2007 Vent Thread, Part 8

[wallus]

Don't post as often and then I would not have to worry about it. That was a joke, I will just drop it. Go Brewers.

[Brian the Automator]

There is an ignore button (see the Interact menu), but I'm in agreement that I'm not a big fan of the ad hominem arguments.

[xisxisxis]

I hate Jim Edmonds....that is all.

[crewcrazy]

To quote Homer Simpson on the Cardinals:

 

"That team sure did suck (today). They just plain sucked! I've seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked!"

[xisxisxis]

I hate Miguel Cairo.......

[trwi7]

To quote Homer Simpson on the Cardinals:

 

"That team sure did suck (today). They just plain sucked! I've seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked!"

 

Now finish it. The finished quote makes me laugh everytime.http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/laugh.gif

[pitchleague]

I am venting on all of the second guessers and geniuses that are everywhere. Ned Yost has made mistakes but people act like they have all of the answers and are 100% right all the time.

 

I don't know that I'd necessarily consider myself a genius, but I can tell you that these numbers: .320/.350/.553/.903 are all much bigger than these numbers: .230/.299/.443/.742

 

At least I think they are. If not, my kindergarten teacher has some serious explaining to do...

I'm going to vent that my kindergarten teachers didn't teach me proper mathematical facts way back when! I mean, dougjones learned DECIMALS in kindergarten for crying out loud, while I was stuck learning how to say the numbers on the sides of blocks!

I kid, of course.

[pitchleague]

I don't believe Ned brought that up as a reason though, and that is where the problem lies. People would be way more tolerant of these things, if there was at least some evidence of logical thought behind them. Instead he gives explations like "the flow of the game" or "we like Linebrink there" or "you make a decision and there's no crying about it." Things that aren't really explanations at all. Then, sometimes he says things that are just blatantly false, like that Javier Valentin hits better when he's batting right-handed, or they wanted Jenkins for defense when they removed him the next inning.

again, dougjones, don't mean to pick on another post, but perhaps Ned does that just to throw off the opposition? I doubt it, but it's a possibility that he's using a little bit of "smarts" from that point of view.

 

But, again, I doubt that's what he's doing.

[logan82]

I am upset that Ned Yost doesn't give us a good explination on his moves. I mean come on we are paying his salary when we buy tickets. He is answerable to us, the fans.

[crewcrazy]

To quote Homer Simpson on the Cardinals:

 

"That team sure did suck (today). They just plain sucked! I've seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked!"

Now finish it. The finished quote makes me laugh everytime.http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/laugh.gif

"I gotta go...my damn wiener kids are listening."

 

[chowyo123]

I guess lefties have hit Stanton hard this year, so I will give Ned a pass on leaving Jenkins in.

I don't believe Ned brought that up as a reason though, and that is where the problem lies. People would be way more tolerant of these things, if there was at least some evidence of logical thought behind them. Instead he gives explations like "the flow of the game" or "we like Linebrink there" or "you make a decision and there's no crying about it." Things that aren't really explanations at all. Then, sometimes he says things that are just blatantly false, like that Javier Valentin hits better when he's batting right-handed, or they wanted Jenkins for defense when they removed him the next inning.

 

It' not just that he makes poor decisions - it's that there always seems to be extremely faulty logic driving the decision making.

 

 

 

razzzorsharp wrote:

 

I didnt mind the double steal call. It would have been huge to have a guy on third with only one out and at worst we still have a guy in scoring position.

There didn't seem to be any reason to believe Braun could steal 3rd though. He was out by 5 steps. Obviously, it would have been nice to have a guy at 3rd, but the chances of making an out there are quite high. In my opinion, the risk was not worth the potential reward, and it was an idea that was almost certain to fail.

I just wanted to point out a quote from yost: "He thought he had the green light," Yost said. "He got no jump and it was the wrong time, but it was good that he was aggressive. He's showing a little larceny."

In other words, it was Braun's decision to steal, not Yost's. So I guess the only questionable call on Yost's end from the other night was leaving Jenkins in. Link

 

[jason21nl]

In other words, it was Braun's decision to steal, not Yost's. So I guess the only questionable call on Yost's end from the other night was leaving Jenkin

 

 

Well I'm calling bull crap on Yost. If it was a straight Braun steal, there is no way Hart is going at the same exact time.

[DougJones43]

In other words, it was Braun's decision to steal, not Yost's. So I guess the only questionable call on Yost's end from the other night was leaving Jenkins in.

 

Did Braun, a rookie, give himself the greenlight to steal? Whose in charge of this team anyway?

 

And, like jason21nl pointed out, Hart went at the exact same time. It sure seemed like something was in the works and failed, but I digress...

[chowyo123]

In other words, it was Braun's decision to steal, not Yost's. So I guess the only questionable call on Yost's end from the other night was leaving Jenkins in.

 

Did Braun, a rookie, give himself the greenlight to steal? Whose in charge of this team anyway?

 

And, like jason21nl pointed out, Hart went at the exact same time. It sure seemed like something was in the works and failed, but I digress...

I'm not sure what Yost would gain from blaming one of his rookie players. I'm not trying to defend Yost, but it is a possibility that Braun did go on his own, and I think Hart is a smart enough baserunner to watch Braun in front of him take off.

 

[DougJones43]

I'm not sure what Yost would gain from blaming one of his rookie players. I'm not trying to defend Yost, but it is a possibility that Braun did go on his own, and I think Hart is a smart enough baserunner to watch Braun in front of him take off.

That's certainly possible. But like I said, Yost is still ultimately responsible for giving Braun the greenlight in that situation, is he not? Pinning this one on Braun is weak. The manager is supposed to be the one in charge and making important decisions, not leaving it up to the rookie 3rd baseman.

[jason21nl]

In other words, it was Braun's decision to steal, not Yost's. So I guess the only questionable call on Yost's end from the other night was leaving Jenkins in.

 

Did Braun, a rookie, give himself the greenlight to steal? Whose in charge of this team anyway?

 

And, like jason21nl pointed out, Hart went at the exact same time. It sure seemed like something was in the works and failed, but I digress...

I'm not sure what Yost would gain from blaming one of his rookie players. I'm not trying to defend Yost, but it is a possibility that Braun did go on his own, and I think Hart is a smart enough baserunner to watch Braun in front of him take off.

 

 

the trail runner isn't watching the front runner. There is no way hart is paying attention to what Braun is doing on base. They both went at the same exact time. If Braun was going on his own, Hart would have been a good second or two behind him. I have no idea why Ned would deflect blame, but thats what Ned does.

[1992casey]

It appears to me that when Ned says Braun "thought" he had the green light, Ryan didn't have a decision to make. If that's the case, the situation should be blamed on poor communication or mishandled signs rather than a poor decision. In other words it sure sounds like a mistake. (Mistakes, of course, aren't cool, either.)

 

Corey probably ran because Ryan ran. Corey's a good base stealer, and it's probably not much of an issue if he decides to run on his own.

[jason21nl]

If that's the case, the situation should be blamed on poor communication or mishandled signs rather than a poor decision

 

and if thats the case, that simply can't happen. I seriously can't stand Yost. If anything, take blame off your rookie and deflect it on yourself. Take the easy way out, and blame the rookie.

[1992casey]

I agree that communication mistakes shouldn't be happening, either.

 

I have to wonder if Ryan actually did run on his own, Ned decided to bench him today because of it, and decided not to embarrass his player in public.

 

While Ned did say that Ryan had only sat out one game all year and pointed out that he'd been struggling a bit, he also said that it benefits a young player to observe from the bench. Without further context, that makes sense. Adding in the steal attempt last night would seem to make it reasonable to guess that there might have been more to it.

[jason21nl]

I agree that communication mistakes shouldn't be happening, either.

 

I have to wonder if Ryan actually did run on his own, Ned decided to bench him today because of it, and decided not to embarrass his player in public.

 

While Ned did say that Ryan had only sat out one game all year and pointed out that he'd been struggling a bit, he also said that it benefits a young player to observe from the bench. Without further context, that makes sense. Adding in the steal attempt last night would seem to make it reasonable to guess that there might have been more to it.

 

I guess you could go that way. However, Ned didn't like the showboating and didn't sit him after that. Plus I don't think you can sit one of your best players because he tried to steal a base. So only Ned knows what really happened. I just think that he called for a double steal, it didn't work, now he is deflecting blame. Thats just my opinion though

[Fatter than Joey]

In other words, it was Braun's decision to steal, not Yost's. So I guess the only questionable call on Yost's end from the other night was leaving Jenkins in.

 

I think Yost is full of crap, that was a 2xsteal. In either case though, if he has given a rookie the green light to run, that is on Yost as well. It's not as if the green light was written into Braun's contract. Yost gave Braun the green light, that is 100% on Yost. I understand giving the green light to guys like Juan Pierre, giving it to a rookie is questionable.

 

Well I'm calling bull crap on Yost. If it was a straight Braun steal, there is no way Hart is going at the same exact time.

 

Bingo.

 

I'm not sure what Yost would gain from blaming one of his rookie players.

 

Deflecting blame, and saving his job.

 

Corey probably ran because Ryan ran.

 

Corey and Braun left at the same time, it certainly seemed like they were on the same page.

 

Adding in the steal attempt last night would seem to make it reasonable to guess that there might have been more to it.

 

I wondered the same thing. IF Braun was benched because Ned can't control him, or Ned needs to send Braun a message at this point in the season, Ned should be fired today. If Braun is gassed and needed a day off, I am fine with that. If Braun needed to be benched because of a base-running gaffe, that is beyond incompetent managing.

 

All Ned needs to say is something like "We rolled the dice... I made a mistake... etc." Blaming Braun doesn't seem like something a good manager does.

 

EDIT: -- I will give Yost credit for not breaking out the "mosquito" excuse twice in the same season though.

[chowyo123]

I'm not sure what Yost would gain from blaming one of his rookie players.

 

Deflecting blame, and saving his job.

I don't think that will save his job.

 

edit: and not to make this another fire Ned Yost thread, there has been a lot of miscommunication that I've seen between plays this year, and not just with the Brewers. The Nationals were doing a suicide squeeze and the batter missed the sign and swung away rather than bunted. During this week Jacque Jones got thrown out at second due to a missed hit and run sign by the batter. I think it happens more than we know.

 

[BrewCityUnit]

Quick question for everyone, if Braun showed up late on Sunday morning because he was out to late the night before, would you bench him to set an example?

[Fatter than Joey]

No -- I sure wouldn't at this point in the season. I am not sure what the point of sending a message at this point in the season does.

[jason21nl]

BrewCityUnit[/b]]Quick question for everyone, if Braun showed up late on Sunday morning because he was out to late the night before, would you bench him to set an example?

 

I'm not sure what your point is really. Its two totally different things. If he stayed out after a curfew or came to a game hung over and it really hurt the team, damn right Id bench him. Trying to take an extra base where the manager gave him a green light is hardly worth benching over. Especially when its the managers fault.