2013 Draft Pick Discussion, Rounds 6-20

[splitterpfj]

Ryan Yarbrough, Round 20, will return to school.

[narwhalattack]

So after signing Devin Williams the Brewers have spent a total of a little over $3.5mil, I think. I wonder how much it'll take to sign Denson. Perhaps $300,000 would be enough?

[Mass Haas]

Looks like the 15th round power man has been signed!

[narwhalattack]

Looks like the 15th round power man has been signed!

 

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Funketown]

Hobbs Johnson starting for Carolina tomorrow vs. NCSU in an elimination game at 7 central.

[brwrsfan]

Hobbs looked very, very good tonight against NC State. At the same time, watching Rodon really makes me sad. What would our system look like with him in it?

 

Hobbs went 8 1/3, 0 runs, 5 hits, 2 BB and 6 K.

 

Anyone have any thoughts on Hobbs? Do we have enough left to sign him? is he worth it?

[splitterpfj]

Garrett Cooper homered on the first pitch he saw as a pro, he hit the RF foul pole.

 

brwrsfan, I'm sure the team intends to sign Johnson if they can, he's definitely worth having, but I have no idea if they have the cash for it.

[splitterpfj]

Garrett Cooper with two homers in his pro debut...get him to Milwaukee!

[TheCrew07]

Hobbs looked very, very good tonight against NC State. At the same time, watching Rodon really makes me sad. What would our system look like with him in it?

 

Hobbs went 8 1/3, 0 runs, 5 hits, 2 BB and 6 K.

 

Anyone have any thoughts on Hobbs? Do we have enough left to sign him? is he worth it?

 

132 pitches, mostly FBs... gotta love college coaches.

[TooLiveBrew]

Hobbs looked very, very good tonight against NC State. At the same time, watching Rodon really makes me sad. What would our system look like with him in it?

 

Hobbs went 8 1/3, 0 runs, 5 hits, 2 BB and 6 K.

 

Anyone have any thoughts on Hobbs? Do we have enough left to sign him? is he worth it?

 

132 pitches, mostly FBs... gotta love college coaches.

[Funketown]

Mike Fox has done an incredible job with UNC's baseball program since his arrival (UNC only appeared in 4 CWS before 2006; they've been in six of the past eight). But I just don't see the point of leaving Johnson out there in a blowout. He was only at I think 110 pitches or so when they took the 6-0 lead. I'm sure the kid had his adrenaline pumping and wanted to get back out there, but the game was in the bag at that point. Same thing goes for Rodon in the first UNC-NCSU game, he threw 110 pitches despite the game being over by the end of the 6th inning or so.

 

I honestly have no idea how college players hit eight HR's off Carlos Rodon this season. I'm already excited for his trip to Chapel Hill next season!

[brewmann04]

will Todon be the codidered the #1 pick for 2014?

[TheCrew07]

will Todon be the codidered the #1 pick for 2014?

 

Brother you might be only the person on the forum with more misspellings and missed words than I have in my posts. I haven't come up with a good way of avoiding the skipped words, even though I usually proof read every post before I drop it, but a simple browser alternative like Mozilla Firefox has a built in spell check feature. Just click the free download link.

 

Google Chrome and Apple Safari also have built in spell check features.

 

If you prefer using Internet Explorer there are a couple of well known browser extensions that will add a spell check feature as well: Iespell and IE7Pro.

 

As to your question, yes I think Rodon will be in consideration for the first pick, it will depend on how dominant he is next year but I'd peg him as the early favorite.

[brewmann04]

your right have to stop using my i phone

[splitterpfj]

Corey Miller, Round 16, is pitching for the Orleans Firebirds, in the Cape Cod League.

[sfl2hnq17]

I'm hoping the Brewers can get Seidenberger and Miller signed and we can call it a pretty successful haul, in my opinion.

[splitterpfj]

Hobbs Johnson, Round 14, has signed.

[Mass Haas]

NOTE: I've been trying to clear my Saturday evening schedule for some time now to say hello to Corey Miller as his club visits Wareham, the closest of the Cape League sites to my home (about 30 miles). Unfortunately, a family conflict will probably keep that from happening, we'll see.

 

But this article is timely and informative. Nice job, Jen McCaffrey, doing excellent work from the Cape with nearly 38,000 Twitter followers.

 

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Rules leave little room to negotiate

By JEN McCAFFREY, CapeCodOnline.com

 

Pepperdine junior right-handed starter Corey Miller got the call he'd been waiting for his whole life about one month ago.

 

It was from the Milwaukee Brewers on the third day of the MLB First-Year Player Draft. They had chosen him with pick No. 482, in the 16th round.

 

The Waves starter had never been drafted and entered into negotiations with Milwaukee, but couldn't come to an agreement right away.

 

"So I figured I'd come out here, keep my arm fresh, get the whole Cape experience and have fun while this whole process is going on," said Miller, who's pitching for the Orleans Firebirds.

 

Miller is just one of 1,216 players chosen in the draft last month, but he represents a handful of players on the Cape this summer still in the midst of working out a professional deal.

 

The deadline to sign is next Friday.

 

Last year's draft was the first to undergo significant changes under the Collective Bargaining Agreement approved by MLB and the MLB Players Association in November 2011.

 

While the Cape League hasn't been impacted signifcantly, the draft has undergone several changes like smaller signing bonuses and an earlier signing deadline.

 

"I think the No. 1 thing is it's better for pro baseball and in the long run best for college baseball because there's a little more clarity because kids are signing quicker," said Red Sox assistant director of amateur scouting Gus Quattlebaum at the Cape League workout at Fenway Park on Monday.

 

While there are players on the Cape who were drafted after the 10th round still negotiating deals like Miller and Chatham infielder Erich Weiss, a junior at Texas, restrictions in the current CBA have caused many players drafted in the early rounds to sign sooner because there isn't as much room to negotiate bonuses.

 

Weiss was selected in the 11th round by Pittsburgh and is still working on a deal.

 

Beginning with last year's draft, each team's pick in the first 10 rounds was assigned a certain slot value. Those values added together created a pool of money each team was allotted to spend on the first 10 rounds. Houston, with the No. 1 overall pick, had the largest pool of over $11.65 million for its picks in the first 10 rounds while Washington, with the last pick in each round, had the smallest pool at just over $2.73 million.

 

If a team chose to pay a player in the first round more than the slot, the overage would be taken from the rest of its pool.

 

Players drafted in rounds 11 through 40, like Miller and Weiss, could be given bonuses up to $100,000. If a team decided to sign a player past the 10th round for more than $100,000, that money would also be taken out of the pool for the first 10 rounds.

 

In this way, MLB aimed to curb the exorbitant spending of wealthy clubs, which in past drafts could pay players in the 20th round $750,000 bonuses with no punishment. Smaller-market teams with less money couldn't afford such spending and it created an imbalance.

 

Now if teams still decide to exceed the allotted pool of money for picks in the first 10 rounds, they will be taxed on the total overage with the severest of penalties being the loss of first-round picks in the following two drafts.

 

Teams might be able to pay the taxes, but the loss of a first-round pick would greatly deter them from overspending.

 

"I think the initial thought when the CBA first came out, was, this was really going to help college baseball then as a result really help the Cape Cod League," said Quattlebaum.

 

Some in the industry thought without the extreme spending the top high school prospects would opt to play in college instead of an 'average' pay-day right out of high school.

 

But it didn't turn out that way as high school players have still signed over the last two years. Of the 15 high schoolers drafted in the first round, just one remains unsigned. Meanwhile, four college first-rounders have yet to sign. "I think kids are still signing now that the money has changed and it's not the Wild West where you can throw any kind of bonus, the kids who are going to sign, sign," said Quattlebaum. "So it hasn't been as dramatic an effect as we all thought it would."

 

"They've got a much better idea of what the number's going to be," said New York Yankees vice president of amateur scouting Damon Oppenheimer. "I don't think you see this negotiation and somebody caving in the last minute like in the past. So I think it's been a good situation in terms of getting people out playing baseball (in the minors) and not waiting around all summer."

 

Another reason players are signing quicker is because the signing deadline has been moved up by one month from mid-August to mid-July.

 

There's not as much opportunity for college players to 'play into' a larger deal in a summer league because there is a month less time to showcase themselves and because major league teams are less willing to drop extra money on picks without facing penalties.

 

"You really can't do much with your pool money," said Oppenheimer, who was also at Fenway on Monday. "That top 10 pool money is kind of limited and if you can save some of that top 10 for one of these guys taken after the 10th round that's great but it's hard to do that."

 

That's what Miller is hoping for from the Brewers.

 

According to Baseball America's draft database, the Brewers have already signed their top 10 picks and still have $89,300 remaining that they can choose to allocate to players past round 10, like Miller, and not be penalized.

 

Miller is one of four Brewers' picks from the 11th to the 20th round that haven't signed yet.

 

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FYI -- The other pending signees are 12th round LHP Trevor Seidenberger out of TCU, 19th round RHP Josh Matheson of Minnesota State - Mankato, and 20th round LHP Ryan Yarbrough of Old Dominion. Yarbrough has stated he won't be signing - Jim

 

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While at Pepperdine this spring, Miller led the Waves rotation with a 2.71 ERA and 89.2 innings. He struck out 67 and walked 27.

 

So far this summer with Orleans, Miller has a 5.53 ERA and 2-0 record in three starts. He earned the win on Tuesday allowing four runs, three earned, and seven hits in five innings against Falmouth.

 

"I really do want to get my degree because I'm working for my business degree at Pepperdine, but if I can get that paid for while starting my professional career and putting money in the bank, that's a win-win right there," said Miller of his negotiations with Milwaukee.

 

Weiss faces a similar case with the Pirates. Like Miller, he's a junior and concerned that not signing now might mean he has even less leverage next summer after his senior year.

 

"If I go back I would also graduate and have another year in Texas, which is not a bad university, we get treated pretty well there so getting back to that is pretty awesome, too," Weiss said. "But definitely that does take away some leverage. It's all up to me to do as good as I can to get the money."

 

Another Pittsburgh pick weighing his options on the Cape is Brewster's Jake Stinnett. The Maryland right-hander was selected in the 29th round.

 

Stinnett has discussed his options with former Terrapins teammate Jimmy Reed, who pitched for Orleans last summer.

 

The Yankees drafted Reed in the 21st round of the 2012 draft, but he didn't sign and followed up with a strong senior season this spring. Reed was selected in the sixth round by the Cardinals last month and signed.

 

"It's such a good league, if you do well here. If I don't sign this year then maybe next year, if I have a good summer here, then there's leverage," Stinnett said.

 

Waiting or signing is a decision Stinnett, Weiss and Miller and other drafted Cape Leaguers need to make a week from today.

 

"We're all just looking for an opportunity to play at the next level," Miller said.

 

Orleans Firebirds pitcher Corey Miller, left, and Chatham Angler third baseman Erich Weiss chat on the field at Fenway Park. Photo by Christine Hochkep/Cape Cod Times

 

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