Trade Ramírez?

[CheezWizHed]

I've said for a while now that I think maintaining attendance is a higher priority to Attanasio than maximizing wins long-term.

 

Yes, most likely. Its the business-like thing to do. Still an improvement on the Seligs.

 

However, in the Ramirez case, I don't see a better decision that really helps the Brewers either financially or on the playing field.

- Ramirez is still a better player than Green (and I like Green)

- In a salary dump move, the Brewers eat maybe half his salary and lose a few more million in lost revenues. Still gains some money, but not a significant amount more.

 

I still say their best move is to keep Ramirez and bank on him improving.

[SoupTown]

Reading somewhere this morning I came across 'the Yankees are looking at ARam as a one year solution at third'

 

That was weird to read. As it was a casual throw in line!

[Warning Track Power]

Reading somewhere this morning I came across 'the Yankees are looking at ARam as a one year solution at third'

 

That was weird to read. As it was a casual throw in line!

Here is the article:

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mil/phil-rogers-feel-good-vibes-prevail-in-milwaukee?ymd=20140127&content_id=67163932&vkey=news_mil

 

I wonder if the Brewers would entertain trading Ramirez and move Reynolds to 3B if they could get a quality 1B in return? I for one think this is not the best idea, but worth mentioning since the article discusses the idea of a Ramirez trade.

[yoyomayoma]

That would be two huge holes at the corners if we did that. Reynolds is a serviceable 1B but not a good defensive 3B. If we dealt Ramirez, I would assume we'd see Weeks and/or some awful combo of players there. I think once we signed Garza the writing was on the wall that this is the team you'll see opening day outside of a few little moves.

[KCBrewerfan34]

Signing Garza tells me the Brew are going for it again over the next 2 years, they ain't dealing Ramirez

[JohnBriggs12]

I think if they looked hard enough the Brewers could find their own stopgap at 3B. The White Sox would love to unload Jeff Keppinger. Now if you knew you were getting the 2012 version of Keppinger, that wouldn't be too big of a dropoff. But I still don't see a match with the Yankees.

[paul253]

Signing Garza tells me the Brew are going for it again over the next 2 years, they ain't dealing Ramirez

 

I'm sorry but I just laughed a little when thinking about the Brewers "going for it" with Mark Reynold, Lyle Overbay and Juan Francisco fighting it out to be the starting first baseman and no depth whatsoever. The Brewers of 2012-2015 (I know it's only 2014 now but I'm just predicting based on the multiyear contracts they are giving out) just scream of the Bucks of 2010-2013. Milwaukee sports fans deserve better.

[JohnBriggs12]

Signing Garza tells me the Brew are going for it again over the next 2 years, they ain't dealing Ramirez

 

I'm sorry but I just laughed a little when thinking about the Brewers "going for it" with Mark Reynold, Lyle Overbay and Juan Francisco fighting it out to be the starting first baseman and no depth whatsoever. The Brewers of 2012-2015 (I know it's only 2014 now but I'm just predicting based on the multiyear contracts they are giving out) just scream of the Bucks of 2010-2013. Milwaukee sports fans deserve better.

 

Baseball doesn't compare with pro basketball. No comparison at all. Lets see on opening day who's at 1B or if either Overbay or Francisco are even on the roster. As for the "no depth" comment, there isn't a team in baseball that can survive major injuries to it's star players. Depth is way overrated and bench production is very random.

[TheCrew07]

Baseball doesn't compare with pro basketball. No comparison at all.

 

That depends entirely on your perspective... In this case the Brewers are not and have not been true contenders, they've been chasing the last playoff spot, 85th win, however you wish to frame it... which is very similar to the Bucks chasing the 8th seed in the NBA. Sure the playoff formats are different and the economics are completely different, but patching holes with "name" players for ticket sales is all about the short term, and the Brewers have been operating with the immediate future in mind for far too long, just like the Bucks.

 

I stand by my assertion that if a team doesn't continually build and turn over the roster with young impact players, regardless of the sport, that team is stuck in neutral. There is no such thing as the building phase being over for a franchise in the Free Agency era of any professional sport, either you cycle talent and stay relevant or stand pat and slowly watch it fall apart over 3-4 years. Teams that are successful in FA buy value to fill small holes, regardless of sport, but for the most part FA is a trap where you pay a player for what he's done in the past rather that what he's going to do for you tomorrow.

[homer]

Baseball doesn't compare with pro basketball. No comparison at all.

That depends entirely on your perspective... In this case the Brewers are not and have not been true contenders, they've been chasing the last playoff spot, 85th win, however you wish to frame it... which is very similar to the Bucks chasing the 8th seed in the NBA.

 

 

Not even close. You can win a World Series with 85 wins. You cannot win an NBA title (much less a series) with the 8th seed.

[RockCoCougars]

Ramirez will not be traded before the all star game. I'd bet my house on it.

[TheCrew07]

Not even close. You can win a World Series with 85 wins. You cannot win an NBA title (much less a series) with the 8th seed.

 

Again, as I acknowledged, the post season formats are completely different. The Brewers will not get to, much less win a World Series, with the kind of roster construction that Melvin has historically built.

 

Postseason baseball is entirely different than the regular season because your depth doesn't matter, it's all about best vs best. Our pitching has never matched up with any of the best teams, not even with Greinke. Zack works out of the strike zone too much, he will struggle with more patient line-ups that won't chase his stuff out of the zone.

 

I agree that the first step to getting to a World Series is making the post season, and there's a big difference between being the 5th team in baseball, and the 8th team in basketball, but the idea being discussed is that if you make the post season in baseball you are a true "contender", which I don't believe to be to true. If we don't match-up, we aren't really contenders, and the part of this equation that gets overlooked too often is that pretty much every Brewer starting pitcher with the exception of Peralta is the same guy... Average velocity, decent secondary stuff, depend almost entirely on control to be successful, throw too many pitches to regularly get through 6... You can have a guy like Lohse or Suppan as your 3rd starter in the playoffs if they are a big enough change of pace from your other 2 guys. Then the hitters have to adjust to completely different style, and that's always something I had trouble with when I played, for some reason a guy who threw much slower than the pitcher before him caused me all kinds of problems but the reverse wasn't true.

 

The Brewers have essentially been the same team since 2006, sooner or later Brewer fans are going to figure it that nothing really significant changes from year to year, the same patterns just keep repeating over and over, and apathy will return. In that sense the Brewers are heading down the same path as the Bucks... perpetually floating around average. Some years will be better than others, but the simple truth is that you can't be 3rd best team in your own division and expect to have serious World Series aspirations.