guys like Aquino, Spurling, or McClung ever done in their careers to warrant any confidence whatsoever. Wise in the meantime has been a valued memeber of this bullpen for several years yet he is treated like garbage. makes no sense but then again not much Yost does makes any sense to me.

[brewman04]

Welll what a suprise another road loss.that why you can not get excited about this team winning their division.