Arizona Interest in Brewers Pitchers

[RockCoCougars]

Arizona definitely looks like the best match to me. Another thing to consider is that they may overvalue Gallardo a tad due to his past performance against them, including the NLDS. Just from what I've seen/read on the two pitchers, I'd prefer Bradley, but it looks like he is on the untouchable list for them. Skaggs looks to have less upside on the MLB level, but it looks like he is a pretty 'safe' prospect. May not be a bonafide ace, but could be an upper rotation guy who the Brewers could put in the rotation from day one.

[PrinceFielderx1]

TheCrew07,

 

I wasn't talking about Aoki as an OF. I'm talking about him as a lead off hitter. In that regard he does it to perfection. He rarely strikes out, he gets on base at an above average clip, he does all the little things right like moving the runners over, he can hit. He's one of the top 10 leadoff hitters in all of baseball. There are teams that would kill to have that type of a player. He has more value then you are aware.

[paul253]

Based on Gallardo's stats this season, it could be AZ, but I'm not convinced the Brewers have decided to deal Yo yet either.

 

If Melvin hasn't decided if he is going to trade Yo yet he should be fired, especially if he has the opportunity to get Skaggs.

[82brewcrew11]

I have said all along that my belief is that Skaggs and Davidson would be too rich. I still think the return (should this happen) will be Skaggs, Owings, and Chafin/Holmbeg. Maybe the D'Backs feel some pressure because that sure is one tight division and they know the other teams will make some moves, particularly the Dodgers who will probably make a couple of splashy moves.

 

I'm hesitant to throw all three relievers into any deal that would not yield an extraordinary return. Skaggs/Bradley would fit but I don't see the D'Backs parting with Bradley at all. There are alternatives out there that the D'Backs can turn to if the Brewers get too pushy. Epstein is sitting out there with Garza as a big chip. the D'Backs could easily turn to that option and probably have to give up a little less. Melvin needs to be smart here.

 

I think Ramirez will have to be paired with a reliever. He is expensive and a big injury risk right now. Pairing him with something else of value seems to make the most sense in order to maximize the return.

[pogokat]

Skaggs would be great... Unfortunately, it makes too much sense to actually happen.

 

I'm starting to worry that the cubs are going to flip garza and samardjia before Melvin trades yo, however, which will negatively affect the market.

[Eye Black]

The other thing is that Ramirez actually fits them well too. Prado isn't impressing anyone and he could DH in the playoffs.

If they make the World Series. I doubt DH is high on their priority list.

[Eye Black]

I would be thrilled if the Brewers were able to land both Skaggs and Davidson. But lets assume they say no to both. I think Skaggs carries considerable value on his own and I think the Brewers should look to tack on another moderate-high upside pitcher or two in the deal. I could see something along these lines...

 

Brewers Trade: Gallardo, and pick any two bullpen arms

 

D'Backs Trade: Skaggs, and two of the following: David Holmberg, Andrew Chafin, Ben Eckels

 

This type of trade would be a big step toward filling the young pitching void in the organization, including picking up at least a couple of much needed LHP's.

[PrinceEatMeat]

http://mlb.mlblogs.com/2013/07/04/d-backs-no-interest-in-moving-skaggs/

 

Apparently the D'Backs have no interest in trading Skaggs.

[jjfanec]

Would people be willing to trade Gallardo for Skaggs straight up? I know I would but if I were Arizona there is no way I make that trade. You have a top 15 prospect and you are going to trade him for an expensive pitcher whose numbers are on the decline? Why make the trade when maybe even next year or the following Skaggs is the better pitcher at a much lower cost? They are not a team that is just built to win this year, they have a longer window

[trwi7]

Would people be willing to trade Gallardo for Skaggs straight up?

 

Yes

[jjfanec]

Would people be willing to trade Gallardo for Skaggs straight up?

 

Yes

 

Now flip the question. If you were a D-Backs fan would you make that trade? My answer is no way

 

The thought of getting Skaggs and maybe the some other talent at this deadline and then having a top 5 pick in the draft next year is pretty exciting. We have got some younger arms who look like they have potential to be solid arms but not top end guys. Skaggs and a high pick could give us some top end arms. We also need impact bats but I would settle for some top arms

[brewcrewdue80]

Would people be willing to trade Gallardo for Skaggs straight up? I know I would but if I were Arizona there is no way I make that trade. You have a top 15 prospect and you are going to trade him for an expensive pitcher whose numbers are on the decline? Why make the trade when maybe even next year or the following Skaggs is the better pitcher at a much lower cost? They are not a team that is just built to win this year, they have a longer window

 

Skaggs was top 15 to begin this season. Scouting Book has dropped him to 29th currently. His stock is falling and I'm thinking the idea is a sell high scenario on Skaggs and Buy Low scenario on Gallardo.

 

That said Arizona has stated no interest in trading Skaggs.

 

Would people be willing to trade Gallardo for Skaggs straight up?

 

Yes

 

I'm wavering my opinion on this to borderline No. I fear Skaggs with his Marcum like FB 88-90 won't hold up to #1 potential and potentially if he suffers control issues with his secondary stuff, never reach #2 levels. It's like he'd be Yovani Gallardo.

I wouldn't mind if we got him in trade, but, I wonder if taking Skaggs alone vs. Asking for Davidson/Holmberg doesn't provide more upside than Skaggs alone? If Skaggs is a #3 with 2 potential. And Holmberg is a solid #3 plus Davidson being a decent long term 3b option. Then I'd take filling 2holes for the price of 1. And I imagine the Brewers get another player in return.

[TheCrew07]

I could see where potentially AZ wouldn't want to give up more than Holmberg for Gallardo, which is fairly reasonable from a talent standpoint.

 

If Skaggs is absolutely off the table then move on, I have no interest in swapping #3s, even if the returning player will be much cheaper for years to come. We need a couple of guys with top of the rotation potential if we're going to be making moves. As much as I want a LHP and like Holmberg, he just doesn't have the upside I'm looking for.

 

At worst we need to land at least one guy with a reasonable chance to be a #2 and maybe we're bad enough that we have a chance at a quick fix impact college pitcher next year like Rodon, though I'd like to see him improve his polish significantly before jumping on him specifically. Any draft 2014 pick won't help next season, but he could be in the mix for 2015 pending innings, effectiveness, and all that good stuff.

 

We aren't going to pull a young pitcher with ace potential at the deadline, but I think there are some reasonable targets in those next 2 tiers down. If it doesn't work out, I'm okay with that too, unless that means Melvin starts buying short term solutions again this winter, at which point I'm driving down to Miller Park and giving someone a beat down to release my pent up rage.

[TheCrew07]

]I fear Skaggs with his Marcum like FB 88-90 won't hold up to #1 potential and potentially if he suffers control issues with his secondary stuff, never reach #2 levels.

 

Marcum like FB...? Where did you get that scouting report? Everything I've read this year says that he works more like Gallardo did at that age, 91-94 and topping out in the mid 90s.

 

Skaggs velocity has increased each of the last 2 seasons, he's from the some Angles draft class as Mike Trout.

 

You might be looking at a draft day report?

 

Skaggs' fastball sits in the 88-91 mph range, peaking at 92, and his four-seamer is most effective when it darts to his arm side

[Point Beer Is Best]

We aren't going to pull a young pitcher with ace potential at the deadline, but I think there are some reasonable targets in those next 2 tiers down. If it doesn't work out, I'm okay with that too, unless that means Melvin starts buying short term solutions again this winter, at which point I'm driving down to Miller Park and giving someone a beat down to release my pent up rage.

 

Are you close to Green Bay? Maybe we could carpool.

[Dollarbill13]

]I fear Skaggs with his Marcum like FB 88-90 won't hold up to #1 potential and potentially if he suffers control issues with his secondary stuff, never reach #2 levels.

 

Marcum like FB...? Where did you get that scouting report? Everything I've read this year says that he works more like Gallardo did at that age, 91-94 and topping out in the mid 90s.

 

Skaggs velocity has increased each of the last 2 seasons, he's from the some Angles draft class as Mike Trout.

 

You might be looking at a draft day report?

 

Skaggs' fastball sits in the 88-91 mph range, peaking at 92, and his four-seamer is most effective when it darts to his arm side

 

It's only 45 innings in the bigs but Pitch F/X has him at 89.4 last year and 89.8 this year.

[homer]

There's no way we get both Skaggs and Bradley for Gallardo and relievers. In fact, there's no way we're getting Bradley period.

 

 

BA has Skaggs rated ahead of Bradley.

 

I'd take any two of Skaggs, Bradley, Eaton, Holmberg, and Davidson. They won't give up Skaggs and Bradley so it'd probably be one of those two plus a position guy or Holmberg (who doesn't really excite me like the position players do).

[TheCrew07]

BA has Skaggs rated ahead of Bradley.

 

I know, I quoted their rankings earlier, and that was this off-season, I believe the mid season 50 is due next week.

 

Bradley is the superior prospect today.

[trwi7]

Would people be willing to trade Gallardo for Skaggs straight up?

 

Yes

 

Now flip the question. If you were a D-Backs fan would you make that trade? My answer is no way

 

The thought of getting Skaggs and maybe the some other talent at this deadline and then having a top 5 pick in the draft next year is pretty exciting. We have got some younger arms who look like they have potential to be solid arms but not top end guys. Skaggs and a high pick could give us some top end arms. We also need impact bats but I would settle for some top arms

 

Why would I have to flip the question? GM's make moves that fans hate all the time. It doesn't matter if 50,000 fans oppose the move if the only one that can make it is the GM. Do you think D'Backs fans were happy trading Upton and Johnson for Prado, Delgado, Spruill, Ahmed and Drury? Probably not. If it leaked out before and the fans hated it, would that change Towers' mind on the deal? Probably not.

[Bnowell4evr]

]I fear Skaggs with his Marcum like FB 88-90 won't hold up to #1 potential and potentially if he suffers control issues with his secondary stuff, never reach #2 levels.

 

Marcum like FB...? Where did you get that scouting report? Everything I've read this year says that he works more like Gallardo did at that age, 91-94 and topping out in the mid 90s.

 

Skaggs velocity has increased each of the last 2 seasons, he's from the some Angles draft class as Mike Trout.

 

You might be looking at a draft day report?

 

Skaggs' fastball sits in the 88-91 mph range, peaking at 92, and his four-seamer is most effective when it darts to his arm side

 

Fangraphs has his average FB at 89.8. That's right in line with all the other soft tossers we've masqueraded as starting pitchers the last decade under Melvin.

[Jenkins5]

#1 0% chance DBacks throw in Bradley

#2 absolutely zero chance DBacks throw in Bradley + others

 

He is one of top pitching prospects in all milb and at 20 is just carving up AA hitters. They already invested $5 million on him just to get him in the door. His ceiling surpasses any Brewer pitching prospects I can think off outside of maybe Neugenbauer (believe he was top 5 in milb) It's not like Brewers are dealing an annual Cy Young mega pitcher...Yo is very good but struggling pitcher right now. Get throwing in krod/axford/aram etc if you want to have a chance at a legit dominant Ace like Bradley

[jjfanec]

 

Why would I have to flip the question? GM's make moves that fans hate all the time. It doesn't matter if 50,000 fans oppose the move if the only one that can make it is the GM. Do you think D'Backs fans were happy trading Upton and Johnson for Prado, Delgado, Spruill, Ahmed and Drury? Probably not. If it leaked out before and the fans hated it, would that change Towers' mind on the deal? Probably not.

 

I just thought it was interesting to think about. I dont think Towers cares what a fan base thinks but if there is a deal that we think is great but isnt great for the other side maybe it isnt a realistic trade. It is like the Corey Hart or JJ Hardy for Matt Cain trade that was brought up a couple years back.

[brewcrewdue80]

I knew I read his velocity was down, I can't find it where it said 88-90 but here's a writeup on him:

Skaggs continues to be one of the best pitching prospects in baseball, however in 2013 Skaggs has taken a tiny step backwards as his FB velocity and command are both a little down compared to 2012. Skaggs uses a great 4 pitch arsenal to get batters out, a FB that sits 89-92 and can touch 94 MPH, a 72-76 MPH CB that many believe is undoubtedly the best in all of the minors, a Change up that’s about 82-84 MPH has shown real progress in 2013 and is becoming a really good pitch against RHB. While he doesn’t used it much Skaggs has shown a slider in 2013 which is just a show me pitch right now. Tyler Skaggs still looks like he will be a number 2 starter, and the floor for Skaggs is a 1st end number 3 starter.

 

And this from Prospect361.com Mid season report on prospects:

46. Tyler Skaggs (LHP)

Team: Arizona Diamondbacks, League: Pacific Coast – Triple-A

Previous Ranking: 20

 

Tyler Skaggs may be over the official limits for rookie eligibility by time served in the major leagues, but I wanted to put him in my Top 50 but with some serious reservations. On the positive, he has one of the best curve ball offerings in all of professional baseball (majors or minors). It’s flat out nasty with tremendous downward bite. When he’s on, it’s unhittable. On the negative, his fastball is below average. While the velocity averages 90.53, which is slightly above average for a lefty, the fastball has no life due do Skagg’s lack of momentum. In a word, Skaggs short-arms the ball and this lack of forward-momentum is degrading his overall stuff. While I use to think that Skaggs had a front-of-the-rotation profile, I believe his ceiling is that of a number three starter.

[sheetskout]

The other thing is that Ramirez actually fits them well too. Prado isn't impressing anyone and he could DH in the playoffs.

If they make the World Series. I doubt DH is high on their priority list.

 

Lol. Seriously?

 

(Ramirez would displace Prado in this scenario and play 3B. The ability for his bat to play DH in the playoffs is an added bonus)

[Eye Black]

The other thing is that Ramirez actually fits them well too. Prado isn't impressing anyone and he could DH in the playoffs.

If they make the World Series. I doubt DH is high on their priority list.

 

Lol. Seriously?

 

(Ramirez would displace Prado in this scenario and play 3B. The ability for his bat to play DH in the playoffs is an added bonus)

Yeah, LOL. My point was since there isn't a DH in the National League playoffs they would have to make the World Series for that to be considered an "added bonus".