2013-07-05 Mets (Wheeler) at Brewers (Hellweg), 7:05 PM CDT [Brewers lose, 12-5]

[adambr2]

This team could not be any worse fundamentally.

[sauveb]

How do you know that?

 

How do you know Aoki didn't go on his own?

If Aoki went on his own that shouldn't fall on Sedar. If that is the case it was a terrible bit of base running and the manager should take him to task about it. It would be another example of the lack of discipline that drives Turbo crazy. Either way it is ultimately on Roenicke's shoulders.

[trwi7]

I said on another board that ERA in Nashville was the worst thing to happen to Hellweg. Made them believe he was ready to contribute when he clearly wasn't. He needs to go back down to Nashville after the game. Bring up a reliever and let Thornburg start.

[scuttlebutts]

How do you know that?

 

How do you know Aoki didn't go on his own?

If Aoki went on his own that shouldn't fall on Sedar. If that is the case it was a terrible bit of base running and the manger should take him to task about it. It would be another example of the lack of discipline that drives Turbo crazy. Either way it is ultimately on Roenicke's shoulders.

You are another "good 'ol boy" that loves the funny guy that can't coach. If Seder wasn't on the Brewers staff, he'd be out of baseball.

[stoutdude04]

How do you know that?

 

How do you know Aoki didn't go on his own?

If Aoki went on his own that shouldn't fall on Sedar. If that is the case it was a terrible bit of base running and the manger should take him to task about it. It would be another example of the lack of discipline that drives Turbo crazy. Either way it is ultimately on Roenicke's shoulders.

 

I agree its on Ron, one poster was going after sedar for that one. I'm quite certain sedar had nothing to do with that.

[saget]

I'm pretty sure the players basically ignore Sedar anyways. You could put a scarecrow at 3rd base and have the same results. Players frequently blow through his stop signs and half the people he sends get thrown out.

[scuttlebutts]

I'm pretty sure the players basically ignore Sedar. You could put a scarecrow at 3rd base and have the same results. Players frequently blow through his stop signs and half the people he sends get thrown out.

 

 

LIke it!

[adambr2]

Schafer is the most overrated of the young Brewer players by fans, announcers, and management. Easily.

 

Somebody had to say it.

[brewcrewdue80]

Francisco is taking that whole terrible 1b OPS on the season and bringing the Brewers closer to average every game he plays there.

[sauveb]

I'm pretty sure the players basically ignore Sedar anyways. You could put a scarecrow at 3rd base and have the same results. Players frequently blow through his stop signs and half the people he sends get thrown out.

And now we are back to the overall lack of discipline on this team. If they are ignoring the third base coach and the manager can't stop it then it is time for a new manager.

[brewcrewdue80]

Schafer is the most overrated of the young Brewer players by fans, announcers, and management. Easily.

 

Somebody had to say it.

 

Adam how do you feel about Francisco? I feel like 10games ago he wasn't worth occupying Betancourt's spot in the lineup in your mind.

[TheCrew07]

I said on another board that ERA in Nashville was the worst thing to happen to Hellweg. Made them believe he was ready to contribute when he clearly wasn't. He needs to go back down to Nashville after the game. Bring up a reliever and let Thornburg start.

 

I've talked quite a bit about a pitcher's ability to miss bats on the minor league forum, I really don't get the ground ball obsession around baseball. Ground balls are just as varied as fly balls, it's not like every ground ball should be converted into an out or is "lucky" to get through the infield. The only real difference is that ground ball can never be a HR, which has some value, but I think ground balls are vastly overrated.

 

How about pitchers who can get themselves out of trouble on their own?

 

I think Hellweg can still be successful, but he's never had the command or missed enough bats. The first thing he needs is to command the zone better and then if he can sharpen his secondary stuff he could be a MLB starter. Until then I think he's a reliever.

[trwi7]

Schafer is the most overrated of the young Brewer players by fans, announcers, and management. Easily.

 

Somebody had to say it.

 

Gennett

[TURBO]

I'm pretty sure the players basically ignore Sedar anyways. You could put a scarecrow at 3rd base and have the same results. Players frequently blow through his stop signs and half the people he sends get thrown out.

And now we are back to the overall lack of discipline on this team. If they are ignoring the third base coach and the manager can't stop it then it is time for a new manager.

 

 

We are LONG past the time for a new manager... I just hope we severely clean house on this coaching staff this off-season. A change is needed, badly!

[Outlander]

Francisco has been a nice pickup, not only has he shown power but for the first time in his career he is walking on a regular basis.

[davego]

Can he play 3rd at the big-league level?

[Baldkin]

I said on another board that ERA in Nashville was the worst thing to happen to Hellweg. Made them believe he was ready to contribute when he clearly wasn't. He needs to go back down to Nashville after the game. Bring up a reliever and let Thornburg start.

 

I've talked quite a bit about a pitcher's ability to miss bats on the minor league forum, I really don't get the ground ball obsession around baseball. Ground balls are just as varied as fly balls, it's not like every ground ball should be converted into an out or is "lucky" to get through the infield. The only real difference is that ground ball can never be a HR, which has some value, but I think ground balls are vastly overrated.

 

How about pitchers who can get themselves out of trouble on their own?

 

I think Hellweg can still be successful, but he's never had the command or missed enough bats. The first thing he needs is to command the zone better and then if he can sharpen his secondary stuff he could be a MLB starter. Until then I think he's a reliever.

 

Flyballs are worth almost 3x as much as groundballs.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/library/offense/batted-ball/

 

A line drive produces 1.26 runs per out, while fly balls produce 0.13 runs per out and groundballs produce 0.05 runs per out. In other words, batters want to hit lots of line drives and fly balls, while pitchers generally want to cause batters to hit groundballs.

[trwi7]

It's really annoying listening to BA.

 

"You just know Hellweg is going to have a good career, you know with the way he goes about his business."

 

I know a lot of you think he's great but he's just a homer who spouts clichéd garbage broadcast after broadcast.

[brewcrewdue80]

I said on another board that ERA in Nashville was the worst thing to happen to Hellweg. Made them believe he was ready to contribute when he clearly wasn't. He needs to go back down to Nashville after the game. Bring up a reliever and let Thornburg start.

 

I've talked quite a bit about a pitcher's ability to miss bats on the minor league forum, I really don't get the ground ball obsession around baseball. Ground balls are just as varied as fly balls, it's not like every ground ball should be converted into an out or is "lucky" to get through the infield. The only real difference is that ground ball can never be a HR, which has some value, but I think ground balls are vastly overrated.

 

How about pitchers who can get themselves out of trouble on their own?

 

I think Hellweg can still be successful, but he's never had the command or missed enough bats. The first thing he needs is to command the zone better and then if he can sharpen his secondary stuff he could be a MLB starter. Until then I think he's a reliever.

 

Flyballs are worth almost 3x as much as groundballs.

 

How many Runs per out does a Strikeout net?

 

That's what Crew is harping on. If you can make a batter miss more often then allow them to put a ball in play it will result in an ability to lower your ERs.

 

A guy that Ks 6.5/9 or a guy that Ks 8+/9 If every ground out is worth .05 runs the Pitcher with the ability to K 2 more batters every 9ip being a groundball pitcher then saves at .1ER per 9. But the Flyball pitcher if he can get two more outs per 9 with a K then he in your numbers is saving himself .26ER per 9.

 

 

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/library/offense/batted-ball/

 

A line drive produces 1.26 runs per out, while fly balls produce 0.13 runs per out and groundballs produce 0.05 runs per out. In other words, batters want to hit lots of line drives and fly balls, while pitchers generally want to cause batters to hit groundballs.

[Baldkin]

Yes, of course strikeouts are best for a pitcher, did I ever say they weren't?

 

I said, the reason people harp on groundball pitchers is because flyballs score 3x as many runs as groundballs.

[brewcrewdue80]

Time for a Weeks down by 5 2Run HR

[BarneyStinston]

I'm pretty sure the players basically ignore Sedar anyways. You could put a scarecrow at 3rd base and have the same results. Players frequently blow through his stop signs and half the people he sends get thrown out.

 

I frequently view the Brewers' 3rd base coach to be equally efficient as a scarecrow with a revolving windmill/pinwheel arm on the front waving anything and everything in. The results would be exactly the same. Sedar's decision-making is no better than the randomness of a stiff breeze occurring.

[brewcrewdue80]

didn't work.

Today's box score looks like early this season. Lucroy and Weeks 0Fers. #6(Gomez early now Francisco) getting on base. Top of the order getting on base. No other base runners...

As I say that Schafer gets a hit!

[The stache]

How are we looking tonight, guys? I'm still stuck in the hospital, so I can't access mlb.tv. The wireless connection here isn't strong enough to do anything but frustrate the hell out of me.

[H4P]

Well, 'stache. Outside of the 10 runs, the Crew played great!

 

Sorry to hear you're in the hospital. You aren't missing much tonight.