2013-04-24 Brewers (Estrada) at Padres (Volquez), 9:10 PM CDT [Brewers lose, 2-1]

[vegasbrewcrew1993]

thanks rickie. the streak is over thanks to you. bum

http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/7017/3qj9yb.jpg

 

jimmies have been rustled for a while now. the guy is just frustrating to watch.

[Daubs]

I think he was out, the back was obviously out, if the front foot was in the air then it is "out" of the box which was very close

 

Here's a screen capture of the play:

 

https://twitter.com/DerekVanRiper/status/327282858286796800/photo/1

 

Foot still in the box on the ground.

[adamb100]

It was a fun run of 9 games and it helped turn around the lousy start to this season. Lets just get back at it Friday in LA.

[HOF4canrake]

I think the umpire actually got this right.

 

6.05 A batter is out when—

 

(g) His fair ball touches him before touching a fielder. If the batter is in a legal position

in the batter’s box, see Rule 6.03, and, in the umpire’s judgment, there was no

intention to interfere with the course of the ball, a batted ball that strikes the batter

or his bat shall be ruled a foul ball;

 

6.03 The batter’s legal position shall be with both feet within the batter’s box.

 

 

Therefore, one foot in the box means he is not legally in the box. Thus, he would be out.

[Daubs]

I think the umpire actually got this right.

 

6.05 A batter is out when—

 

(g) His fair ball touches him before touching a fielder. If the batter is in a legal position in the batter’s box, see Rule 6.03, and, in the umpire’s judgment, there was no

intention to interfere with the course of the ball, a batted ball that strikes the batter

or his bat shall be ruled a foul ball;

 

6.03 The batter’s legal position shall be with both feet within the batter’s box.

 

 

Therefore, one foot in the box means he is not legally in the box. Thus, he would be out.

 

Where is that listed?

 

I'm looking at the official rules here (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/official_rules/batter_6.jsp) and do not see the bolded part under (g)

[FullMetalCardigan]

I think the umpire actually got this right.

 

6.05 A batter is out when—

 

(g) His fair ball touches him before touching a fielder. If the batter is in a legal position

in the batter’s box, see Rule 6.03, and, in the umpire’s judgment, there was no

intention to interfere with the course of the ball, a batted ball that strikes the batter

or his bat shall be ruled a foul ball;

 

6.03 The batter’s legal position shall be with both feet within the batter’s box.

 

 

Therefore, one foot in the box means he is not legally in the box. Thus, he would be out.

 

Hated to see the game and the streak end like that but I think the ump got the call correct. If one foot is clearly out of the box when the ball hits you, you're out. MLB rule 6.06 makes this pretty clear:

 

"6.06

A batter is out for illegal action when --

(a) He hits a ball with one or both feet on the ground entirely outside the batters box."

 

https://twitter.com/AdamMcCalvy/status/327286300896026624/photo/1

 

I think Schroeder was claiming that both feet have to be out of the batter's box but that is not the rule.

[Daubs]

I think the umpire actually got this right.

 

6.05 A batter is out when—

 

(g) His fair ball touches him before touching a fielder. If the batter is in a legal position

in the batter’s box, see Rule 6.03, and, in the umpire’s judgment, there was no

intention to interfere with the course of the ball, a batted ball that strikes the batter

or his bat shall be ruled a foul ball;

 

6.03 The batter’s legal position shall be with both feet within the batter’s box.

 

 

Therefore, one foot in the box means he is not legally in the box. Thus, he would be out.

 

Hated to see the game and the streak end like that but I think the ump got the call correct. If one foot is clearly out of the box when the ball hits you, you're out. MLB rule 6.06 makes this pretty clear:

 

"6.06

A batter is out for illegal action when --

(a) He hits a ball with one or both feet on the ground entirely outside the batters box."

 

https://twitter.com/AdamMcCalvy/status/327286300896026624/photo/1

 

I think Schroeder was claiming that both feet have to be out of the batter's box but that is not the rule.

 

According to the comment below that part of the rule, I think it has more to do with the actual act of hitting a ball:

 

Rule 6.06(a) Comment: If a batter hits a ball fair or foul while out of the batters box, he shall be called out. Umpires should pay particular attention to the position of the batters feet if he attempts to hit the ball while he is being intentionally passed. A batter cannot jump or step out of the batters box and hit the ball.

[Daubs]

Here's a quote from Roenicke from Haudricourt's blog entry:

 

But the game ended when Martin Maldonado chopped a ball in front of the plate and made contact with the ball coming out of the box, with Emmel calling him out for interference. Roenicke said Emmel blew the call because Maldonado’s back foot was still in the box, which replays confirmed. The rules state that it's batter's interference only if the hitter is completely out of the box.

 

“To end the game, you better know darn well that he’s out of the box,” said Roenicke, already no fan of that umpiring crew after being ejected the previous evening. “You could see the ball hit (Maldonado’s) shoulder. He was definitely not out of the box.

 

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/204620931.html

[HOF4canrake]

The bolded part you're mentioning is right within the same rule (g). I'm looking at the MLB Rulebook online.

 

Google MLB Official Rulebook and you should be able to bring up the PDF.

[Daubs]

The bolded part you're mentioning is right within the same rule (g). I'm looking at the MLB Rulebook online.

 

Google MLB Official Rulebook and you should be able to bring up the PDF.

 

Got it - strange that part would be omitted on the website....

 

Thanks!

[HOF4canrake]

Here's a quote from Roenicke from Haudricourt's blog entry:

 

But the game ended when Martin Maldonado chopped a ball in front of the plate and made contact with the ball coming out of the box, with Emmel calling him out for interference. Roenicke said Emmel blew the call because Maldonado’s back foot was still in the box, which replays confirmed. The rules state that it's batter's interference only if the hitter is completely out of the box.

 

“To end the game, you better know darn well that he’s out of the box,” said Roenicke, already no fan of that umpiring crew after being ejected the previous evening. “You could see the ball hit (Maldonado’s) shoulder. He was definitely not out of the box.

 

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/204620931.html

 

 

The rule being applied here is not "batter's interference". It's simply that the batter becomes a runner once he is not legally in the box. He must have 2 feet in the box to legally be in the box. If he's not (1 foot) and makes contact with the ball, he is out.

[fondybrewfan]

It was a borderline call but I didn't find myself to upset with the call at the time. To make that borderline call on the last batter of the game seems a little iffy; but it is what it is. The Brewers had a good run with good luck; they were bound to have something like this happen.

 

The umpiring crew in general was pretty piss poor the entire series though.

[azcheesehead]

Was the ball even in fair territory?

[Daubs]

Was the ball even in fair territory?

 

It was in front of home plate, but did not go past the front chalk line of the batter's box.

[zzzmanwitz]

Sorry, I missed the game thread last night, but I have a question. On the throwing error charged to Weeks, whose responsibility should it have been to cover 3B? Based on what I saw, had there been a guy on 3B, the runner would have never tried to take the base and even if he did, Weeks would have at least had a non-moving target to throw to. Just my thoughts as a lonely Weeks apologist.

[Baldkin]

I haven't seen the highlights, but it depends on the play they have on. With Weeks covering 1B and the corners crashing it is usually either the 3B or P job to cover 3B, whomever doesn't make the play on the ball.

[rluzinski]

With two outs, the argument is that it is not worth any significant risk to even make that throw.

 

Weeks had a horrific defensive performance last night but he did not lose the game alone. Not even close. The offense scored 1 run and Weeks' defense only directly accounted for 1 run, which would have TIED the game. The Brewers' offense gets some significant blame here.

 

But of course, it is just one game, so I can't get too upset, especially considering it is the first loss in a long time.

[zzzmanwitz]

Estrada fielded the ball, so Yuni should have been covering the base I guess. My point is that the runner never would have taken the base if it was being covered. This is what happens when you have people playing out of position.

[RobDeer 45]

Tough loss and a great run it was during the 9 game stretch. I really really think Weeks should get an extra day off here so he has two in a row. I guess it won't happen but he needs to get his head right.....maybe a new bat too.

 

Let's take two in LA this weekend!

[topper09er]

Just for complete records...

 

6.05 A batter is out when—

(g) His fair ball touches him before touching a fielder. If the batter is in a legal position

in the batter’s box, see Rule 6.03, and, in the umpire’s judgment, there was no

intention to interfere with the course of the ball, a batted ball that strikes the batter

or his bat shall be ruled a foul ball;

 

6.03 The batter’s legal position shall be with both feet within the batter’s box.

APPROVED RULING: The lines defining the box are within the batter’s box.

 

 

The ruling was correct and Maldonaldo was out to end the game.

[stoutdude04]

Estrada fielded the ball, so Yuni should have been covering the base I guess. My point is that the runner never would have taken the base if it was being covered. This is what happens when you have people playing out of position.

 

Lucroy actually fielded it. Not that it matters a ton.

[zzzmanwitz]

Fair enough SD04

[wOOgiE22]

I'm at the game in the right field bleachers. Gomez should have got that easy. What a killer.