Ron Roenicke getting fired is imminent (Theory)

[3and2Fastball]

Just reading between the lines of Mark A's in-game interview today: "we are better than this", "we are making too many stupid mistakes", "we have got to find a way to get these players playing better"

 

I think he is very seriously considering firing Roenicke. In fact I think this change could happen anywhere from today to sometime in the next few weeks unless the Brewers start playing a lot better

 

My prediction is that Jerry Narron will be named interim manager

[DocLuna7]

I won't go so far as to predict it, but I definitely took away a lot of the same thing from his interview today.

[adambr2]

This would be a great day.

[monty57]

I don't really care one way or the other if Roenicke stays or goes, but I will say that Roenicke isn't the main problem for the Brewers. Unfortunately, saying "we're better than this" makes it sound like he feels the team is using the correct "franchise building strategy," and until that changes, we'll probably be firing and hiring a new manager every couple of years.

[3and2Fastball]

I don't really care one way or the other if Roenicke stays or goes, but I will say that Roenicke isn't the main problem for the Brewers. Unfortunately, saying "we're better than this" makes it sound like he feels the team is using the correct "franchise building strategy," and until that changes, we'll probably be firing and hiring a new manager every couple of years.

 

I completely agree. My response to Mark saying "we're better than this" would be "with all due respect, we really aren't"

[logan82]

We are better than this, but not much. I say keep him. I don't like him as our manager but he seems like a good guy for a sucky team which we should be for a couple years. Fire him once we start putting a good team together.

[adambr2]

I don't really care one way or the other if Roenicke stays or goes, but I will say that Roenicke isn't the main problem for the Brewers. Unfortunately, saying "we're better than this" makes it sound like he feels the team is using the correct "franchise building strategy," and until that changes, we'll probably be firing and hiring a new manager every couple of years.

 

I completely agree. My response to Mark saying "we're better than this" would be "with all due respect, we really aren't"

 

5 of 8 of our regulars are well over .300, and the bullpen is much better than last year. Poor fundamentals and many outs on the bases are costing us. I'm not saying they should be the favorites in the NL, but they should definitely be better than this.

[brewmann04]

i have to believe the seats are hot.

[3and2Fastball]

I don't really care one way or the other if Roenicke stays or goes, but I will say that Roenicke isn't the main problem for the Brewers. Unfortunately, saying "we're better than this" makes it sound like he feels the team is using the correct "franchise building strategy," and until that changes, we'll probably be firing and hiring a new manager every couple of years.

 

I completely agree. My response to Mark saying "we're better than this" would be "with all due respect, we really aren't"

 

5 of 8 of our regulars are well over .300, and the bullpen is much better than last year. Poor fundamentals and many outs on the bases are costing us. I'm not saying they should be the favorites in the NL, but they should definitely be better than this.

 

Good point. And I agree in that regard. But without better starting pitching the Brewers aren't going far. And that is Melvin's fault not Roenicke's. But I could see Mark A focusing more on the kind of stuff you are mentioning and making a change

[sveumrules]

 

5 of 8 of our regulars are well over .300, and the bullpen is much better than last year. Poor fundamentals and many outs on the bases are costing us. I'm not saying they should be the favorites in the NL, but they should definitely be better than this.

 

While poor fundamentals and many outs of the bases are costing us, even combined they aren't costing us nearly as much as having the worst starting pitching staff in the National League. Sure, we could fire Roenicke for this but I don't see what it will really change necessarily.

[PrinceEatMeat]

I could see Kranitz getting fired before Roenicke. Just to mix things up a bit to see if it works.

[3and2Fastball]

And yet another sign that Roenicke will soon be gone. When the franchise player starts speaking out like this in public, a change is coming soon

 

"There's been a lot of 'worst' games this year," Ryan Braun said. "It hasn't been good. We're just barely even competitive. It's been horrendous. Terrible.

 

"We have to do everything better. Coming into the year, we expected to be able to compete for a postseason spot, to have an opportunity to win our division, and we're not doing anything well enough to even belong in that conversation. We've been terrible. Horrible. Without many signs of doing anything better. It just hasn't been good."

[logan82]

"We have to do everything better. Coming into the year, we expected to be able to compete for a postseason spot, to have an opportunity to win our division, and we're not doing anything well enough to even belong in that conversation. We've been terrible. Horrible. Without many signs of doing anything better. It just hasn't been good."

I think his expectations were a little to high.

[DocLuna7]

"We have to do everything better. Coming into the year, we expected to be able to compete for a postseason spot, to have an opportunity to win our division, and we're not doing anything well enough to even belong in that conversation. We've been terrible. Horrible. Without many signs of doing anything better. It just hasn't been good."

I think his expectations were a little to high.

 

Maybe Braun's expectations were too high, but I think that you have a point 3 and 2. It's not normal for a star player to be saying these things without it being a sign of something much more serious in the clubhouse. Maybe he is truly just frustrated and let off some steam like he did in Boston in May of 2008. At that point though he was a guy who had been in the league for less than a calendar year, now he is the face of the franchise.

[splitterpfj]

I think a lot of people thought the Brewers had a chance to compete for a wild card spot, and when I was down in St Louis last weekend, the Cards' TV announcers said as much. The Brewers weren't expected to be great, but they were expected to be competitive, which they certainly are not right now.

 

I don't think this is all on Roenicke by any stretch, but a change wouldn't surprise me in the least.

 

It's time for an honest assessment, well beyond the manager's office. The starting pitching on this team has been awful, there have been times when the baserunning has been inexplicable, the batting order has a great top with no bottom...there are things to fix.

 

It may be time to hit the "reset" button. Doug Melvin has done a nice job here, but he's also in his 11th season with the club, it may be time for a fresh face. Bruce Seid has drafted some future contributors, but it's not like he's built the envy of the industry, maybe a new GM, with a new Director of Scouting would make sense at season's end.

 

There are some pieces to build around, and there are some veterans who are tradeable, if this is all we get from this roster, there's no reason to keep it intact.

[monty57]

I think a lot of people thought the Brewers had a chance to compete for a wild card spot, and when I was down in St Louis last weekend, the Cards' TV announcers said as much. The Brewers weren't expected to be great, but they were expected to be competitive, which they certainly are not right now.

 

Yeah, the second wild card really changes the meaning of "competitive." If not for the second wild card spot, we were not in the playoff race last year (Atlanta ended with 94 wins, so they had the first spot locked). With the new rules, pretty much any team over .500 is now "competitive." Since I expected this year's Brewer team to be around .500, I thought that with a little luck they could sneak into the 2nd wild card spot (won last year with 88 wins).

 

On a side note, this could be a positive for the Brewers this year, as less teams will be sellers. With less supply and greater demand comes a higher price for the players that are put on the market.

 

It may be time to hit the "reset" button.

 

I agree. Maybe someone knows the answer to this: has any GM ever been allowed to hire and fire as many managers in so short a period as Melvin would if Roenicke is fired and Melvin hires the replacement?

 

Seeing Attanasio yesterday, he appeared to be in the "denial" phase. If he hits "acceptance," he'll probably clean out the front office. Then I'd just wonder whether he accepted that the strategy was the problem, or if he just thinks the captain was the reason for the sinking ship. If he brings in a group similar to what the Cubs brought in, we'd have some down years, but at least I would have good hope for a brighter future. If he brings in someone who says something like "all the pieces are there, we just need one more pitcher" and then goes on to sign a FA or trade prospects for that pitcher, I'd have a hard time continuing to watch the ship sink.

[3and2Fastball]

Seeing Attanasio yesterday, he appeared to be in the "denial" phase. If he hits "acceptance," he'll probably clean out the front office. Then I'd just wonder whether he accepted that the strategy was the problem, or if he just thinks the captain was the reason for the sinking ship. If he brings in a group similar to what the Cubs brought in, we'd have some down years, but at least I would have good hope for a brighter future. If he brings in someone who says something like "all the pieces are there, we just need one more pitcher" and then goes on to sign a FA or trade prospects for that pitcher, I'd have a hard time continuing to watch the ship sink.

 

Great post and I agree completely. Attanasio admitting he has to completely clean house is akin to admitting that he himself was completely wrong about his own assessments of the team and the way the franchise has been run.

 

It seems that he would much rather believe that the franchise has been run correctly and that all the Brewers need is a "better" manager because "we are better than this" (his words). He really has a very small window to admit he was wrong and completely change directions because otherwise 2-3 managers from now Ryan Braun will be 37 years old

[Roderick]

I would hope that just the pitching coach gets fired with the hope that trickles down in RR that maybe he needs to be a little bit more assertive and to not be so beholden to veterans and giving them their 2nd, 3rd and 4th chances.

[markedman5]

He doesn't think its the manager

 

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jon-heyman/22290187/attanasio-denies-brewers-arent-hustling-praises-roenicke

[nate82]

Just reading between the lines of Mark A's in-game interview today: "we are better than this", "we are making too many stupid mistakes", "we have got to find a way to get these players playing better"

 

I think he is very seriously considering firing Roenicke. In fact I think this change could happen anywhere from today to sometime in the next few weeks unless the Brewers start playing a lot better

 

My prediction is that Jerry Narron will be named interim manager

 

And it looks like you were completely off.

[3and2Fastball]

We'll see. I still think it could happen in the next few weeks.

[JohnBriggs12]

Melvin has to be gone also. Melvin's had 3 managerial hires already in his tenure. Why would he be trusted to hire a 4th? I could see a scenario where Gord Ash takes over as interim GM and Jerry Narron takes over as interim manager then a whole new management team takes over after this season.

[JohnBriggs12]

I could see Kranitz getting fired before Roenicke. Just to mix things up a bit to see if it works.

 

That's possible. Last year the sacrificing of Stan Kyles was followed by better play. I really think the responsibilty is higher up than that though.

[RockCoCougars]

I think if things don't get righted soon, we'll see a coach or two fired. I agree that Kranitz is the logical choice to go under the bus. I'd be pretty shocked if Roenicke or Melvin get the axe until the off season though. The schedule softens up a bit here for the next three weeks. If they don't really pull themselves together in a big way, it's season over no matter what. A major shakeup would be pretty pointless by then.

[adambr2]

Just reading between the lines of Mark A's in-game interview today: "we are better than this", "we are making too many stupid mistakes", "we have got to find a way to get these players playing better"

 

I think he is very seriously considering firing Roenicke. In fact I think this change could happen anywhere from today to sometime in the next few weeks unless the Brewers start playing a lot better

 

My prediction is that Jerry Narron will be named interim manager

 

And it looks like you were completely off.

 

The vote of confidence means nothing. There aren't too many firings in MLB history that were preceded by a harsh statement from the owner or GM of a definite hot seat. Even Yost got a "vote of confidence" from Mark A.