6 Possible Trades to Consider

[82brewcrew11]

Lots of talk about possible chips and destinations and a few actual proposals. This is just my very under-informed wish list.

 

Arizona: Gallardo, Rodriguez, and Gindl for Skaggs, Owings, Chafin ( a lot of people think Davidson could be part of the deal as well, might take a better prospect to do that though. Something I would not be opposed to)

 

LA Dodgers: Ramirez, Heckathorn, and Cash for Pederson (Cash may not be necessary. If cash is not included then maybe a guy like Lee instead of Pederson)

 

Detroit: Axford and Kh. Davis for Castellanos and Crosby (Might be a stretch to get Castellanos and Crosby, but I think Detroit would do it.)

 

Baltimore: Weeks, Henderson, and cash for Schoop (This is the one I am most unsure of.)

 

SD: Lohse and Gonzalez for Freid and Ross (I can see SD getting a little desperate.)

 

Oakland: Gorzelanny and Lorenzo for Gray and Krol (Might be a stretch here too, but if they can find a couple of low level minor leaguers that Bean likes, it could get done)

[trwi7]

I think the last four are completely unrealistic.

[narwhalattack]

The deal with Arizona is possible, the deal with Padres has a chance of happening but the Brewers would most likely send more to get Fried and Ross. The deal with Tigers and A's are impossible. Don't know about the rest.

[nate82]

Lots of talk about possible chips and destinations and a few actual proposals. This is just my very under-informed wish list.

 

Arizona: Gallardo, Rodriguez, and Gindl for Skaggs, Owings, Chafin ( a lot of people think Davidson could be part of the deal as well, might take a better prospect to do that though. Something I would not be opposed to)

 

Possible but I believe Donaldson would be more intriguing to the Brewers than Owings and Chafin. I also don't see a spot for Gindl at all with the Dbacks so not sure why you would add him in the deal.

 

LA Dodgers: Ramirez, Heckathorn, and Cash for Pederson (Cash may not be necessary. If cash is not included then maybe a guy like Lee instead of Pederson)

 

Possible but I don't see why the Brewers would want Pederson as the Brewers already have a log jam in the OF. Lee makes more sense for the Brewers than Pederson does. The Brewers could add Weeks into this deal and then take on Ethier and Schumaker. The Brewers could then trade Ethier to the Mets for a prospect or two. Not sure who from the Mets the Brewers could get. Would probably be a 3-team trade where Ethier goes to the Mets and the Brewers get one of the prospects from the Mets and the Dodgers get the other prospect. This would be a complicated deal so I don't see it happening at all.

 

Detroit: Axford and Kh. Davis for Castellanos and Crosby (Might be a stretch to get Castellanos and Crosby, but I think Detroit would do it.)

 

Not even in the realm of possibilities.

 

Baltimore: Weeks, Henderson, and cash for Schoop (This is the one I am most unsure of.)

 

Even in bizzaro world this wouldn't happen.

 

SD: Lohse and Gonzalez for Freid and Ross (I can see SD getting a little desperate.)

 

This is an extreme overpay by the Padres and just would not happen.

 

Oakland: Gorzelanny and Lorenzo for Gray and Krol (Might be a stretch here too, but if they can find a couple of low level minor leaguers that Bean likes, it could get done)

 

How about no?

[Kelbysdaddy]

There is no way Detroit deals castellanos for axford. I like the idea of sending ax to the tigers for a guy like Jake Thompson though. That would be a fantastic return.

[PrinceFielderx1]

I don't know if Detroit needs multiple RP arms, but I'd trade Axford, Henderson and K-Rod for Castellanos. If Detroit need 2-3 really good ones this would get them to listen. I view all of our RP expendable, since we are rebuilding for 3 years down the road. We can always turn to FA this off-season of some average ones for 2014 since we wont be contending.

[Kelbysdaddy]

I think they should keep Henderson. Just sayin.

[PrinceFielderx1]

I think they should keep Henderson. Just sayin.

 

The way I see it they need to be blown away to trade Henderson. However, I do see him as tradable despite his minimum league salary. When thinking about rebuilding for three years down the road, think of it as 3 additional years of service time for Henderson, which will put him in Arbitration, where if he continues to do what he's doing he will be looking at more money than Axford's 5 million, then it will increase each year of arbitration. Based on this not one of our relievers should be safe from trading.

[trwi7]

I think they should keep Henderson. Just sayin.

 

I don't see why. He's 30, he's cheap, he's controllable, he has closer experience™. That's exactly the type of player we should be selling and trying to get good value for.

 

He's not some future building block for the team. He's an older reliever, that's not someone you hang on to if you get a good offer.

[Roderick]

He's not some future building block for the team. He's an older reliever, that's not someone you hang on to if you get a good offer.

 

But Henderson is cheap for two more years, which is more important to the Brewers than the Tigers. The Brewers should be looking to sell Ax and KRod first, unless some team wants Henderson specifically. I think most teams that are looking for bullpen help, would maybe prefer the guys that have been in the playoffs before anyways.

[TheCrew07]

If you can get an everyday position player or a starting pitcher you should trade the reliever every single time as the organization becomes stronger.

[TooLiveBrew]

He's not some future building block for the team. He's an older reliever, that's not someone you hang on to if you get a good offer.

 

But Henderson is cheap for two more years, which is more important to the Brewers than the Tigers. The Brewers should be looking to sell Ax and KRod first, unless some team wants Henderson specifically. I think most teams that are looking for bullpen help, would maybe prefer the guys that have been in the playoffs before anyways.

Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. The Tigers have some very expensive players, and perhaps adding an impact bullpen arm for pennies on the dollar would make a ton of sense for them.

 

What's important to keep in mind regarding Henerson's lack of service time is that the less service time/more team salary control he has, the more value he has in any trade.

[brewmann04]

DM just work the phones and work some Magic you have players other teams want.

[jackailius]

Ideal trades:

Diamondback Trade

Gallardo and Henderson for Skaggs

Dodgers Trade

Aram, Weeks and Axford for Ethier, Lee, Pederson, Seeger

This would offset some of the Dodgers expenses of taking on ARAM and Weeks by taking Ethier contract and hopefully allow us to get the 3 top prospects in there organization.

Tigers

Aoki, Gonzalez and KRod for Castellanos and Crosby

Mets

Ethier, random pitching prospect + $15M for Familia and Cecchini?

 

The Mets one I’m not sure about. They just seem like a team that could really use a cornerstone outfielder and have the revenue to field a larger contract but I’m just not sure we could flip without cash for upside prospects because of the Jason Bay debacle.

 

Next year would look like:

1B Hart/Morris/Halton/Gamel

2B Scooter

SS Segura

3B Castellanos

C Lucroy

LF Braun

CF Gomez

RF Schafer

SP

1 Lohse

2. Skaags

3. Peralta

4&5. Lee/Familla/Hellweg/Nelson/Estrada/Thornberg/Hand/Crosby/Burgos

You then have the rest who don’t make the rotation as possibles for the bullpen and can also add folks like Jungmann, Bradley, Fiers, Pena etc to that list of bp arms to go with Badenhop, Gorzelanny and Kinzler

Our Bench would be something like:

Gamel/Gindl/ Maldanado/Biachi

There would of course be room in payroll if you want to add that impact player or two to go with the youth of the team and 2014 would probably be rough as many of these players would take their lumps learning the league and some will strike out but introducing them all will give you a chance to really evaluate folks like Schafer and Scooter to see if they are going to stick as everyday players or is that an area you try to spend some money on. By 2015 we could really truly be back in the thick of things and by 2016 you start seeing some of the others come up and may see a move like Segura to 2nd. The possibilities become endless and boy what a turn around it could be and we could go from worst farms to one of the better farms. I would …

 

How realistic do you consider any/all these trades and our outlook moving forward? Just trying to add more debate to the group.

[vegasbrewcrew1993]

Ideal trades:

Diamondback Trade

Gallardo and Henderson for Skaggs

Dodgers Trade

Aram, Weeks and Axford for Ethier, Lee, Pederson, Seeger

This would offset some of the Dodgers expenses of taking on ARAM and Weeks by taking Ethier contract and hopefully allow us to get the 3 top prospects in there organization.

Tigers

Aoki, Gonzalez and KRod for Castellanos and Crosby

Mets

Ethier, random pitching prospect + $15M for Familia and Cecchini?

 

The Mets one I’m not sure about. They just seem like a team that could really use a cornerstone outfielder and have the revenue to field a larger contract but I’m just not sure we could flip without cash for upside prospects because of the Jason Bay debacle.

 

Next year would look like:

1B Hart/Morris/Halton/Gamel

2B Scooter

SS Segura

3B Castellanos

C Lucroy

LF Braun

CF Gomez

RF Schafer

SP

1 Lohse

2. Skaags

3. Peralta

4&5. Lee/Familla/Hellweg/Nelson/Estrada/Thornberg/Hand/Crosby/Burgos

You then have the rest who don’t make the rotation as possibles for the bullpen and can also add folks like Jungmann, Bradley, Fiers, Pena etc to that list of bp arms to go with Badenhop, Gorzelanny and Kinzler

Our Bench would be something like:

Gamel/Gindl/ Maldanado/Biachi

There would of course be room in payroll if you want to add that impact player or two to go with the youth of the team and 2014 would probably be rough as many of these players would take their lumps learning the league and some will strike out but introducing them all will give you a chance to really evaluate folks like Schafer and Scooter to see if they are going to stick as everyday players or is that an area you try to spend some money on. By 2015 we could really truly be back in the thick of things and by 2016 you start seeing some of the others come up and may see a move like Segura to 2nd. The possibilities become endless and boy what a turn around it could be and we could go from worst farms to one of the better farms. I would …

 

How realistic do you consider any/all these trades and our outlook moving forward? Just trying to add more debate to the group.

 

I like it. However, yesterday the D-Backs GM said they aren't interested in trading Skaggs. I don't think that the Crew will be able to get him. I think it would be awesome if the Brewers could get Castellanos for just K-rod, Aoki, and Gonzalez. I think that your Dodgers trade has a good chance of happening. Your scenario has the Brewers loading on good young talent. That's the direction they need to go in. I wonder if the Brewers could get Archie Bradley if they went all out and included Aramis with Gallardo, Henderson, and Axford?

[jackailius]

boy i'd love to see that trade with Arizona. I just wonder if they are in a position to add that much to their payroll between Aramis and Gallardo and to that point if they are interested in something along those lines and would be willing to give up Bradley, could we sweeten the pot by adding cash back to help pay for the increase in payroll over the next couple years and get Davidson which would free up our need to trade with Detroit for Castellanos.

[brewcrewdue80]

I just can't imagine Detroit parting with Castellanos but I do pause in that Detroit sent back Avisail Garcia to AAA. Dirks has been eh like just not good. So Detroit has a need...for a LF. Aoki plays RF, would be a move for him that I don't know how well he profiles in LF at.

 

Castellanos has also been playing LF in AAA. I actually imagine he will get called up to play LF himself vs. being traded away to get one. In Detroit's interest, showing his bat and then opening him on to the trade market in the offseason is probably best.

I just don't see him being traded, the fan page claims him to be the best hitter to come up in their minors since Cameron Maybin just before he was traded in the Miguel Cabrera deal.

 

The Dodgers deal is ridiculous! You're talking acquiring Ethier and then shipping him off to the Mets in the Offseason for prospects. Why wouldn't the Dodgers just do that themselves?

So you're essentially talking getting Lee,Pederson, And Seager plus NYM prospects out of ARam, Weeks, and Axford?

 

I can entertain the idea of ARam/Weeks/Axford and KRod for Pederson or Seager plus lower level prospects. I think Pederson is going to be a coveted guy and more or less be used in a better deal for LA or another OffSeason trade. I'm going to guess ARam/Weeks/Axford nets Seager,Reed plus some under our radar prospect.

Gotta remember, our deal that got Segura was for Grienke who was the most coveted SP at the trade deadline. It's stretching to acquire these #45-60 trio of prospects when ARam/Weeks aren't going to be all that coveted if at all by any other single team in baseball. And then also Acquiring Ethier? Who are the Brewers giving up to get him?

 

The only trade that's realistic is Gallardo for Skaggs who's taking the mound tonight vs. Colorado. So cross your fingers he looks terrible out there today like Hellweg's 1st start. That would make him more likely to be traded. But then you are acquiring a (so called elite) SP who would be sporting a 6+ERA in 10 career ML starts. Perfect conditions to see one traded away for proven talent, but one that may just showing what he's going to give you for a couple to few seasons before becoming a positive pitcher on the team.

 

If the "Dream" trade worked out exactly as planned. I'd expect Estrada traded. Hellweg/Thornburg/Hand/Burgos/Crosby/Familia to be BP guys.

Lohse, Jungmann, Skaggs,Peralta and Lee to be the rotation. Nelson #6

 

2015 World Champs!

[jackailius]

Good call brewcrewdude. I guess it was a little wishful thinking especially with ethier included. With Castellanos I guess i'm hoping they get a little nervous about his effectiveness to transition from 3rd to of and are looking for a more seasoned and , known commodity for their playoff run. I think Aoki could transition alright to LF. They may also look at the possibilities of having Aoki leadoff infront of Fielder and Cabrera.

Of course this all is "the stars align" situations but other than Ethier I actually think there would be a chance for the rest of the packages to work out.

[Kelbysdaddy]

Hey, if Detroit doesn't want Garcia- he'd be great to pick up for Frankie or ax.

[Bombers]

MLBTR says: Scouts from the Tigers, Cardinals, and Orioles were on hand for the Brewers-Mets game today, tweets MLB.com's Adam McCalvy

[TooLiveBrew]

MLBTR says: Scouts from the Tigers, Cardinals, and Orioles were on hand for the Brewers-Mets game today, tweets MLB.com's Adam McCalvy

As noted in the "Sellers at the Trade Deadline" thread, that was a tweet from McCalvy prior to Saturday's game (when Yo was on the hill), not today's.

 

Here is the link to the MLBTR piece Bombers is citing, in which MLBTR misread the date on McCalvy's tweet, leading to the confusion.

[TooLiveBrew]

I realize it's a bit of a gray area sometimes, but please try to keep these individual threads as on-topic with the original post as possible. Trying to avoid the same conversations taking place in multiple threads simultaneously.

[StearnsFTW]

Hey, if Detroit doesn't want Garcia- he'd be great to pick up for Frankie or ax.

 

I agree, but Leyland LOVES Garcia. I'd be shocked if they traded him.

[StearnsFTW]

Hey, if Detroit doesn't want Garcia- he'd be great to pick up for Frankie or ax.

 

I agree, but Leyland LOVES Garcia. I'd be shocked if they traded him.

 

 

And I'd be REALLY shocked if they traded him for a mediocre shortstop. I just don't get Detroit's thinking on that one at all.