2007 Vent Thread, Part 8

[phatmatt1215]

Did something else lead up to the "Game over" post being a final straw? Banned for just that?

As I am sure you know... I post "Game Over" a lot when I thing the Brewers can't come back. I think one of the mods got sick of it and banned me. I will see if I can find the exact number of the pst in which he/she started talking about it.

 

[jason21nl]

well, I agree with BTA, if you say "game over" without the game actually being over, you shouldn't post in the IGT anymore that day, IMO.

[phatmatt1215]

well, I agree with BTA, if you say "game over" without the game actually being over, you shouldn't post in the IGT anymore that day, IMO.

I have abided by that rule since I was told about it, but I didn't think I would/could get banned from a community for just speaking my mind on a stupid baseball game.

 

[phatmatt1215]

Did something else lead up to the "Game over" post being a final straw? Banned for just that?

 

Go to posts #102, #104, and number #111 of Thursday nights Brewers In Game Thread forum to see the details about how I can post in this thread, but not that one.

[jason21nl]

I read the whole IGT. you pushed it, pushed it and then went right over. You deserved to be banned from the IGT. B19 was right on.

[1992casey]

phatmatt, your access to the In-Game Thread forum was changed to read-only because of the "non-contributory" nature of your posts. You haven't been banned from the other forums.

 

Calling the board 'ridiculous' is borderline, however, calling members 'ridiculous' is strikeworthy condescension.

 

If you'd like to continue to post here, you still have privileges to do so, but you need to think more about what you have written before actually hitting the post button.

[phatmatt1215]

I read the whole IGT. you pushed it, pushed it and then went right over. You deserved to be banned from the IGT. B19 was right on.

OMG.... It just now occurred to me that I was only banned in that thread.. I point out to you guys exactly what I didn't want to.. I will probably have posting access to tomorrows thread until I say it again...... I APOLOGIZE TO EVERYONE WHO I MAY HAVE UPSET IN MY ORIGINAL POST IN THIS THREAD. The caps there are intentional. They are not meant to be yelling at anyone, just pointing out my absolute stupidity on the whole matter. I finally understand it now.

 

[adambr2]

Here's what irks me more than anything:

 

The division was WIDE open this season. I don't believe that Yost should get his job back if we fall short, because there is absolutely no reason for us not to be in the playoffs this season. The division was literally put on a platter for us, we were 8.5 up in late June, and we've just been treading water the entire season and barely staying in this.

 

Some people seem to think that all this is is just, "Hey, we're just a year short. We'll get 'em next year". I'm sorry, but that's just not necessarily true. This is a 6 team division, and there's 5 other teams looking to improve every year. The Cardinals won't be very good next year, and neither will the Astros. The Cubs, Reds, and Pirates will all improve.

 

The Central is not going to suck every year. Other teams will improve. If we don't have solid leadership, it's quite plausible that the entire Prince, Braun, Hardy, Hart, Weeks, and Gallardo era could pass us by without even so much as a playoff berth.

 

It's a scary thought. I just want to make sure the team does everything necessary to make sure it doesn't happen.

[logan82]

Right now I am looking at our schedule thinking, "this is gonna suck."

[watertown28]

before it was no big deal cuz the brewers were never here at this stage.....and now that they are it makes a huge difference

That has always been my biggest fear as far as Ned was concerned. The past few years, injuries and lack of talent have been the main reasons for the Brewers struggles. However, even amongst that, it was still quite clear to me (and some others) that he made far too many poor decisions. Illogical choices and bad baseball philosophy seemed to appear very often. He seemed to be putting the team in positions to lose. For example, he refused to use Cordero for 10 straight days (a 10 game losing streak, I believe), when many of the games were close. Stuff like that was a huge red flag in my eyes, and lo and behold, he hasn't changed his approach at all and that very issue has become a real problem again this year.

 

The team stunk last year anyway, but he never helped. He was given a free pass last year due to all the injuries.

 

I wanted Yost to be replaced in the worst way this last offseason. I felt like the team was getting talented enough that Ned's tactical blunders could become very meaningful. I was probably one of the most outspoken critics of Ned's, but was repeatedly told that I just had an irrational hatred for him, and was reminded incessantly that injuries were the reason for the collapse last year (even though I never blamed Ned for the really poor overall 2006 record). This year, we seem to have by far the most talented team in the division. I feel that my worst Brewer fear is coming true, that Ned will hold them back from being a playoff team. I really, really hope Ned Yost is not our manager in 2008.

Ehh things happen I guess. Talent alone can only carry a team so far in the season. I do admit ned has come around a bit...not a whole lot over the course of the season , but he still has that stubbornness about him. I recall Jenkins last year where he refused to sit him ect.... Bush at the start of the season was left out to hang himself.

I think ned is also worried about hurting feelings much more then he about winning games. Its amazing how flaws loom even larger when the team is competing. Brewers need a manager that can get it done. I also have a few issues with the batting coach too. As far as I am concend he can follow ned too...theres no reason to swing for the fences all the time.

I also think...not sure what people think about dillion... that dillion has been a good present to the lineup on a daily basis.... I am glad ned uses him now....

 

We get a new batting coach, new manager, this team is gonna be very good. I dont understand why the team does so bad on the road...it reminds me of last season when they were on the road, you just prayed that they would win at least one game in a series. The real kicker is, new faces but yet why the same problem?

 

I dont blame ned for tonight ...but last night in Houston I do. Bad bad management with pitching...turnbow with men on is like holding a live light firecracker in your hand. This is just one example.

 

OOOO and another thing before i finish my babble here.... The thing that irks me is when for the longest time he was saying " Dont panic" ... I wonder if he understands now why there was a panic.

 

Blah...just hope a split is still possible

[watertown28]

Here's what irks me more than anything:

 

The division was WIDE open this season. I don't believe that Yost should get his job back if we fall short, because there is absolutely no reason for us not to be in the playoffs this season. The division was literally put on a platter for us, we were 8.5 up in late June, and we've just been treading water the entire season and barely staying in this.

 

Some people seem to think that all this is is just, "Hey, we're just a year short. We'll get 'em next year". I'm sorry, but that's just not necessarily true. This is a 6 team division, and there's 5 other teams looking to improve every year. The Cardinals won't be very good next year, and neither will the Astros. The Cubs, Reds, and Pirates will all improve.

 

The Central is not going to suck every year. Other teams will improve. If we don't have solid leadership, it's quite plausible that the entire Prince, Braun, Hardy, Hart, Weeks, and Gallardo era could pass us by without even so much as a playoff berth.

 

It's a scary thought. I just want to make sure the team does everything necessary to make sure it doesn't happen.

I said that from the start of the season...this had to be the year. Only because teams will only improve and get better over the offseason. You can bet on next year or any year being "the year" you have to take what is givin to you and you run with it. I too will not be happy with a 500 record or a few games over. Thats just crazy thinking. I look at Ari and see the young guys there too and wonder how that team can be doing so much better then the brewers yet they were supposed to be a year or 2 behind the crew. Mind you that division is out right nasty with the Pads and Dodgers... I just can only sit and wonder "what if"

 

[TooLiveBrew]

I'm not very well-versed in exactly how the arbitration process works, but excluding arbitration-eligible players, in 2008 the Crew has only $35.988 mil. committed in salaries. The excluded players are: Estrada, Hardy, Mench, Vargas, Capuano, Wise, Spurling, Shouse, Bush, & Aquino (*barf* http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/sick.gif). If you randomly assign $5 mil to Bush & Estrada & Mench, $4.5 to Capuano & Vargas, $2 to Shouse, $1.5 to Wise, $1 to Spurling, and $3 to Hardy (no idea if he'd get more or less) - that equals $67.488 mil. in total committed. Plenty of room to sign an impactful FA, and who knows where that money would/will be best spent. It's not like we can't improve, too.

 

(I understand I have no authority on the topic, but if anything I tried to err on the side of larger arbitration increases than will occur.)

[brewmann04]

I woke up this morning and still feel sick over the Last 2 brewer games it just a mirror image of the whole season on the road

[Bring Back the Stein]

I have a friend who has been undergoing medical treatment the past three weeks out-of-state. No cable. She's a big Brewers fan. It's my sorry duty to give her the update every night before she goes to bed on what happened that day. We've agreed that we are going to stop that practice this season, for her benefit.

[Roscoe Chill]

If Bill Hall is a bench player now, then why is he still only available for CF?

 

I mean, if you're going to lift Ryan Braun for defensive reasons EVERY game, why not have Hall play 3B? Because Counsell is better? If you're going to sit JJ Hardy twice a week, why not play Hall at SS? He's not playing CF, so why not?

 

That is all.

[Oldcity]

Paul Maholm is really bad.

[phatmatt1215]

Is there a way to find out how I keep getting banned?

[RU Rah Rah]

If you're going to sit JJ Hardy twice a week, why not play Hall at SS? He's not playing CF, so why not?

Along these lines, I almost expect to see D. Miller out at first base -- you know, to give Prince a breather.

[jason21nl]

Is there a way to find out how I keep getting banned?

 

I would either message a mod or take it up in the issues forum. just my .02

[adambr2]

I'm not very well-versed in exactly how the arbitration process works, but excluding arbitration-eligible players, in 2008 the Crew has only $35.988 mil. committed in salaries. The excluded players are: Estrada, Hardy, Mench, Vargas, Capuano, Wise, Spurling, Shouse, Bush, & Aquino (*barf* http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/sick.gif). If you randomly assign $5 mil to Bush & Estrada & Mench, $4.5 to Capuano & Vargas, $2 to Shouse, $1.5 to Wise, $1 to Spurling, and $3 to Hardy (no idea if he'd get more or less) - that equals $67.488 mil. in total committed. Plenty of room to sign an impactful FA, and who knows where that money would/will be best spent. It's not like we can't improve, too.

 

(I understand I have no authority on the topic, but if anything I tried to err on the side of larger arbitration increases than will occur.)

 

Regarding arbitration figures, there is no chance Bush gets $5M, if he's even back, he'll get no more than $2M. $5M sounds close for Estrada. Also doubt Mench is back, but he's sure not back for $5M. We can say $4M to be safe, but I doubt he's back -- I wouldn't be surprised if we just take our chances with Dillon for cheaper. $3M sounds close for Hardy but I'll say $3.5 max. Cappy shouldn't make a penny over his $3.25 salary next year, but you could say $3.5 to be safe. Vargas shouldn't make more than $4M, but I'd be surprised if he's back. Shouse, Wise, and Spurling numbers look close enough. So I think even on the safe side, if we tender every player there, we should have about $5M more left, at the minimum.

 

Jenkins might be back, but not for his $9M option. If he wants to try to land a big contract before his career ends, he'll have to go elsewhere. He can probably come back here in '08 for $5M or so. I think you can safely count Mench or Vargas out next year to cover Jenkins' salary if he's back.

[pitchleague]

what, no vents?

 

Does that mean Ned pushed all the right buttons tonight (minus the starting lineup decisions, which, by the way, all worked out fine in the end)?

 

Is the world coming to an end????

[endaround]

I'm not very well-versed in exactly how the arbitration process works, but excluding arbitration-eligible players, in 2008 the Crew has only $35.988 mil. committed in salaries. The excluded players are: Estrada, Hardy, Mench, Vargas, Capuano, Wise, Spurling, Shouse, Bush, & Aquino (*barf* http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/sick.gif). If you randomly assign $5 mil to Bush & Estrada & Mench, $4.5 to Capuano & Vargas, $2 to Shouse, $1.5 to Wise, $1 to Spurling, and $3 to Hardy (no idea if he'd get more or less) - that equals $67.488 mil. in total committed. Plenty of room to sign an impactful FA, and who knows where that money would/will be best spent. It's not like we can't improve, too.

 

(I understand I have no authority on the topic, but if anything I tried to err on the side of larger arbitration increases than will occur.)

Regarding arbitration figures, there is no chance Bush gets $5M, if he's even back, he'll get no more than $2M. $5M sounds close for Estrada. Also doubt Mench is back, but he's sure not back for $5M. We can say $4M to be safe, but I doubt he's back -- I wouldn't be surprised if we just take our chances with Dillon for cheaper. $3M sounds close for Hardy but I'll say $3.5 max. Cappy shouldn't make a penny over his $3.25 salary next year, but you could say $3.5 to be safe. Vargas shouldn't make more than $4M, but I'd be surprised if he's back. Shouse, Wise, and Spurling numbers look close enough. So I think even on the safe side, if we tender every player there, we should have about $5M more left, at the minimum.

 

Jenkins might be back, but not for his $9M option. If he wants to try to land a big contract before his career ends, he'll have to go elsewhere. He can probably come back here in '08 for $5M or so. I think you can safely count Mench or Vargas out next year to cover Jenkins' salary if he's back.

Vargas is likely to get $5 million. The guy is in his 3rd arby season with double digit wins. This still doesn't account for McClugn who'll liekly get around $1 million if given a contract.

 

[bobskube]

what, no vents?

 

Does that mean Ned pushed all the right buttons tonight (minus the starting lineup decisions, which, by the way, all worked out fine in the end)?

 

Is the world coming to an end????

Most people don't vent after a big win. Don't be a Yost backer buddy because nobody is venting. Was Counsell and Hall the right choices? I still say no. If you look at the matchups that Yost wanted against Hudson, they combined went 0-5 with 3 Ks and a walk. Hardly anything worth crowing about. They ended up actually coming through against late inning relievers...not the big matchup Yost was talking about against Hudson.

 

[pitchleague]

whoa, bobskube. Thanks for jumping down my throat. Just having a little fun with a big win and there not being any vents made during the game.

[TooLiveBrew]

Thanks for the input, adambr & endaround. Like I said, I'm no expert, but just tried to ballpark some numbers. I'm glad to see my total estimate was not too far off, and (as I'd hoped), any error(s) was(were) on the side of over-estimation - so the reality is that the Crew will likely have more money with which to play than I'd forecasted. Makes me feel even better about our situation heading into 2008! I know Sheets's contract will be an issue, but it's nice to know there's some $$ in the coffers (esp. after record-setting attendance)