The Trade With the Braves Thread

[splitterpfj]

Atlanta had already been looking for a reliever when they lost Tim Hudson. Now, they probably need to add a starter and a reliever, in a hurry.

 

Atlanta's farm system is thinner right now than we're used to seeing it, their system was ranked one spot ahead of Milwaukee's by "Baseball America" prior to the season. Just like the Brewers' situation with Peralta, the Braves' best prospect, Julio Teheran, graduated to the big leagues, and is helping the big club.

 

Click the link to get an idea who their better prospects are, and tell me what deal the Brewers and Braves will make....

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2013/

[reillymcshane]

Atlanta is reportedly looking at starting pitchers as well.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/07/braves-considering-trades-for-rotation-help.html

 

Supposedly they are interested in Bud Norris.

 

Maybe Lohse would be a match - along with a bullpen arm.

[PrinceEatMeat]

Lohse and Gonzalez to Atlanta would seem like a good fit.

[brewcrewdue80]

The only logic for me is that Lohse would cost them Lucas Sims. has to with Atl's Prospect pickings.

Norris in no way is worth Sims and Atl. then at least keeps one of the few remaining prize prospecta they have.

[brewmann04]

Loshe and Gonzo seems like a logic move and Loshe is a better pitcher than Norris.

[And That]

The Braves don't have a ton of payroll room, so the Brewers would probably have to eat some of Lohse's salary to get a really good prospect back.

 

Which they might have to do in any case.

[brewmann04]

Hopefully this Thread is more than Rumours.

[brewcrewdue80]

The Braves don't have a ton of payroll room, so the Brewers would probably have to eat some of Lohse's salary to get a really good prospect back.

 

Which they might have to do in any case.

 

Based on what is available though. Peavy? He's owed more than Lohse. For the Braves, there just isn't a Top of the Rotation starter out there for them not name Lohse. Either they go after him or else, don't trade at all imo. The rest of the market isn't a significant if at all upgrade for them.

Oh, and I just read MLBTR saying Atl. isn't in on Peavy anymore.

 

Atlanta is in a tough situation because honestly their team isn't as strong as once believed. Medlen has taken a Gallardo like step back this year. Hudson is out. Essentially, their #1 is Mike Minor, followed by Teheran, and the returning from injury tomorrow Brandon Beachy #3? And the rest of the season in division, isn't dealing with cakewalk Miami anymore with all the Pitchers in rotation and the callups of Marishnick and Yelich. Mets have Wheeler with Harvey. with Atl's struggling Offense vs. the Pitching Talent by the bottom feeding teams, that to me spells doom. Washington should be walking away with this division it's sickening to watch them remain bad w/o some kind of 7-9 game winning streak. I think in the End Washington wins the division w/o Atlanta upgrading here at the deadline. And that upgrade being Lohse.

[JohnBriggs12]

Now that the Brewers have added another pitcher to the rotation mix, is it time to revisit the Lohse to Atlanta talk?

[splitterpfj]

It sounds like Atlanta wants to add a pitcher, but they're saying they can't take on much payroll.

 

To me, the biggest question is, will the Brewers part with Lohse, or will ownership decide they can compete in 2014?

 

I know what most of the fans here would want, but this ownership group has not been the "win later" sort.

[Mr Southpaw]

What about flipping Uggla and Weeks? We throw in a MiLB AAA pitcher and they send us someone like Kyle Kubitza (high A 3B) or Edward Salcedo (AA SS).

[nate82]

What about flipping Uggla and Weeks? We throw in a MiLB AAA pitcher and they send us someone like Kyle Kubitza (high A 3B) or Edward Salcedo (AA SS).

 

That doesn't really help the Braves at all. Why would they trade Uggla for Weeks? That is like trading a rotten orange for a rotten apple. It doesn't really do much for the Braves or the Brewers at all.

 

One player that does make sense with the Braves is 1B/OF Terdoslavich as he doesn't have a position to play for the Braves. Both of the corner OF spots are taken by Heyward and Upton and his only other position he can play is 1B and he isn't going to get a lot of playing time there with Freeman at 1B unless Freeman gets injured. Gennett would be a fair swap for Terdoslavich as I don't have any confidence in Gennett being anything more than a .250/.300/.300 player and with his defense being as bad as Weeks defense that is just ugly.

[Mr Southpaw]

Sometimes a change of scenery helps?

[TooLiveBrew]

What about flipping Uggla and Weeks? We throw in a MiLB AAA pitcher and they send us someone like Kyle Kubitza (high A 3B) or Edward Salcedo (AA SS).

 

That doesn't really help the Braves at all. Why would they trade Uggla for Weeks? That is like trading a rotten orange for a rotten apple. It doesn't really do much for the Braves or the Brewers at all.

Disclaimer: I don't disagree with your larger point here

 

However, fwiw Uggla is owed a guaranteed $26MM for 2014-15, whereas Weeks is only guaranteed $11MM (2014). So it could make sense from the Braves' p.o.v., but definitely not from the Brewers' (esp. because Uggla is 3 years older than Rickie).

[JohnBriggs12]

What about flipping Uggla and Weeks? We throw in a MiLB AAA pitcher and they send us someone like Kyle Kubitza (high A 3B) or Edward Salcedo (AA SS).

 

That doesn't really help the Braves at all. Why would they trade Uggla for Weeks? That is like trading a rotten orange for a rotten apple. It doesn't really do much for the Braves or the Brewers at all.

 

One player that does make sense with the Braves is 1B/OF Terdoslavich as he doesn't have a position to play for the Braves. Both of the corner OF spots are taken by Heyward and Upton and his only other position he can play is 1B and he isn't going to get a lot of playing time there with Freeman at 1B unless Freeman gets injured. Gennett would be a fair swap for Terdoslavich as I don't have any confidence in Gennett being anything more than a .250/.300/.300 player and with his defense being as bad as Weeks defense that is just ugly.

 

The Brewers aren't anywhere near as down on Gennett as you Nate. His batting stats were promising albeit in a small sample but everything they've said is that he looked fine defensively and I agree with that assessment.

[monty57]

I don't see it. Lohse is going to start the season with Milwaukee. It's possible he's traded mid-season, but not until then. Meanwhile, even if he's not a world-beater, we need Gennett. He's young, cheap and MLB ready. He is needed this year to keep Weeks from getting the PAs needed for the automatic option vesting to kick in, and he's needed in the future to man 2B, as we don't have anyone in the system to cover that role.

[Mr Southpaw]

Uggla contract is worse than Weeks so how about this..

 

Uggla 2b 13.2,13.2

C Johnson 3b 3.5?, Arb, Arb

Starting Pitcher AAA .5, .5, .5

 

for

 

Weeks 12, FA

ARam 16, 4

and

Gallardo 11.5, FA

or

Lohse 11, 11

 

The Braves could afford the three contracts, as the Upton brothers are the only other big contracts. Johnson worth is in the fact that he is controllable, but as long a s ARam is healthy there is not much difference in play. Yo or Lohse improves their pitching depth without much cost. Brewers get rid of three large contracts an only take one back and get the 3b of the future and a Nelson/ Hellweg pitcher back.

 

Tear it up......

[sheetskout]

Uggla contract is worse than Weeks so how about this..

 

Uggla 2b 13.2,13.2

C Johnson 3b 3.5?, Arb, Arb

Starting Pitcher AAA .5, .5, .5

 

for

 

Weeks 12, FA

ARam 16, 4

and

Gallardo 11.5, FA

or

Lohse 11, 11

 

The Braves could afford the three contracts, as the Upton brothers are the only other big contracts. Johnson worth is in the fact that he is controllable, but as long a s ARam is healthy there is not much difference in play. Yo or Lohse improves their pitching depth without much cost. Brewers get rid of three large contracts an only take one back and get the 3b of the future and a Nelson/ Hellweg pitcher back.

 

Tear it up......

 

Unless the pitching prospect in this scenario is Lucas Sims (which it's not) count me out. We aren't getting enough back.

 

I am not sold on Chris Johnson who is approaching 30, has had one good season, and still owns a 116/29 K/BB in 2013. Pass.

[logan82]

Why would we want to do that deal? We are done with Weeks and Ramirez after this year. Why take back Uggla and that contract? I would rather leave Weeks out of a trade and get some good talent back. Looks like Johnson has at least 4 years of service time in already so no way would he be the "3B of the future." Money is tight for us but really isn't the issue. We need young talent. Greinke for Segura is the model for trades we should be looking at not Podsednik for Lee.

[monty57]

Yeah, I wouldn't use Weeks as a negative value in a trade like that. Depending on health and performance, Ramirez, Gallardo and Lohse could bring something of value back. If any or all of them are performing well mid-season and the Brewers are out of it, then they could be used to bring back good young talent.

 

I'd rather just dump Weeks and pay his salary than pick up the similarly tarnished Uggla, to whom we would owe more money for a longer period. Personally, I think Weeks will either be traded for some obscure A-baller before the season, or he will begin the season only facing LHP, in hopes he'll mash it and that'll fool some GM into thinking he'd be a good guy to trade for.