The Trade Two Relievers to Detroit Thread

[splitterpfj]

Detroit wants two relievers, they think they can reach the World Series this year, if they fix the back end of their bullpen; K-Rod sounds like he's their choice as closer.

 

Remember last year when Baltimore wanted Greinke, but their farm system was pretty much Manny Machado, Dylan Bundy, and ?

 

Detroit has a similar situation, their system isn't very deep at the moment, but at the top they have 3B/OF Nick Castellanos, and OF Avisail Garcia. These two aren't in the class of Machado and Bundy, but they're both excellent prospects.

 

Castellanos profiles to be a .300 hitter, with 20 homers/40 doubles. He may be able to handle third base in the majors, if not, he's an outfielder. Garcia is probably the riskier of the two, he's got plenty of talent, but he's rough, a free-swinger at this point. Best case for Garcia - he becomes a 20/20-type outfielder.

 

Both of these guys have a great deal of potential, and scouts think Detroit would deal one of them if they thought they were getting enough to make them favorites to reach the World Series...which in their case, essentially means if they get their bullpen over the top.

 

This will mean K-Rod, and another good bullpen arm, one they control beyond this season, so Axford, or Henderson.

 

I don't know if Detroit would give up one of these guys for two relievers or not, but it's not as crazy as it may sound, they're going for it, and a better bullpen may actually be all they need this year.

 

If the Brewers are going to pull a deal this July that is universally praised, Detroit may be the best bet.

[vegasbrewcrew1993]

I'd be disappointed if the Brewers were not able to find a pitching prospects. Castellanos is a really good prospect though. That would definitely take care of 3B. We could be looking at an infield of Castellanos, Segura, Gennett/Weeks, and Morris. Not bad at all. Do you think the Brewers could get Jake Thompson?

[igor67]

I'll second the idea of adding a pitcher. They are the least predictable and I'd hold out for a low level guy who had some projectability that gave him a shot to be better than someone we already have. There is some strategy needed because you only have so many innings to try and develop guys.

[Roderick]

I'll second the idea of adding a pitcher. They are the least predictable and I'd hold out for a low level guy who had some projectability that gave him a shot to be better than someone we already have. There is some strategy needed because you only have so many innings to try and develop guys.

 

I wouldn't limit who the Brewers get back in a trade to a pitcher if it meant taking that much back less in talent. Especially if we can get a 3B prospect.

[JohnBriggs12]

I'll second the idea of adding a pitcher. They are the least predictable and I'd hold out for a low level guy who had some projectability that gave him a shot to be better than someone we already have. There is some strategy needed because you only have so many innings to try and develop guys.

 

I wouldn't limit who the Brewers get back in a trade to a pitcher if it meant taking that much back less in talent. Especially if we can get a 3B prospect.

 

Amen, especially for relievers. Do I really think two Brewer relievers will get them Castellanos? Not likely, but I'd make that move in an instant over one that nets the same type of pitching prospects the Brewers have now in their system. Three names that Detroit has that could hold some interest are Drew VerHagen, Kyle Lobstein, and Warwick Saupold. Not bad, but not in your top of the line category either. Lobstein is a lefty and the Brewers are short lefties in the high minors.

[fleehaw]

Aoki would look great in the Tigers 2-hole. He and two of the Brewers relief pitchers should nab Castellanos plus maybe a nugget.

[JohnBriggs12]

Aoki would look great in the Tigers 2-hole. He and two of the Brewers relief pitchers should nab Castellanos plus maybe a nugget.

 

 

Not a bad idea. Andy Dirks hasn't given them a whole lot this year at the top of their order. It would depend on how much of an upgrade they would consider Aoki.

[yoyo49]

Aoki would provide the Tigers an offensive upgrade in LF and insurance at all three OF positions, but the top two in their lineup is set with Jackson and Hunter. Aoki would likely hit in the bottom third of their order.

[brewmann04]

If moving forward then they have to get pitching back in any trade.

[splitterpfj]

Brewmann, Mr Castellanos is currently the #15 prospect in all of baseball, if moving forward, they have to get excellent young talent in any trade.

 

They need pitchers, you're right, but if Castellanos can be had, he needs to be had. If we trade for a slightly above average pitching prospect, because he is a pitching prospect, thereby leaving an impact hitter out of the picture...I will be very angry.

[brewmann04]

Ok I agreed on your point makes sense, just concerned that we miss on pitchers.

[Dmiles23]

If moving forward then they have to get pitching back in any trade.

 

A lot of people are saying this. "We have to get pitching back if we make trades." And while I agree with that to some extent, we have to get back the highest regarded players regardless of position for a couple reasons.

 

First, our MiLB system isn't exactly stacked with great position players. We may have a few, but they are still in the lower levels of the system... and who knows if they are going to develop.

 

And secondly, we don't really have that big piece to trade to get a top of the rotation arm. Gallardo could possibly bring back a higher upside arm, but that's very borderline. Most teams aren't willing to give up guys with top of the rotation potential. And the Brewers right now have a glut of #3-#4 type pitchers that could possibly top out as a #2. How many of those type pitchers do we need?

 

The team needs to build through their MiLB system once again, and need to acquire the best talent offered regardless of position.

[JackNicholson1974]

Id rather get this Castellanos than another Zach Jackson. K-Rod and axford/henderson + the supp pick for Castellanos?

[brewmann04]

I agree but think we have more position players in our system than potential starting pitching in our system . But as long as we get impact player it good.

[Harry Doyles JD]

I agree but think we have more OUTFIELDERS in our system than potential starting pitching in our system . But as long as we get impact player it good.

FIFY.

 

The Crew needs talent period. Best player available as much as possible. Castellanos fits that bill....the fact that he's at a position of need is gravy.

[brewmann04]

Well we have Hunter Morris and Scooter as infielders.

[Dmiles23]

Below is a link I came across on Twitter this evening. Dodgers are apparently after KRod.

 

http://brewernation.mlblogs.com/2013/07/19/trade-rumor-report-another-k-rod-suitor-has-been-identified/

[markedman5]

Tigers hoping to acquire Francisco Rodriguez ESPN's Buster Olney reports that the Tigers are hoping to acquire the Brewers' Francisco Rodriguez.

But Detroit is probably going to have to pay a hefty price. There is a crowded trade market for K-Rod, who has a brilliant 1.14 ERA, 1.01 WHIP and 26/8 K/BB ratio in 23 2/3 innings this season. If he winds up with the Tigers, he could get a chance to save games.

[paul253]

What can we realistically expect for KRod? Can we get a pitching prospect with #3 upside? I'd say if not then ask for a position player. We have enough 4's and 5's.

[chadomac]

I said this in another thread, but our best bet is to find a team that has another need we can supply, like Aoki or Gallardo. I feel like Aoki and KRod could get us a really nice return, while just a reliever probably won't do much.

[brewmann04]

The more demand for K Rod the better for the Crew.

[brewcrewdue80]

Saw the remark on MLBTR about Detroit looking at KRod. I don't know how high we can shoot in just a rental of KRod? So definitely need added to the deal if we're talking landing Castellanos.

 

Any RP should be made available for Castellanos. Gorzo or Thornburg maybe? Henderson and KRod I don't think get it done.

 

The other deal is Aoki and KRod plus that 2nd RP for Castellanos and someone more I would believe when including Aoki. Dirks really doesn't show much to have a vote of confidence moving forward.

 

Other player in the deal would be one of the other OFs in our system. But personally, I don't get trading for a KRod + minor leaguer for Castellanos as if you can improve that OF spot along in the deal I'd go for it. Aoki+KRod seems the best deal to part with Castellanos. I'd likely ask for a RP on Detroit's farm too in the trade.

[splitterpfj]

The Marlins say Steve Cishek is not available, and the Twins say they won't deal Glen Perkins...good, the less on the market, the better.

[jjfanec]

What am I missing that Castellanos' name is being brought up in trades for relief pitching? The kid is a stud and I would be surprised if two RP and Aoki got him. I would do that deal in a heart beat. I dont think there is anyway we get another play thrown in. A decent OF and two RP for a top 30 prospect? Seems lopsided to me. Now our tradeable comp pick might be a good chip here.

[Warning Track Power]

Other player in the deal would be one of the other OFs in our system. But personally, I don't get trading for a KRod + minor leaguer for Castellanos as if you can improve that OF spot along in the deal I'd go for it. Aoki+KRod seems the best deal to part with Castellanos. I'd likely ask for a RP on Detroit's farm too in the trade.

I'd do K-Rod and Aoki for Castellanos in a heartbeat.