Sellers at the Trade Deadline [Designated 2013 General Brewers Trade Rumor/Idea Thread (please see post #162)]

[sheetskout]

That's easy then... the Orioles don't get Gallardo and we let him pitch for us for the next few seasons, or we trade him to a team who will give us a good prospect, and not a Top 200 guy who's several years from making the majors if he ever makes it. We have plenty of average-ish prospects, so there's no reason to trade Gallardo unless you're getting a top guy in return.

 

Gallardo is a good pitcher with a couple of years of "team control" who is just entering his prime. If he is 100% (and it seems he's "regained" his velocity/form, so it's likely the early season troubles came from taking part in the WBC), then he is worth a lot in trade. For multiple years of a top-of-the-rotation starter with a price tag around 50-75% of what he'd get on the FA market, I would hold out for a very, very good prospect. If you can't get it, then hold onto Gallardo. We have leverage in that there is absolutely nothing wrong with going into next season with Gallardo at the top of our rotation. They're the ones who have to give to get.

 

 

 

First, there is a HUGE difference between a pre-arbitration-eligible stud-pitching prospect and how he relates to "team control" than how we have Yovani Gallardo locked up for a couple of years. I'm talking like 40-million-dollars-worth difference. Second, we certainly CAN go into 2014 with Gallardo at the top of our rotation, but I wouldn't expect a playoff birth under that circumstance.

 

You may not want to deal Gallardo for someone who doesn't fit your expected return, but the last thing you want is to get nothing (which is going to happen to Corey Hart, frankly).

[PrinceEatMeat]

Anthony Witrado ‏@WitradoSN 2h

More Melvin: "It's not a slam dunk that I'm going to trade Yovani or Kyle Lohse, but you never know. A lot have to consider (about future)."

 

Anthony Witrado ‏@WitradoSN 2h

Brewers GM Doug Melvin on Yovani Gallardo: "The (trade) package from another team has to be something that will wow me."

 

This is good news to me. Melvin always downplays things when he's out there shopping players. I think he's shopping both Gallardo and Lohse. It's encouraging that a rebuild seems like a possibility. Melvin has lots of leverage here, because he can always wait to trade either guy. Obviously their value is higher now though, which is why he'll explore it if a good offer is out there.

[82brewcrew11]

San Diego is said to be looking for a SP inked beyond just this season. I'd be interested in Erlin, Liriano, Ross, Eflin, Weickel and Fried. Gallardo/Lohse plus Axford/Rodriguez (or whichever reliever) for a package involving some of those guys sounds good.

[PrinceFielderx1]

Anthony Witrado ‏@WitradoSN 2h

More Melvin: "It's not a slam dunk that I'm going to trade Yovani or Kyle Lohse, but you never know. A lot have to consider (about future)."

 

Anthony Witrado ‏@WitradoSN 2h

Brewers GM Doug Melvin on Yovani Gallardo: "The (trade) package from another team has to be something that will wow me."

 

This is good news to me. Melvin always downplays things when he's out there shopping players. I think he's shopping both Gallardo and Lohse. It's encouraging that a rebuild seems like a possibility. Melvin has lots of leverage here, because he can always wait to trade either guy. Obviously their value is higher now though, which is why he'll explore it if a good offer is out there.

 

That's encouraging, but not really surprising. Like I said the Brewers would need as close to a top sure thing as we can get. Or multiple ones.

[brewcrewdue80]

I think it's great that the statement by Melvin pretty much declares that Lohse/Gallardo are on the trade market. So if a team wants them, they now know to pick up the phone and make their offers.

Gallardo at this point as to essentially look as one of the top 3 SPs to be had. Maybe even the best since Lee is rumored to not be available. Now, a team just looking for rental won't think that way but a team who has aspirations to get more than a rental on top of one of the best available then Yo should be worth a lot to them.

In Lohse a team that trades for him is at least getting a Playoff experienced guy. Something that Toronto has only Buerle and Happ with experience in the post season. San Diego too could use a veteran with Playoff experience if they feel they're contenders.

[PrinceEatMeat]

Here's a full article on the subject. Melvin seems to be firmly in control. It'll be interesting to see what happens. http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb/story/2013-06-24/mlb-trade-rumors-july-31-deadline-yovani-gallardo-jesse-crain-oliver-perez

[Invader3K]

Yeah, it's good to at least get some verbal confirmation of what we've been suspecting.

[igor67]

Anybody else think Aramis should sit for a week or something again to try and get that knee better healed? It's very hard to predict what people will actually trade for, but without necessarily committing to a fire sale I'd rather go into the selling process with my best potential assets at peak value and a walking wounded Ramirez hardly fits the bill.

[PrinceEatMeat]

Anybody else think Aramis should sit for a week or something again to try and get that knee better healed? It's very hard to predict what people will actually trade for, but without necessarily committing to a fire sale I'd rather go into the selling process with my best potential assets at peak value and a walking wounded Ramirez hardly fits the bill.

 

Best case is that they'll be careful enough with him until the AS break, and then the 4 days off will get him close to 100%. Then hopefully he comes out raking for the 2 weeks before the deadline.

[PrinceEatMeat]

The Yankees now lost Teixeira for the year too. They're gonna be desperate for bats. I would think they'd have interest in Ramirez even though he's still a bit injured. Desperation from a team is what the Brewers need.

[brewmann04]

You are correct and that what the Tigers and Red Soxs are for Relievers(IE Closers) not bad that all the teams are in the AL.

[nate82]

The Yankees now lost Teixeira for the year too. They're gonna be desperate for bats. I would think they'd have interest in Ramirez even though he's still a bit injured. Desperation from a team is what the Brewers need.

 

If the Yankees did come calling for Aramis Ramirez there couldn't be a worse team to match up for in terms of prospects. All of the pitchers that I would be interested in from the Yankees are injured and all but one of their top positional players are outfielders.

 

Manny Banuelos would be a nice get for Ramirez but he is injured and didn't look all that great last year before he was injured. Ty Hensley who is in the low minors who is another good pitcher is out for the year also. The next best pitching prospect in my opinion would be Nik Turley and he really isn't all that good either and would project to be at best a mid rotation starter probably more along a #5. Angelo Gumbs would be the next best positional prospect that isn't an OF. While Gumbs is a great defensive 2B his offense is still lacking though he is still young.

 

Like the Brewers the majority of the Yankees top talent is in the low minors well at least the ones that would be realistic in terms of a trade for Ramirez. I think a realistic trade would be Rafael De Paula, Dante Bichette JR, and Bryan Mitchell. Again most of the players that you could expect in return from Ramirez in the Yankees organization are going to be in the low minors. Unless you want to take a shot at Tyler Austin who is in AA. I am not sure I would want Austin as the main piece in a deal for Ramirez.

 

Nothing really exciting in the Yankees organization other than Gary Sanchez. I know scouts like Austin, Slade Heathcott, and Mason Williams but I am not very high on those three OF's as I don't think they will develop the power that most scouts think they will develop. While they are all toolsy players I am not sold on any of them really. The only other player I like in the Yankees organization is Jose Ramirez but I don't believe he would be made available in a trade for Ramirez. Jose Ramirez is probably the best pitching prospect the Yankees have right now.

[Bnowell4evr]

"‏@jonmorosi

Scouts will watch Tigers prospect Jordan Lennerton at Futures Game. He is a LH-hitting 1B. Detroit has one of those. #TradeChip"

 

Got a feeling this guy might end up in Milwaukee in a trade for Axford or KRod just because he's Canadian.

[TooLiveBrew]

"‏@jonmorosi

Scouts will watch Tigers prospect Jordan Lennerton at Futures Game. He is a LH-hitting 1B. Detroit has one of those. #TradeChip"

 

Got a feeling this guy might end up in Milwaukee in a trade for Axford or KRod just because he's Canadian.

Here is the recap on Lennerton from Baseball America's Futures Game: World Roster piece:

 

Tigers (Triple-A Toledo)

 

Born: Feb. 16, 1986. Height: 6-2. Weight: 217. Bats: L. Throws: L

 

Career Transactions: Selected by Tigers in 33rd round of 2008 draft; signed June 16, 2008.

 

Background: Lennerton was one of the stars of the 2008 Oregon State team that won the College World Series, in part because he homered in both games of the finals against North Carolina. As an unheralded 33rd-round draft pick, Lennerton spent four years in Class A before speeding his ascent.

 

What To Watch For: Lennerton has average power, but he pairs that with an excellent ability to get on base thanks to a judicious eye at the plate. He’s also an excellent defender at first.

I think I'd rather just stick with Hunter Morris at 1B.

[brewcrewdue80]

Just trying to look over the buyers landscape and seeing who if any teams need a 2b and would look at Rickie I only see 4 teams that fit that need.

 

Baltimore, Oakland, Toronto, and Kansas City.

Going over:

Boston has Dustin Pedroia.

Yankees have Robinson Cano.

Tampa Bay has Ben Zobrist.

Detroit with Omar Infante

Cleveland with Jason Kipnis

Texas with Ian Kinsler

Anaheim with Howie Kendrick

Atlanta with Dan Uggla

Washington with Anthony Rendon

Pittsburgh with Neil Walker

St. Louis with Matt Carpenter/Daniel Descalso

Cinncinatti with Brandon Phillips

Arizona with Aaron Hill

San Diego with Jedd Gyorko

Colorado with Josh Rutledge/DJ LeMathieu...(could they decide against that platoon?)

San Fran with Marco Scutaro

La Dodgers with Mark Ellis/Nick Punto/Skip Schumaker(another do they decide against their setup?)

 

So back to the 4 teams that could use a 2b.

Kansas City is a tough to call buyer. They do have a positive Runs Scored/vs Against which should come with an above .500 record but instead sit 3 games under. Chris Getz/Elliot Johnson are a pair of 29yr olds who both can't OPS above .580 so the need is there but is the want? KC sits in a good seat to determine that in that starting Tuesday they will be embarking on a stretch of games vs. every single Playoff team in the AL they need to beat. Clev,Oak,NY,Clev,Det,Bal heading to the final week of the trade deadline. So in 3 weeks they will either be healthy buyers or healthy sellers.

They should have been in the Nolasco trade rumors and go big on acquiring him just for this stretch. Sitting back could leave them in a too late scenario.

 

Oakland. Here's the problem with Oak. Moneyball. They have a 60mil payroll today and a 78mil projected next year. That is very steep to acquire Weeks who would be the highest paid player on Oakland next season and the year after if his Option hits. Eric Sogard is doing better than his career would suggest he do, at 27 and 500k is likely to just be the better cost option on Moneyball Oak. I'd imagine their only interest comes with a 9mil pickup of Weeks tab between this season and next.

Oakland has a few prospects that are intriquing for a guy like Weeks. 19yr old 3b prospects Daniel Robertson/Renato Nunez. Pitchers Raul Alcantara and Michael Ynoa would be potential promising innings eater types if they progress to the Majors.

Just not likely to see Oakland take Weeks.

 

Toronto.

They have a failing Emilio Bonifacio/old Mark Derosa/and Maicer Izturiz at 2b. I don't think payroll dollars is a worry for Toronto with Weeks.

Their record in 3 weeks though may change their tune from Buyers/Sellers and they are a team that to me wait til the final week to announce what they are. Josh Johnson could be a Wildcard wanted SP to make available.

For Weeks speculating what Toronto would give in return is hard to come up with. After their top 2 prospects the rest don't look to jump at you and I could see a return being a few players that nobody would have really heard of that the Scouting department picked up on.

I also speculated in another post the potential to just trade for ARam's contract and move Lawrie to 2b. I think that is a much more positive move for Toronto than acquiring Weeks.

 

Baltimore.

Best fit. Though I know I read somewhere Brian Roberts should be their man once he returns from the DL. Roberts is a FA after this season and I could propose the offer to trade for him and Prospect, for Weeks to compensate payroll. This would solve Baltimore's 2b for next season before the eventual Schoop promotion. The problem with Baltimore is prospects aren't really there for the wanting. And after trading for a Pitcher you imagine first we'd be getting 2nd dibs on the leftovers which is worsened.

 

So what does it amount to? The Brewers needing the Rockies or Dodgers becoming players for a 2b. Or a major injury to Cano let's say to make the Yankees players for a 2b. Or best case KC becomes buyers as they really are the best fit.

 

It's going to be a hard sell for Weeks, no matter his current and potential prolonged tear he is on.

[LouisEly]

Ellis/Punto/Schumacher wouldn't stop the Dodgers from acquiring Weeks. The youngest of that group is 33 and the highest OPS of that group is .669. Weeks would be a significant upgrade there.

[TooLiveBrew]

On my phone so I can't link, but MLBTR reporting Dodgers and Cubs are close on a trade for Marmol. I have to imagine Axford, K-Rod, and Henderson are more attractive bullpen arms than Marmoll at this point, and I'd be pretty frustrated if Melvin isn't actively shopping them

[LouisEly]

Marmol was DFA'd right before the start of the Brewers series, so this doesn't really compare to shopping Axford/K-Rod. Odds are that multiple teams put in a waiver claim on him and the Cubs are negotiating getting something for him. Don't expect to be wowed by the return; might be just cash or a low-level middling prospect changing hands since he was DFA'd.

[TooLiveBrew]

Marmol was DFA'd right before the start of the Brewers series, so this doesn't really compare to shopping Axford/K-Rod. Odds are that multiple teams put in a waiver claim on him and the Cubs are negotiating getting something for him. Don't expect to be wowed by the return; might be just cash or a low-level middling prospect changing hands since he was DFA'd.

You might be spot on with this. I admit I'm antsy about this 'trade season'

[danzig6767]

If my memory is correct, the last two years or so, most teams have shied away from trading higher end prospects for relief pitchers at the deadline.

[monty57]

If my memory is correct, the last two years or so, most teams have shied away from trading higher end prospects for relief pitchers at the deadline.

 

I wouldn't expect a high-end prospect for Axford or K-Rod. However, since K-Rod is gone after the season, and Axford's price tag would probably be too high for us to offer him arby after this season, I'd like to get something for them. Even though we've already got guys who fit this bill, I'd think that a high-minors guy who projects to be a good reliever or back-of-the-rotation starter would be a good return. Six years of a decent relief pitcher has more value to the franchise than a few months of either K-Rod or Axford.

 

I think the only way we get any more upside than that is to trade them for a high-upside guy who is still in the low minors. I think this would probably be the best case, but also the riskiest.

[LouisEly]

On my phone so I can't link, but MLBTR reporting Dodgers and Cubs are close on a trade for Marmol. I have to imagine Axford, K-Rod, and Henderson are more attractive bullpen arms than Marmoll at this point, and I'd be pretty frustrated if Melvin isn't actively shopping them

Swap of relievers who were DFA'd - Dodgers get Marmol and international signing slot #4 ($209K) and Cubs get 34-year-old Matt Guerrier. Cubs pay $2M of what is owed to Marmol.

 

Basically Cubs pay Dodgers to take Marmol and save ~$500K in salary in the deal, get no prospects.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/07/dodgers-cubs-swap-guerrier-marmol.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MlbTradeRumors+%28MLB+Trade+Rumors%29

[Invader3K]

I hope the team moves K-Rod and maybe some other relievers sooner than later. Last night's performance, while a good end result, was another emotional roller coaster. Deal him before he kills his own trade value somehow.

[brewcrewdue80]

http://www.faketeams.com/2013/6/27/4456154/2013-prospect-rankings-the-midseason-top-100

 

 

Here's a midseason rerank of prospects from 1 site. Gives you an idea who to get excited about as there are new names who've climbed the ladder a bunch.

[nate82]

I wonder if Delgado, Davidson, and Holmberg would be a more likely scenario that the Dbacks would be interested in and I believe Melvin has targeted Delgado in the past when he was with the Braves. I would prefer Skaggs over the Delgado + trade. The Delgado + trade would be more of a quantity over quality trade but how Gallardo has been pitching as of late I believe that trade would be a fairly good trade. This wouldn't be as good of a return as the Brewers got for Greinke last year but still a fairly good trade.

 

The time to trade Gallardo was last year and this off season but I don't believe Mark A would have signed off on doing that.