Just for fun-- Who would you consider trading Segura for?

[danzig6767]

I by no means post this wanting the Brewers to shop or trade Segura. Watching him this year, i really am blown away at just how good he is in nearly every facet of the game besides not drawing more walks and he's only a 23 year old rookie. He literally has every tool you'd want from a young shortstop. Great range. Great arm. Speed. Power. Hits for average. Sprays hits all over the field. Instincts. A fabulous attitude.

 

In a thread though on the major league forum, someone asked another poster if he'd trade Segura for Shelby Miller. That got me to thinking if you took everything into account from age, upside, service time, and contract status, and i hypothetically could trade Jean one for one for any player in baseball be it a major league player or prospect, which guys would i

 

1. For sure trade Segura for

 

2. At least have to give it real thought

 

Thinking about it, the only guy i could come up with that i without question would trade Segura for was Trout.

 

In the i'd have to at the very least think about it tier, i came up with Bryce Harper, Shelby Miller, and Matt Harvey. The injury factor being higher with pitchers though over an extended number of years and preferring 162 games of Segura at shortstop over 30 starts by a pitcher would make me pass on any pitcher. Yasiel Puig looks like he can be a stud and has a team friendly 7 year contract, but he's a corner outfielder and i'm leery a bit about Cuban players being truthful about their real age.

 

Do some here think i'm i overrating Segura and/or missing guys, thus their list would be longer of players they'd trade him straight up for with age, upside, service time, and contract status all factored in?

[brewcrewdue80]

Danzig, you probably hit on it as far as valuing Segura.

If strictly on a one for one trade. I'd take nobody over Segura. How can anyone not want a top notch SS? When it comes to overall value I'd probably place SS/CF and SP in that order of the highest upside I would want to build my team. So Segura being of the utmost highest upside at SS, frankly makes him the most valuable player out there.

I will say a guy that makes me think based on how he's begun his career is Yasiel Puig. But I don't think he's an everyday CF. But what that guy has done thus far is definitely as impressive as Segura.

 

I think you could make a case for Jose Fernandez after his beginning if you seek a SP along with Harvey and Miller.

But really 1 for 1, nobody out there at this moment strikes me worthy to trade for, for Segura.

[danzig6767]

I don't know brewcrewdue, i'd have a hard time passing on Mike Trout for Segura, even though we have Gomez and no shortstop ready in the minors.

 

Either way, thinking about the fact that the Brewers got guy who legitimately is one of the most valuable overall assets in baseball for a three month rental is still pretty amazing. For all of the justified talk about his hitting, his defense IMO deserves almost as much hype. The range he shows sometimes blows me away. He'll regularly get to balls i initially think is a hit for sure and then throw a bullet to get an out.

[brewcrewdue80]

You're right Danzig when it comes to Trout, Didn't know he'd heated up back towards last season's pace (slightly off) I do think long term Segura will continue with the SBs, whereas Trout over a period of time loses that factor. Not saying he can't do it, but I think his body frame fills out to where the club doesn't ask him to do as much. Still, either way, putting SS higher in my list of importance, I'd think about it rather than just do it.

I guess the thing here is, Trout's year was so strong last season, it's hard to fathom him improving on it by much. Segura meanwhile has growth yet I believe especially when showing off the power already this season. Which is better? a 30/30 guy in CF with a .400ish OB? Or a 25/40 guy at SS with a .360OB?

 

There is Manny Machado we failed to mention. He's behind both Trout/Segura in HRs/SBs but still the man is raking. 33Dbls already this season. You gotta figure a number of those turn to HRs in a year or two.

[3and2Fastball]

I would trade Segura straight up for Matt Harvey or Shelby Miller. While I greatly value SS, I would even more value 5 years of top-flight pitching.

 

I would consider Clayton Kershaw that type of top-quality pitcher too, but he'll be a free agent in 2015, and 5 years of Segura is worth much more than 1.5 years for Kershaw

 

I would not take Trout for Segura straight up.

 

Other players I would take for Segura:

 

Miguel Cabrera --- even though it'd be just 2.5 years of Cabrera, he is simply that good. Playing in Miller Park he'd probably average 50 HR's a season while batting .360+

 

Troy Tulowitzki (yes despite being injury prone, I think he's better than Segura and is signed up to 2020 or so). I'd be a little concerned about Tulo's .825 Away OPS vs .936 Home OPS, but he is signed through 2020

 

Yadier Molina - even though he's 30 years old, he's an incredible talent and leader and I value an elite level catcher over a SS. Signed through 2017 with a club option for 2018. Plus we could get plenty back for Lucroy in this scenario

 

Joey Votto - again, he's 29, and that ain't a team friendly contract, but I'd have to at least consider taking it on. a .420+ OBP ain't easy to find

[3and2Fastball]

As great as Segura has been, it has just been 70 games. Can he keep up this pace? Probably not likely. How far off this pace will he fall? Probably not too far. But his OBP is only 36 points above his BA. If he was hitting .274 a .310 OBP would be a little ugly

 

Don't get me wrong, Segura is an extremely fun player to watch and quickly becoming one of my favorites too, but I would take Miguel Cabrera for him in a heartbeat

[Invader3K]

Don't get me wrong, Segura is an extremely fun player to watch and quickly becoming one of my favorites too, but I would take Miguel Cabrera for him in a heartbeat

 

I think you need to look at Miguel Cabrera's age and contract before saying this.

[82brewcrew11]

I'd have to through Cole into the that group with Miller, Fernandez, and Harvey.

[3and2Fastball]

Don't get me wrong, Segura is an extremely fun player to watch and quickly becoming one of my favorites too, but I would take Miguel Cabrera for him in a heartbeat

 

I think you need to look at Miguel Cabrera's age and contract before saying this.

 

I did. And went back and looked again. 30 years old. $21 million a year. Age 31 season in 2014, age 32 season in 2015. Free agent in 2016. He's one of the all-time greatest hitters. A twice in a generation hitter (Pujols). A 8-10 WAR guy. Absolutely I'd take on that contract for 2 full seasons and do everything I could to build a World Series contender around Braun & Cabrera

[Bnowell4evr]

Xander Bogaerts

Matt Barnes

Anthony Ranaudo

Garin Cecchini

 

That sounds fair to me.

[HiAndTight]

Don't get me wrong, Segura is an extremely fun player to watch and quickly becoming one of my favorites too, but I would take Miguel Cabrera for him in a heartbeat

 

I think you need to look at Miguel Cabrera's age and contract before saying this.

 

I did. And went back and looked again. 30 years old. $21 million a year. Age 31 season in 2014, age 32 season in 2015. Free agent in 2016. He's one of the all-time greatest hitters. A twice in a generation hitter (Pujols). A 8-10 WAR guy. Absolutely I'd take on that contract for 2 full seasons and do everything I could to build a World Series contender around Braun & Cabrera

 

 

Actually, no, he isn't a 8-10 WAR a year guy. That was Mike Trout last year, the 21 year old rookie superstar CF'er. He's in fact never had a 7 WAR season.

 

 

Jean Segura 3.5 WAR 72 games into his age 23 season.

 

So yeah, Miggy's a HOF'er, a great player. But why in building a team would you rather have a couple years of him, AND you know you won't be able to extend him like we likely will Segura for the long term so it's likely something like 8 years 55 million of Segura who's on pace to put up a higher WAR than Cabrera EVER has by a significant margin or 41 million dollars for a guy that's going to likely demand a contract that pays him 25+ million dollars into his 40's when his deal is up.

 

 

I get the appeal of having a guy who's career numbers are eye popping and he's coming off a triple crown, but in practical terms, give me the youth.

 

 

The players I'd consider;

Pitchers

Matt Harvey

Matt Moore

Gerrit Cole

(Shelby Miller is good, but just below my criteria)

 

Offensive players

Jurickson Profar-I think he ends up actually having some 8+ WAR seasons.

Mike Trout-We all know how talented he is.

Bryce Harper-I think some of the shine has unfairly been lost on him.

Buster Posey-Just great player.

 

 

Lot of great players. So again, while I understand the admiration of Cabrera, I can't fathom the Brewers in the situation, no way would I give up a 23 year old on pace to have a better year according to WAR than he's ever had(though I don't think he'll keep up the pace, nor do I think WAR is the ultimate stat).

 

 

-I forgot Machado. He's obviously on the list IMO.

[PrinceFielderx1]

I wouldn't trade Segura for anybody. Not even Trout. A 23 year old SS with power to is a hitting machine who plays plus defense. There's no one I'd trade him for.

[chickinbrickin]

I think the angels would laugh at talks of trout for segura. Sky is the limit for trout where I think we are watching seguras best. While his minors numbers were good they don't support him keeping up this peace.

 

I hope I am completely wrong. I want segura to be one of the all-time greats. I would have a hard time passing on trout, Harper, or Harvey.

[vegasbrewcrew1993]

Negotiations would have to start with Matt Harvey. I would want Harvery plus another prospect or two. Segura is that damn good. He can hit, he can run, he throw, he's got range. An elite SS that can do everything is probably the most valuable hitter on your roster. No thanks to Mike Trout, Bryce Harper, lol Buster Posey, Molina, Tulo, or Cabrera. Only way I would give up Segura is if I get young pitching in return. Hell if I was Melvin I'd be talking to Segura's agent right now about a contract extension.

[PrinceFielderx1]

Vegas,

 

The Brewers approached Segura with an extension months ago and his agent decided to wait, which was a smart move. I have my doubts on the offer that was made that it was big enough. Something tells me it was lowballed in the 30 million range or possibly much less. When you offer a contract extension to a SS who you know is going to be really good this early in his career, you got to be serious in your offer and make a decision to over pay some, and hope to be surprised in the production later.

 

Now the Brewers if they approach Segura's agent with an extension again, it will likely be in the 60 million range.

[HiAndTight]

Vegas,

 

The Brewers approached Segura with an extension months ago and his agent decided to wait, which was a smart move. I have my doubts on the offer that was made that it was big enough. Something tells me it was lowballed in the 30 million range or possibly much less. When you offer a contract extension to a SS who you know is going to be really good this early in his career, you got to be serious in your offer and make a decision to over pay some, and hope to be surprised in the production later.

 

Now the Brewers if they approach Segura's agent with an extension again, it will likely be in the 60 million range.

 

 

"Lowballed?"

 

It's tough to "lowball," a guy who's played a couple weeks in the big leagues if you are indeed correct and it was a couple months ago. I thought it was about a month ago.

 

There have been two players signed to contracts before one year of service time, Longoria and then Perez I believe from KC. Braun was 1.001....

 

 

I remember suggesting a Segura extension about two months ago before it had come up on here and everyone thought it was crazy and there were of course the obvious, "small sample size," comments. That said, I don't know where you're getting the part that I put in bold. There is just absolutely no basis for that. Again, we're not yet 3 months into the season. While I wanted the Brewers to lock him up long term 2 months ago, you were suggesting they do so after a couple weeks in the majors in which he was playing well at the age of 23. So where do you get this notion that the BREWERS are the ones who should be expected to "overpay?" That's just ridiculous IMO.

 

Segura could be having a career year. I don't know, maybe he gets better. He could get hurt. He could add weight and end up as a second basemen.

 

Of the two sides that's going to give here it's GOING to be Segura's side. That's kinda the point. He signs for 8 years and 40 million and never has to worry about money again and then still has a chance for the big time payday.

 

Also, when you "guess," it was for 30 million...for what period of time?

 

I just don't see how you possibly come out of this and try to assign ANY blame whatsoever to the Brewers for lowballing anyone or waiting too long. It's ridiculous. And again, I started a thread about this very topic in April so I agree they should have signed him. But the other side has to be willing to sign it, and the last thing Segura's agent said was they were trying to determine his value.

[HiAndTight]

I think the angels would laugh at talks of trout for segura. Sky is the limit for trout where I think we are watching seguras best. While his minors numbers were good they don't support him keeping up this peace.

 

I hope I am completely wrong. I want segura to be one of the all-time greats. I would have a hard time passing on trout, Harper, or Harvey.

 

 

Given what we've seen from Segura, Hellweg and Pena, I would have guessed the Angels would have laughed at the idea of a couple months of Greinke for those three.

 

That said, Trout is a freak.

 

 

Both teams are likely just happy to hang onto each player for themselves....though all things considered, I think it's more likely we're able to sign Segura and buy out a couple FA years than the Angels will Trout.

[PrinceFielderx1]

Vegas,

 

The Brewers approached Segura with an extension months ago and his agent decided to wait, which was a smart move. I have my doubts on the offer that was made that it was big enough. Something tells me it was lowballed in the 30 million range or possibly much less. When you offer a contract extension to a SS who you know is going to be really good this early in his career, you got to be serious in your offer and make a decision to over pay some, and hope to be surprised in the production later.

 

Now the Brewers if they approach Segura's agent with an extension again, it will likely be in the 60 million range.

 

 

"Lowballed?"

 

It's tough to "lowball," a guy who's played a couple weeks in the big leagues if you are indeed correct and it was a couple months ago. I thought it was about a month ago.

 

There have been two players signed to contracts before one year of service time, Longoria and then Perez I believe from KC. Braun was 1.001....

 

 

I remember suggesting a Segura extension about two months ago before it had come up on here and everyone thought it was crazy and there were of course the obvious, "small sample size," comments. That said, I don't know where you're getting the part that I put in bold. There is just absolutely no basis for that. Again, we're not yet 3 months into the season. While I wanted the Brewers to lock him up long term 2 months ago, you were suggesting they do so after a couple weeks in the majors in which he was playing well at the age of 23. So where do you get this notion that the BREWERS are the ones who should be expected to "overpay?" That's just ridiculous IMO.

 

Segura could be having a career year. I don't know, maybe he gets better. He could get hurt. He could add weight and end up as a second basemen.

 

Of the two sides that's going to give here it's GOING to be Segura's side. That's kinda the point. He signs for 8 years and 40 million and never has to worry about money again and then still has a chance for the big time payday.

 

Also, when you "guess," it was for 30 million...for what period of time?

 

I just don't see how you possibly come out of this and try to assign ANY blame whatsoever to the Brewers for lowballing anyone or waiting too long. It's ridiculous. And again, I started a thread about this very topic in April so I agree they should have signed him. But the other side has to be willing to sign it, and the last thing Segura's agent said was they were trying to determine his value.

 

 

Yes, lowballed. I said before we even knew what we had in Segura that a long term extension in the 40+ million range would be sufficient and might get it done should his agent decide "not" to wait. What's funny is that the Brewers also knew what they had in Segura and was basically reading my mind. The question is was there offer high enough? I have my doubts.

 

By the way to answer your "overpay" question, it's really simple. When you offer a player who plays a premium position a long term deal with hardly any service time (pre-arby), you better be serious about it. No matter what, technically it will be considered an overpay, because of how little service time he has and compared to money committed, but a talent like Segura which I knew from his first AB how good he truly was, you better make the offer so good he doesn't want to even think about it. That didn't happen. I'm skeptical in how the Brewers handled this, and I believe if there offer was serious he would be signed right now. That's my opinion and nothing more.

[vegasbrewcrew1993]

Vegas,

 

The Brewers approached Segura with an extension months ago and his agent decided to wait, which was a smart move. I have my doubts on the offer that was made that it was big enough. Something tells me it was lowballed in the 30 million range or possibly much less. When you offer a contract extension to a SS who you know is going to be really good this early in his career, you got to be serious in your offer and make a decision to over pay some, and hope to be surprised in the production later.

 

Now the Brewers if they approach Segura's agent with an extension again, it will likely be in the 60 million range.

 

If true then it's a smart risky move by his agent. The Brewers have to take a risk and ''overpay'' for Segura now before his play is ''worth'' $70 million to $100 million. The Brewers took a risk on Braun and it paid off. The team has the best player in the game signed for well below market value. If Segura is going to be as good as I think he will be, he's going to ask for big time money soon. Take a gamble while he's still affordable and lock him up. If you have to give him 60 to 70 million than so be it. Those are the kind of moves a small market team has to make to keep their young talented players.

[TURBO]

We finally have a SS, no way do I want to trade him!!!

 

Crazy talk.

[PrinceFielderx1]

Vegas,

 

The Brewers approached Segura with an extension months ago and his agent decided to wait, which was a smart move. I have my doubts on the offer that was made that it was big enough. Something tells me it was lowballed in the 30 million range or possibly much less. When you offer a contract extension to a SS who you know is going to be really good this early in his career, you got to be serious in your offer and make a decision to over pay some, and hope to be surprised in the production later.

 

Now the Brewers if they approach Segura's agent with an extension again, it will likely be in the 60 million range.

 

If true then it's a smart risky move by his agent. The Brewers have to take a risk and ''overpay'' for Segura now before his play is ''worth'' $70 million to $100 million. The Brewers took a risk on Braun and it paid off. The team has the best player in the game signed for well below market value. If Segura is going to be as good as I think he will be, he's going to ask for big time money soon. Take a gamble while he's still affordable and lock him up. If you have to give him 60 to 70 million than so be it. Those are the kind of moves a small market team has to make to keep their young talented players.

 

It was an extremely smart move by his agent. Segura made a good hire. I agree that Segura's asking price is just going up and up right now. I think it's at 60 million right now. Castro money, and should this drag on longer than this season, and should Segura have another good year next season he will surpass the deal Castro got, and then some. Get it done ASAP if his agent is willing to talk. Hopefully they didn't lose that opportunity.

[chadomac]

I wouldn't trade Segura for anybody. Not even Trout. A 23 year old SS with power to is a hitting machine who plays plus defense. There's no one I'd trade him for.

 

This is the correct answer. Segura may not be as good as Ryan Braun, but he is equally as valuable at this point due to how cheap he is going to be and how long we have him under control. No number of unproven prospects would make me want to part with him. He is proven and he's going to be very good the next six years.

[HiAndTight]

Vegas,

 

The Brewers approached Segura with an extension months ago and his agent decided to wait, which was a smart move. I have my doubts on the offer that was made that it was big enough. Something tells me it was lowballed in the 30 million range or possibly much less. When you offer a contract extension to a SS who you know is going to be really good this early in his career, you got to be serious in your offer and make a decision to over pay some, and hope to be surprised in the production later.

 

Now the Brewers if they approach Segura's agent with an extension again, it will likely be in the 60 million range.

 

 

"Lowballed?"

 

It's tough to "lowball," a guy who's played a couple weeks in the big leagues if you are indeed correct and it was a couple months ago. I thought it was about a month ago.

 

There have been two players signed to contracts before one year of service time, Longoria and then Perez I believe from KC. Braun was 1.001....

 

 

I remember suggesting a Segura extension about two months ago before it had come up on here and everyone thought it was crazy and there were of course the obvious, "small sample size," comments. That said, I don't know where you're getting the part that I put in bold. There is just absolutely no basis for that. Again, we're not yet 3 months into the season. While I wanted the Brewers to lock him up long term 2 months ago, you were suggesting they do so after a couple weeks in the majors in which he was playing well at the age of 23. So where do you get this notion that the BREWERS are the ones who should be expected to "overpay?" That's just ridiculous IMO.

 

Segura could be having a career year. I don't know, maybe he gets better. He could get hurt. He could add weight and end up as a second basemen.

 

Of the two sides that's going to give here it's GOING to be Segura's side. That's kinda the point. He signs for 8 years and 40 million and never has to worry about money again and then still has a chance for the big time payday.

 

Also, when you "guess," it was for 30 million...for what period of time?

 

I just don't see how you possibly come out of this and try to assign ANY blame whatsoever to the Brewers for lowballing anyone or waiting too long. It's ridiculous. And again, I started a thread about this very topic in April so I agree they should have signed him. But the other side has to be willing to sign it, and the last thing Segura's agent said was they were trying to determine his value.

 

 

Yes, lowballed. I said before we even knew what we had in Segura that a long term extension in the 40+ million range would be sufficient and might get it done should his agent decide "not" to wait. What's funny is that the Brewers also knew what they had in Segura and was basically reading my mind. The question is was there offer high enough? I have my doubts.

 

By the way to answer your "overpay" question, it's really simple. When you offer a player who plays a premium position a long term deal with hardly any service time (pre-arby), you better be serious about it. No matter what, technically it will be considered an overpay, because of how little service time he has and compared to money committed, but a talent like Segura which I knew from his first AB how good he truly was, you better make the offer so good he doesn't want to even think about it. That didn't happen. I'm skeptical in how the Brewers handled this, and I believe if there offer was serious he would be signed right now. That's my opinion and nothing more.

 

 

So just to make sure I have this straight;

 

1-Before we even knew how good Segura was, you thought we should sign this guy who had played a handful of games above AA and only a year at SS to a long term deal;

2-You somehow have knowledge of what the Brewers offered(and again, you continue to throw out this number 30 million dollars....without any hint as to how that contract would be structured. 30 million dollars to buy out 5 years of free agency? 30 million dollars guaranteed while he's under team control and then 2-3 years of team options? (which in whatever the hesitation is right now in the Segura camp is almost certainly where the hesitance comes from and by the way, they have hardly said no).

3-When you say, " When you offer a player who plays a premium position a long term deal with hardly any service time (pre-arby), you better be serious about it." AGAIN, who are you to say they weren't?

 

Not to mention, you act as if this is standard baseball protocol. This has happened two times EVER. Longoria was signed about a week or two into his big league career and the OTHER, Salvador Perez they signed to an 8 year deal with 5 years and 17.5 million dollars guaranteed and 3 option years for the TEAM.

 

 

I'd like to re-iterate, I was on here a couple weeks into the season arguing FOR a Segura extension if he was willing, but you're making all these assumptions, and you're trying to use past contracts to make your case and they simply do not exist. You continue to throw out 30 million dollars without even a hint as to how that contract would be structured, and then you throw out this notion that now they'll have to pay him 60 million dollars.

 

You DO realize we signed Braun further along into his career than Segura's at, correct? And he was coming off an absolutely historic offensive season. AND that Segura's camp has in no way shut down contract talks? And that we have until the 2019 season to find another SS in the event that we DON'T get a couple of Segura's FA years?

 

 

With ALMOST no information out there other than they're talking THIS early, which again, would be only the third time it's EVER happened, and if you look at the previous two, 30 million guaranteed with team options(assuming it was for the 8 years each signed for) it's STILL higher.

 

So in order to say the Brewers bungled this is to basically just say you have no confidence in the Brewers whatsoever in dealing with and signing young players, which frankly is NOT supported by their recent history.

 

And with all due respect, I have to roll my eyes when you claim that you could tell from his first AB with the Brewers that he was worth this type of historic contract. There were a LOT of questions. Would he be able to hit big league pitching after being rushed through the minors and moving from 2nd to SS? How good would he be? Again, I started a thread a couple weeks into April about locking him up long term and that was after he showed he has all the tools to play. He didn't show that in his first showing in Milwaukee. Not by a longshot.

 

My guess is the Brewers still end up extending him since I haven't read comments from either side that would suggest he's "priced himself out of Milwaukee." Though again, it's difficult to even discuss extension perimeters when you fail to mention anything other than just a dollar amount.

 

I would assume the Brewers approached Segura and NEGOTIATED...Segura's agent likely wants fewer FA years in the deal and that he still has 5.5 years in Milwaukee gives me confidence the Brewers will get something done.

 

 

One last thing, using this logic, you'd have been all for locking up Willy Peralta and Mike Fiers last year after their dazzling starts to their big year careers. I doubt Segura's going to be a 8 WAR SS year in and year out as he's on pace to do right now. He'll go through struggles and the Brewers still hold the cards. So in MY opinion, there just isn't ANY evidence that the Brewers have handled this poorly.

We're not just talking about a guy still in his pre-arby years, but in his FIRST arby year.

 

A little patience here and a little perspective might help here.

[HiAndTight]

I wouldn't trade Segura for anybody. Not even Trout. A 23 year old SS with power to is a hitting machine who plays plus defense. There's no one I'd trade him for.

 

This is the correct answer. Segura may not be as good as Ryan Braun, but he is equally as valuable at this point due to how cheap he is going to be and how long we have him under control. No number of unproven prospects would make me want to part with him. He is proven and he's going to be very good the next six years.

 

 

 

You do realize that Braun's best major league season doesn't even approach Trout's rookie season?

That Trout is no a rookie? He is not a prospect?

That he's a once in a generation type player who has a 4.2 WAR and is YOUNGER than Segura?

 

And Segura might not be as good as Ryan Braun. He might be as good as Ryan Braun. I don't know. But I do know that based on what Mike Trout has shown thus far, he IS better than Braun AND Segura and younger than both.

 

So while I love the kid, he's not "proven." Posting a 10.4 WAR as a 21 year old rookie and coming back after struggling and leading the league again the next year in WAR is a lot more "proven," than 70-some games of Segura.

 

 

I don't want to be put in a position to argue against Segura here because it's just incredible to hit on a player like we did with Segura, but saying you wouldn't trade him for Trout, "or any number of unproven prospects," is silly.

 

What if the Pirates came and offered us Cole, Tallion, Marte, and Josh Bell? Obviously that's a ridiculous suggestion as the Pirates would NEVER make such an asinine trade, but just blindly saying, "you can't trade a guy 3 months into his first true big league career for prospects because they're unproven," is absurd.

[brewcrewdue80]

For current purposes, I wouldn't trade Segura away just on the fact there's no one remotely close to play SS on this team in replacement of Segura.

Couple other names that may warrant mentioning in this hypothetical scenario. Chris Davis or Paul Goldschmidt.

But again, there's just no SS for this team moving Segura and that is why I'll take Segura over Trout.

Hitting SS with great D as Segura don't grow on trees.

Put it this way. Where does Segura rank at SS today in all of Baseball? Troy Tulowitzki and? I think it stops after him only.

I think only Ian Desmond can be brought in to the conversation with Tulo and Segura.

When we talk CF and who's the Best. You may put Trout 1st others may go McCutchen or Adam Jones and Gomez is in the conversation at this point. Trout's tier in ability isn't as far separated as Segura's is to the competition at their respective positions.