Marcum removed from camp

[DHonks]

just saw it on the bottom line. Apparently the Mets want him to focus the next 3 weeks on strengthening his arm. Makes sense because the last two years he developed shoulder weakness in spring training and we had to shut him down

[Yeti73]

Isn't that sort of the classic example of something you should be doing in the offseason? I always liked Marcum, but maybe his bad health wasn't totally bad luck.

[PrinceFielderx1]

Isn't that sort of the classic example of something you should be doing in the offseason? I always liked Marcum, but maybe his bad health wasn't totally bad luck.

 

I feel the same way about the Gamel injury. They don't take conditioning seriously and come into camp out of shape.

[brwrsfan]

Gamel retore his ACL, I don't think thats the same thing as Marcum not having any arm strength. Maybe Gamel slacked in rehab, but a doctor had to clear him to take the field. In his case, it probably wasn't fully healed yet or he just got really, really unlucky.

 

With Marcum, arm strength is something he could have done on his own, given how his arm more or less faded away two years ago and then he had arm troubles last year, you'd have though that would be a priority for him. The fact that he's pulled out for 3 weeks makes me even more comfortable in saying that the Brewers knew his arm was shot, hence why we made no attempt to resign him for a few million dollars.

[Baldkin]

Yes, Gamel tried to come back in 8 months from an injury that usually requires 12 to be fully healthy.

 

It's not shocking he got hurt again. I was shocked he was cleared at the start of spring training.

[DHonks]

baldkin, I'm not sure it's 12 months anymore. Yo came back in 5 1/2 months from it. Gonzalez is full strength and he had his surgery a few weeks earlier. I think it's just more of a fluke with Gamel.

[PrinceFielderx1]

Gamel always has some kind of injury in Spring Training. It's reasonable to suspect somethings wrong with his off-season conditioning or he's just too lazy in the off-season. His career with the Brewers is over and I'm not that sad about it.

[Ennder]

Gamel always has some kind of injury in Spring Training. It's reasonable to suspect somethings wrong with his off-season conditioning or he's just too lazy in the off-season. His career with the Brewers is over and I'm not that said about it.

 

Some pretty smooth logic here.

[DHonks]

I'm not said about it either. But I would be sad about it. He's the best prospect we've had since Escobar, and he's never gotten a chance. Hard to fault his off-season conditioning. His rehab focused on his knee and the Brewers said he looked good in December.

 

Of course, some people constantly questioned Sheets' conditioning. He could have been the Cy Young at least one of the years had he gotten more run support, yet people still found fault with him.

[Raw Biz]

Gamel always has some kind of injury in Spring Training. It's reasonable to suspect somethings wrong with his off-season conditioning or he's just too lazy in the off-season. His career with the Brewers is over and I'm not that said about it.

 

Are you the same one who said that Hart was sandbagging in the offseason too? Sometimes guys get hurt. Ben Sheets got hurt a lot. It happens. Everybody's body is different. Sometimes fluke things happen.

[brwrsfan]

Even IF Gamel didn't rehab properly or has off-season conditioning problems (I'm not saying he did) but let's just assume thats the case....a Dr. still had to examine that knee multiple times and clear him to participate in drills. Which either was a mistake or it just simply got reinjured.

 

Thats a horrible break for Gamel, but it happens. People get injured. Just because his injuries come in ST doesn't mean he doesn't do what's expected in the off season. Could it mean that? Sure, it's possible, but to just assume that isn't correct or fair to Gamel.

 

Arm strength on the other hand should be something Marcum was doing all year long. And maybe he was and it wasn't working right, but the fact that you need 3 weeks of ST to do arm strengthen drills is very odd IMO.

[PrinceFielderx1]

Gamel always has some kind of injury in Spring Training. It's reasonable to suspect somethings wrong with his off-season conditioning or he's just too lazy in the off-season. His career with the Brewers is over and I'm not that said about it.

 

Are you the same one who said that Hart was sandbagging in the offseason too? Sometimes guys get hurt. Ben Sheets got hurt a lot. It happens. Everybody's body is different. Sometimes fluke things happen.

 

No that wasn't me. How many times does a fluke incident need to occur before someone says something else must be going on? It's my opinion, but I just believe Gamel's off-season conditioning isn't good enough and makes him vulnerable to injury's. If He did come back to soon from the injury then that's his fault. He should have requested more time. He'd miss some of the season, but it's worth it in the end. 8 months instead of 12? Yeah...

[Ennder]

There are tons of players who don't have good off-season conditioning that don't get injured every year and there are people who are over the top at conditioning that do get hurt on a regular basis. Without any real info behind the opinion it is trying to make something out of nothing.

[pitchleague]

I just have to say, ever since I saw the thread title a few days ago I keep picturing Mets' security escorting Marcum off the premises or something like Willie Mays Hayes waking up in the parking lot.

[dlk9s]

I wonder if there's something else going on with Marcum's arm other than just poor conditioning. I mean, you never hear about a guy being made to sit out of camp to strengthen his arm. It seems really weird to me that he would've just failed to work in the offseason and come to camp with an arm so weak that he has to take almost a month off Spring Training.

[TooLiveBrew]

I wonder if there's something else going on with Marcum's arm other than just poor conditioning. I mean, you never hear about a guy being made to sit out of camp to strengthen his arm. It seems really weird to me that he would've just failed to work in the offseason and come to camp with an arm so weak that he has to take almost a month off Spring Training.

Would someone with a good knowledge of pitching mechanics be willing to chime in as to whether or not Marcum's mechanics could be to blame?

 

EDIT: A quick Google search yielded this Brewers Bar piece from 2011. Definitely worth the read, & it seems Marcum's mechanics could very well be to blame for his injury WOAHs.

[jerichoholicninja]

I wonder if there's something else going on with Marcum's arm other than just poor conditioning. I mean, you never hear about a guy being made to sit out of camp to strengthen his arm. It seems really weird to me that he would've just failed to work in the offseason and come to camp with an arm so weak that he has to take almost a month off Spring Training.

Would someone with a good knowledge of pitching mechanics be willing to chime in as to whether or not Marcum's mechanics could be to blame?

 

EDIT: A quick Google search yielded this Brewers Bar piece from 2011. Definitely worth the read, & it seems Marcum's mechanics could very well be to blame for his injury WOAHs.

 

Call it the "inverted W" or whatever you want but Marcum puts unneeded stress on his shoulder and elbow by not having his arm in the proper place during footstrike.

[RockCoCougars]

I honestly can't believe that Marcum would just lie around watching Maury and eating Cheetos in an off season in which he's looking for employment. I don't believe that conditioning has much to do with arm issues anyway. I'd guess that most pitchers do cardiovascular training during the off-season, but I highly doubt most are hitting the weights. Frankly, I just think that Marcum's elbow is likely toast. He probably could have gotten Tommy John surgery last season if he wanted, but I bet that he held out due to his contract situation. Why else would the Brewers not show one iota of interest?

[Ennder]

Gallardo tweaked his groin in his outing, probably bad conditioning.

[Point Beer Is Best]

Gallardo tweaked his groin in his outing, probably bad conditioning.

 

First his ACL in 2008, and now this? Injury prone!

[PrinceFielderx1]

Now Ramirez "strained his knee" sliding into 2nd base. Good god, what next, another torn ACL? Perhaps it's too early to be sliding just yet in spring training camp?

[monty57]

Now Ramirez "strained his knee" sliding into 2nd base. Good god, what next, another torn ACL? Perhaps it's too early to be sliding just yet in spring training camp?

 

Yeah, I don't like anything dealing with the knee. Good to hear the Brewer trainers don't think there's any damage, but they won't know until the swelling goes down. I'll keep my fingers crossed.

 

With Hart out to start the season, our offense would be pretty weak if Ramirez had to miss any time.

[PrinceFielderx1]

Milwaukee Brewers third baseman Aramis Ramirez is scheduled for an MRI this morning on his left knee.

 

"I'm not feeling too good right now," he said.

 

Ramirez was limping noticeably as he arrived in the clubhouse, and had a wrap on his knee.

 

Asked if he thought the injury was serious, Ramirez was unsure.

 

"I don't know; I've never had knee problems before, so I don't know what to expect," he said. "It doesn't feel too good right now, but the good thing is it's not swelling at all. It's just sore."

 

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/194648621.html

[TURBO]

Oh my, if he goes down for an extended period of time, we are more than in trouble...

 

This could be bad, very bad.

[PrinceFielderx1]

Oh my, if he goes down for an extended period of time, we are more than in trouble...

 

This could be bad, very bad.

 

I'm scared and I'm holding my breath. This could be devastating.