40-man roster discussion

[djoctagone]

the roster is currently at 36 with the removal of free agents from the roster, the return of ryan braun and rickie weeks and the claim of elian herrera.

 

unsure about miguel de los santos, but apparently, he still remains in roster limbo and isn't part of the 40-man.

[djoctagone]

four contracts purchased today. the roster is now full at 40.

[djoctagone]

with today's trade of burke badenhop, the roster is at 39.

[djoctagone]

with today's rule 5 claim of lhp wei-chung wang from the pirates' system, the roster is full at 40. wang will have to remain on the 25-man roster (if healthy) the entire season or be offered back to the pirates.

[fondybrewfan]

Did we really just pick a rookie league player with 47 professional innings in the Rule 5 draft. But possible purpose could that serve. No chance he is on the 25. He is a lefty but I really can't envision a 21 year old kid going from the Gulf Cost League to Milwaukee and actually sticking.

 

How is this kid even eligible for the Rule 5 draft anyways?

[jerichoholicninja]

How can Wang have been eligible? He's only played one minor league season? I really hope he sticks around. So many Wang Chung references to be had.

[Outlander]

Kind of like Cody Scarpetta his contract was initially voided and renegotiated after an injury was revealed.

[Mass Haas]

How is this kid even eligible for the Rule 5 draft anyways?

 

It's the Cody Scarpetta rule:

 

Source: The reason Wang was eligible here is because his original contract with the Pirates was voided. The Pirates originally signed him for $350,000, but the deal was voided due to medical concerns which led to Tommy John surgery. They re-signed him to a second deal and he underwent the surgery. Any player whose original deal is voided becomes Rule 5 eligible the next draft, no matter when they signed their contract.

 

Read the linked site for a bit more on Wang, who signed initially for $350,000, then re-signed for $60,000.

 

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"When the Brewers drafted righthander Cody Scarpetta out of high school with their 11th-round pick in 2007, Scarpetta initially signed for $325,000, but the Brewers voided that contract and re-signed him a few weeks later for $125,000 when he needed to have surgery on a pre-existing injury to his right index finger. Scarpetta became eligible for the Rule 5 draft the following year, and after he spent the 2009 season in low Class A Wisconsin, the Brewers placed him on their 40-man roster to protect him from the Rule 5 draft" - Baseball America

[sveumrules]

I like the pick up. Stash the kid as a long reliever/low leverage guy all year, build his arm/innings up and see what you've got.

[endaround]

I don't see him staying. He will either be returned to Pittsburgh or a trade will be made in Spring Training. I don't see any real way he stays in Milwaukee for the full season.

[Roderick]

I don't see him staying. He will either be returned to Pittsburgh or a trade will be made in Spring Training. I don't see any real way he stays in Milwaukee for the full season.

 

Yeah, my guess is they hope Pittsburgh doesn't want him that bad when it comes time to return him and they send over some other minor leaguer or cash over in a trade.

[sveumrules]

The sad/funny thing is after Nelson, Jungmann, Williams and Lopez this guy could be about our 5th best pitching prospect.

[jerichoholicninja]

I've been trying to find more information but did this kid play professionally overseas? His age makes me think he might have for at least a season or two but I don't see that he has.

 

I would guess what happens to Wang Chung depends on what happens with Will Smith. If Smith is the loogy then Wang won't be making the team. If Smith is in the rotation then Wang probably stays as the loogy.

[torts]

I've been trying to find more information but did this kid play professionally overseas? His age makes me think he might have for at least a season or two but I don't see that he has.

 

I would guess what happens to Wang Chung depends on what happens with Will Smith. If Smith is the loogy then Wang won't be making the team. If Smith is in the rotation then Wang probably stays as the loogy.

 

well he had TJ in 2012, and a friend of mine who follows the buccos closely told me that the reason why he was in rookie ball this year was because he was in extended spring training recovering and supposedly should have been in A ball this year. he said the organization was high on this kid, but he wasnt with the team long enough to protect from this draft with a 40-man roster spot when they've got so many good/great prospects to protect as it is

[jerichoholicninja]

I've been trying to find more information but did this kid play professionally overseas? His age makes me think he might have for at least a season or two but I don't see that he has.

 

I would guess what happens to Wang Chung depends on what happens with Will Smith. If Smith is the loogy then Wang won't be making the team. If Smith is in the rotation then Wang probably stays as the loogy.

 

well he had TJ in 2012, and a friend of mine who follows the buccos closely told me that the reason why he was in rookie ball this year was because he was in extended spring training recovering and supposedly should have been in A ball this year. he said the organization was high on this kid, but he wasnt with the team long enough to protect from this draft with a 40-man roster spot when they've got so many good/great prospects to protect as it is

 

I was guessing based on his age and just having had Tommy John he was probably in rookie ball for rehab more so than that was the level he was supposed to be at.

[LouisEly]

IIRC, they can stash him on IR but he has to be placed on the 25-man roster when he comes off of IR. So I think if he isn't fully recovered from TJ they can put him on IR at least for a while.

 

Please correct me if I'm wrong on this.

[torts]

IIRC, they can stash him on IR but he has to be placed on the 25-man roster when he comes off of IR. So I think if he isn't fully recovered from TJ they can put him on IR at least for a while.

 

Please correct me if I'm wrong on this.

 

would have to go on 60-day DL to not count on 25-man roster, but he pitched in 2013 after TJ in 2012, with pretty good numbers, so he's not hurt anymore so they can't do this.

[Roderick]

IIRC, they can stash him on IR but he has to be placed on the 25-man roster when he comes off of IR. So I think if he isn't fully recovered from TJ they can put him on IR at least for a while.

 

Please correct me if I'm wrong on this.

 

would have to go on 60-day DL to not count on 25-man roster, but he pitched in 2013 after TJ in 2012, with pretty good numbers, so he's not hurt anymore so they can't do this.

 

You mean 60-day DL to not count on the 40-man roster and 15 day DL for 25 man, right? Or is there a different rule for rule 5 pickups?

[brewcrewdue80]

I think this guy winds up sticking. Sounds appealing to have a 93-94MPH Fastball and a plus Curve ball to go with it. When the guy only walked 4 batters in his...47ip? was it? I'm not as concerned about him making the jump to likely turn in as a mop up/Loogy RP. When after this season the Brewers could return his development back to a SP and maybe have found a gem no one thought would be acquired.

 

And for his price talk about a great find being a Lefty RP. Rather than pay JP Howell 3-4mil a year they get an upstart for League Minimum. Who has upside.

[JohnBriggs12]

I don't think he'll stick but the Brewers will offer Pittsburgh something of value to keep him.

[torts]

IIRC, they can stash him on IR but he has to be placed on the 25-man roster when he comes off of IR. So I think if he isn't fully recovered from TJ they can put him on IR at least for a while.

 

Please correct me if I'm wrong on this.

 

would have to go on 60-day DL to not count on 25-man roster, but he pitched in 2013 after TJ in 2012, with pretty good numbers, so he's not hurt anymore so they can't do this.

 

You mean 60-day DL to not count on the 40-man roster and 15 day DL for 25 man, right? Or is there a different rule for rule 5 pickups?

 

you're right, 15-day /25-man, 60-day /40-man, theres not a different rule for rule 5, I just had a brain fart

[djoctagone]

although currently not on the 40-man roster, infielder taylor green has an out clause in his contract if he isn't added to the 40-man roster by 15 june 2014. obviously, that's a long time ahead, but worth noting as we keep track of the 40-man this offseason.

[Mass Haas]

The three players outrighted by the Brewers October 23rd (RHP's Santo Manzanillo, Josh Ravin, and Jesus Sanchez) all have over seven years of professional experience. Each will become a minor league free agent five days after the World Series unless they agree to a new minor league deal with the Brewers. Even if Sanchez did not have the service time (he's an eight-year pro), because this is the second time he's been outrighted (late in 2010 by the Phillies), he could have elected free agency.

 

Josh Ravin signs a minor league deal with the Dodgers today; earlier Sanchez had signed one with the Marlins, no word on Manzanillo yet.

[torts]

The three players outrighted by the Brewers October 23rd (RHP's Santo Manzanillo, Josh Ravin, and Jesus Sanchez) all have over seven years of professional experience. Each will become a minor league free agent five days after the World Series unless they agree to a new minor league deal with the Brewers. Even if Sanchez did not have the service time (he's an eight-year pro), because this is the second time he's been outrighted (late in 2010 by the Phillies), he could have elected free agency.

 

Josh Ravin signs a minor league deal with the Dodgers today; earlier Sanchez had signed one with the Marlins, no word on Manzanillo yet.

 

Sanchez seemed to always be a MiLBer that a lot of people wanted to see get a shot in milwaukee, wonder what kept him from getting a shot

[Mass Haas]

Good topic at BCB here -- Looking ahead: When the Brewers add, who goes?.

 

If Hand, Herrera, or De La Torre were removed, they have enough service time to elect free agency if they wish, although if offered a minor league spot at this point in the offseason, they likely would accept it.