Just for fun-- Who would you consider trading Segura for?

[PrinceFielderx1]

You are assuming HiAndTight, that I meant all of what I said as fact when I clearly said it was my opinion. Let's recap my opinions,

 

I'm assuming that the Brewers offered Segura 30 million or much less for a long term deal. I believed 40 million would have gotten him signed. He wasn't signed, so I suspect the offer wasn't big enough to entice Segura and his agent to sign it. There's space here to assume that the Brewers thought they could get a steal by offering anywhere from 15-30 million for greater than 5 years. Using the Escobar deal as a comparison.

 

I do believe that Segura will do better than Castro's first 2 seasons and therefore will eclipse his 60 million contact. That's pretty logical to assume. Waiting and being patient will costs lots of money. His agent could have very well said let's wait and talk about extension after next season. If that's the case then the Brewers potentially really messed up.

 

I did say extremely early this season on this site to extend Segura long term. It's not up for debate. I even wondered if he could be had for an escobar type contract, but then backed off of that after a couple weeks into the season when I realized he was potentially much better than Escobar, then switched to 40 million.

 

I'm extremely skeptical in how the Brewers handled this, because I believe he could have been signed, but see he wasn't. Now knowing what he's likely going to command in a long term deal after the season he's having, this could potentially be viewed as a big mistake by the Brewers.

[PrinceFielderx1]

I wouldn't trade Segura for anybody. Not even Trout. A 23 year old SS with power to is a hitting machine who plays plus defense. There's no one I'd trade him for.

 

This is the correct answer. Segura may not be as good as Ryan Braun, but he is equally as valuable at this point due to how cheap he is going to be and how long we have him under control. No number of unproven prospects would make me want to part with him. He is proven and he's going to be very good the next six years.

 

 

 

You do realize that Braun's best major league season doesn't even approach Trout's rookie season?

That Trout is no a rookie? He is not a prospect?

That he's a once in a generation type player who has a 4.2 WAR and is YOUNGER than Segura?

 

And Segura might not be as good as Ryan Braun. He might be as good as Ryan Braun. I don't know. But I do know that based on what Mike Trout has shown thus far, he IS better than Braun AND Segura and younger than both.

 

So while I love the kid, he's not "proven." Posting a 10.4 WAR as a 21 year old rookie and coming back after struggling and leading the league again the next year in WAR is a lot more "proven," than 70-some games of Segura.

 

 

I don't want to be put in a position to argue against Segura here because it's just incredible to hit on a player like we did with Segura, but saying you wouldn't trade him for Trout, "or any number of unproven prospects," is silly.

 

What if the Pirates came and offered us Cole, Tallion, Marte, and Josh Bell? Obviously that's a ridiculous suggestion as the Pirates would NEVER make such an asinine trade, but just blindly saying, "you can't trade a guy 3 months into his first true big league career for prospects because they're unproven," is absurd.

 

Trout doesn't play the most premium position on the field which happens to be SS. Don't overlook something that important. Considering what we have in Gomez in CF it's even more logical to rather have Segura instead of anybody else, trout included.

 

I view Segura greater than I view Trout. Segura also has the speed edge.

[TheCrew07]

Trout doesn't play the most premium position on the field which happens to be SS. Don't overlook something that important.

 

There's very little value difference between the SS and CF positions. It's like we're talking about a corner OF vs a SS.

 

I'm not going to repeat all of my previous arguments about trading established veterans for pitching, especially if we won't be competitive with the position player when we have him under contract.

 

Prior to the Greinke trade Gomez wasn't even our CF of the future, that was Lo Cain, Gomez had played himself out of that role. Anything can happen in 2-3 years, we need impact pitching more than we need another impact bat in the line-up.

 

Hopefully Gomez isn't hurt too bad because if he is we're rapidly running out of trade chips that will net any kind of impact pitching.

 

edit. For what it's worth I'd trade Segura for Skaggs/Bradley/Matt Davidson/Didi Gregorius or similar package.

[PrinceFielderx1]

That's true, Thecrew. However, I view SS as the most premium position on the field.

[Dollarbill13]

The only two position players I'd trade him for are Harper and Trout since I think they are future hall of famers. Segura is a great player but I think he'll end up just a bit below them. There's a ton of impact pitching with ~1 or fewer years of MLB experience. Shelby Miller or Harvey would be pretty close and some of the top 15-ish prospects that haven't had much MLB experience would require a bit more.

 

The only way I could conceivably see a trade involving Segura happen, though is if we had another near-ready SS and were trading Segura to a team with a black hole at SS and SP (or possibly 3B/1B) depth for a young star at that position.

[sheetskout]

You wanna package Xander Boegarts and Matt Barnes/Anthony Ranaudo for Segura and I may be obliged. Other than that....there's only a handful of players I would target for Segura:

 

Gerrit Cole

Shelby Miller

Matt Moore

Taijuan Walker

Jameson Taillion

[danzig6767]

We finally have a SS, no way do I want to trade him!!!

 

Crazy talk.

 

Did you not even read the thread title or post where i said just for fun and that i wasn't really looking to see Segura shopped?

 

I simply wanted to see if others here viewed Jean as valuable as i did to where i literally couldn't think of many players in all of baseball that i'd trade him for if hypothetically i could trade him straight up for any single player. Not more to it than that.

[gregmag]

There's no one in baseball who's older than Segura for whom I would trade him, based on both potential and contract status. I would hesitate to trade him straight up for any pitcher, because I worry more about young pitchers' tendencies to flame out.

 

I would trade him for Trout or Harper in a heartbeat. Hell, I'd throw in just about anyone else we have. What those guys are doing at their age is historic. What Segura is doing is merely great.

[NievesNoNO]

Harper, Trout, Harvey, Jose Fernandez, Machado, maybe Matt Moore.....

 

I actually wouldn't be opposed to finding out what other teams would give for him. He might be the best trade chip they have this off-season to improve the pitching.