2012-2013 College Basketball thread

[fondybrewfan]

I am still not all that high on Jackson. Once Gasser comes back I kind of hope he ends up back on the bench in a support role. Gasser, Brust, and Decker should be 1-2-3 next year with Jackson, Marshall, and Koenigs backing up. Jackson is always willing to take the big shot; but his ball handling skills and passing ability leave a lot to be desired. He should be treated as a backup SG next year. That is a ton of depth; unfortunately there front line looks pretty weak and thin next year unless the Freshmen bigs come in any play well.

 

I will miss Bruiser; his shot has gone to crap this year but is still a good defender and rebounder; the same can probably be said for Evans. Both of them probably have shot to much this year. Bergren is kind of an enigma. He is pretty darn athletic but he also has completely lost his shot and in general UW hasn't fed the post much at all this year. Of the three guys I think Bergren will be missed the most. He is the only shot blocking and post presence they had.

[MJLiverock]

yeah, it's not that I think Jackson is great but like the old saying, in the land of the blind the one eyed man is king. If Marshall can improve I can see him getting more playing time. Gasser is another guy I've never been sold on. He seems like another Jarmusz, a WI kid who people look to give him more credit than deserved because of where he is from rather than actual talent. He was not impressive defensively against the better guards in games last year and that like most WI players is always mentioned first with offense a distant second.

[bani1717]

Gasser is another guy I've never been sold on. He seems like another Jarmusz, a WI kid who people look to give him more credit than deserved because of where he is from rather than actual talent.

 

Seriously? Gasser as a freshman was better than Jarmusz ever was. I understand the point you're trying to make, that you think Gasser is over-rated, but there is such a gap between the two talent-wise that it's a stretch to say the least. I don't care where Gasser is from, he will be one of the most talented players on the team next year. I expect the backcourt consisting of Gasser, Brust, and Dekker to be very good next year. I just hope that our best option doesn't end up being something like Jackson-Gasser-Brust-Dekker-Kaminsky. We really need our big men to step up so that we can preserve some of our guard depth and keep our guys at their natural positions.

[brwrsfan]

Jarmusz was flat out terrible. The fact that he got all those minutes infuriated me and made me throw up in my mouth a little bit just thinking about it right now. Gasser isn't an all conference player, but he DOES have talent and can be effective on the court, both from a scoring and a passing standpoint. Jarmusz provided absolutely nothing. The only thing those two have in common is being from Wisconsin.

 

These are Jarmusz career stats:

122 games played, 48 starts (averaged 17.6 min), 2.8 ppg, 39% shooting, 2.1 rebounds, .6 assists

 

That's just awful. It's not like he was a lockdown defender. He was terrible.

 

Bani, you probably hit the starting lineup, or close to it. We'll just have to see how the freshman pan out, especially the bigs. That lineup would be awfull small and force Dekker to play inside, which I don't think makes much sense. They'll almost have to let a freshman play, because our current backup big men are terrible outside of Kaminsky.

[fondybrewfan]

Jarmusz is on a level all by himself. He wasn't hyped out of HS and I still have no idea how he got offered a scholarship. The Wisconsin high school class for that year was horrible, Tim was #3 (Behind Nankavil & Garret). Gasser may not be an All American but he is a very capable player and is a superior ball handler to Jackson; thats why I would want him back at the PG next year.

 

Also how the heck was Evan Anderson a 4* prospect in 2010? Is that some kind of a joke? What part of his high school career ever made anyone think he was a 4* prospect?

[MJLiverock]

Anderson was hyped because he was tall when he was a freshman and sophomore. Guys like that always pop onto the radar because of the hope of how much they can improve as they grow accustomed to how tall they are. That was why Anderson had schools like Kansas sniffing around when he was young. By the time he got to be a senior and barely averaged double digits and wasn't dominate playing against lesser competition he fell off most big time schools radar and no one really thought of him as a 4 star guy anymore.

 

Yes, I do think Gasser is overrated. I used Jarmusz just because Jarmusz was praised locally for any smidgen of positive play and even had fans asking why he didn't start which he eventually did despite being terrible. I dont' think Gasser is terrible, just overrated and nothing more than a role player.

 

Gasser wasn't going to get a scholarship offer from WI until Blue left and Diamond Taylor got kicked off the team, so it isn't like Gasser was coveted by WI or other B10 schools. Gasser feasts on the bottom feeder competition and disappears versus the better teams with better guard play, like most WI players he doesn't do much to create his own shot and just hangs around the perimeter. Last year versus Nebraska, PSU, Northwestern and Iowa he averaged 10.2 points a game and shot 45%. Up against MSU, OSU, MI, IN, teams with decent guards, he drops to 4.7 points. Throw in the Marquette and N.Carolina games for quality non conference and he averaged 4.5 pts and shot 34% against better quality teams. All of this while playing over 30 minutes a game so it isn't like he's not on the court. In the NCAA tourney he put up double digits against Montana and then was 2-5 and 9 points combined versus Vandy and Syracuse, again disappearing once the competition got better. Then I look at this year's team which exceeded all expectations and didn't appear to miss him one bit, their biggest problem is consistent offense, something he doesn't bring to the table.

[brwrsfan]

I agree that Gasser isn't great, but he's not terrible. Nobody is calling him the best player on the roster, but he is a useful player. And he is much, much better than Jarmusz ever was. But you're taking games against good teams and saying he played bad. And maybe he did, I'm not going to refute that, but to simply look at his scoring totals doesn't tell the whole story.

 

For starters, he's very secure with the basketball, only 43 turnovers in 36 games (in over 1200 minutes), thats just over one turnover a game from a guy on the floor a majority of games. In comparison, Jackson this year I believe has 62 turnovers in roughly the same amount of minutes. Granted, Jackson is handling the ball more than Gasser probably did, but thats still a lot of turnovers. Roughly two a game.

 

And you're right, his scoring totals weren't great, especially in those games you pointed out, but it's not like he's ever been asked to score. Last year there were 5 guys on the roster that shot more than he did - Taylor, Bergerron, Evans, Bruiser and Brust. However, Gasser shot the highest percentage on both FG attempts (46.4%) and 3 point FG attempts (45.2%). He's also an almost 80 percent FT shooter. I'm not going to take the time to look it up, but he probably shot even less the year before with Leuer and Nankivil on the roster as well.

 

I think people are thinking that when he is finally asked to take on a bigger scoring role as a senior, that he will be more than capable based on his percentages and the fact that he's more or less taken a backseat to other players based upon the system and how the team was setup. When he did shoot last year, he was very effective based on the numbers.

 

Again, I don't think he's great, but I do think he'll be more than capable of being a solid player that can contribute on the offensive end much more than he has in the past.

[PeaveyFury]

Congrats to Big Ten Coach of the Year Bo Ryan!!

[homer]

I really can't stand Tom Crean.

[folly412]

Congrats to Big Ten Coach of the Year Bo Ryan!!

 

Well deserved. That team was looking done for when conference play rolled around, and Dekker's the only one with legit talent. Winning 12 games in the best conference in the country is impressive.

 

 

I really can't stand Tom Crean.

 

Most can't.

[sauveb]

What a great couple of days coaching wise. Bo gets Big 10 coach of the year and Crean makes a total tool of himself on national tv.

[fondybrewfan]

Crean is just an awful human being in my opinion. I would like nothing more to have Indiana get upset in the 2nd round. I don't like guys like Izzo, Coach K, Calipari either but at least I respect them. Crean I just can't stand on any level and I hope he fails miserably

[thebruce44]

Its that smirk. I can just tell he's thinking he's better than me through the TV.

[TooLiveBrew]

Crean is just an awful human being in my opinion. I would like nothing more to have Indiana get upset in the 2nd round. I don't like guys like Izzo, Coach K, Calipari either but at least I respect them. Crean I just can't stand on any level and I hope he fails miserably

Personality-wise, I hear you. But I have zero respect for him -- he's cheated & been caught at UMass & Memphis... but I'm sure he's squeaky-clean at UK.

 

I both like & respect Izzo & Krzyzewski. And I of course agree that Crean is a total knob. Didn't like him even with Marquette.

[fondybrewfan]

Yeah maybe I overstated my respect for Calipari. I respect the fact that he is hell of a recruiter and probably a mediocre talent developer and in game coach. Obviously his sensational recruiting record and his past problems probably does indicate that at the moment he is just getting away with it. Maybe he will eventially go 3 for 3 and get another Final 4 wiped off the record at his 3rd straight school.

[TooLiveBrew]

Yeah, I don't think he's a great recruiter. I think he's been great at cheating at recruiting.

[Funketown]

Calipari and Pitino both just seem like somewhat questionable fellows to me. I didn't mind seeing Kentucky struggle this season. You have to figure their 1&Done model ought to lead to a ton of variance in their season-to-season success, and while it worked incredibly well in 2011-12 (though I'll contest until the day I die that had Kendall Marshall not broken his wrist, UNC would have been just as formidable), seasons like this one are not going to be terribly uncommon for Kentucky if they keep recruiting this way. Honestly I think you're typically better off with 3-4 seasons of a good recruit than 1-2 seasons of a good one.

 

I spent about five hours waiting for tickets to the eventual UNC drubbing against Duke (it was a fun game for literally thirty seconds, felt really bad for UNC's senior walk-on who started only to get a 3-ball drilled over him about a minute in). I knew Kryscheifksysksysi to be a bit of a hothead, but it was really interesting watching him during the TV timeouts. He probably spent at least 3-4 of them badgering the referees after calls which weren't even questionable upon seeing the replays on the monitors. If he were a first year coach at Eastern Carolina University of Agriculture and Technology State, he would be T'd up fairly often. Despite his hotheadedness and foul mouth, he seems like a decent guy; just not quite the angel he is portrayed as by ESPN.

 

I'm about ready for Thursday so championship week can start. I do love these small conference championship games though. Small gyms, lots of noise, and college kids just trying to get their chance on the national stage. While the conference regular season winner is usually the best team, this is a lot more fun!

[hawing]

I'm about ready for Thursday so championship week can start. I do love these small conference championship games though. Small gyms, lots of noise, and college kids just trying to get their chance on the national stage. While the conference regular season winner is usually the best team, this is a lot more fun!

Championship Week is the best! When we finally broke down and got cable in 1993, it was installed in mid-March and we spent the first week watching game after game of Directional State University X vs. Obscure College Y. I was hooked. I actually enjoy it more than the 'real' tournament. Of course, as I get old and (even) more jaded, I'll sometimes chant "You're the play-in" at the TV as Obscure College Y celebrates; but I won't begrudge them their moment in the sun.

 

Last night we beheld LIU Brooklyn and Valpo punching their respective tickets. I know a couple of you here on Brewerfan are happy about the latter. Valpo didn't let their fans storm the court, though; what was up with that?

[Menotti80]

buzz not getting the big east coy award is a joke. So pissed...

[jjfanec]

buzz not getting the big east coy award is a joke. So pissed...

 

Yeah I am not a Marquette fan but I think he should have won although Thompson did a great job as well. Easily the two best coaching jobs in the BE

[patrickgpe]

wondering what others thing the marquette lost did to their seeding. I don't think too much. They did lose to a ranked team. I still think they will be a 4 or 5 and will be put in the same bracket as Indiana.

[jjfanec]

wondering what others thing the marquette lost did to their seeding. I don't think too much. They did lose to a ranked team. I still think they will be a 4 or 5 and will be put in the same bracket as Indiana.

 

They definitely wont drop lower than a 5. It depends on what teams do the next couple days. I would say they are a 4 as of now but if teams like Wisconsin, Cuse, Oklahoma St, Arizona and others do. If a few of those teams win Marquette will likely be a 5 seed.

 

The one thing hurting Marquette is their road/neutral court record. I think they only have one road/neutral court win against a tournament team but have 8 road/neutral court losses. They are 1-7 vs tournament level teams in that situation. That could knock them down a bit. Compare that to the Badgers who are 3-5 and if they get a win today would bump that up a little more.

 

Even with that one issue I still think they end up as a 4 seed

[fondybrewfan]

Both Marquette and UW are very likely to end up as 4-5 seeds. In my opinion there is a very clear Top 10 and then after that it get really murky. If UW had just avoided those losses to Virginia and Purdue they are probably sitting pretty at a 3.

 

Regardless of where both Marq and UW end up; I have a feeling they will be sexy picks to be upset in the first round. UW is routinely that sexy pick despite there strong history of making it to the 2nd weekend and Marq lacks the star power to make the media fall in love with them.

[jjfanec]

Both Marquette and UW are very likely to end up as 4-5 seeds. In my opinion there is a very clear Top 10 and then after that it get really murky. If UW had just avoided those losses to Virginia and Purdue they are probably sitting pretty at a 3.

 

Regardless of where both Marq and UW end up; I have a feeling they will be sexy picks to be upset in the first round. UW is routinely that sexy pick despite there strong history of making it to the 2nd weekend and Marq lacks the star power to make the media fall in love with them.

 

I agree on UW. They always get picked against. Marquette was getting a lot of love before the Big East tourney so I would surprised if they are a sexy pick to lose. They were winning games down the stretch. They were top 12 in a lot of the power rankings

[FVBrewerFan]

Marquette should be a 4 seed for sure. Their RPI was #10 before the BE Tourney, so they still have to be one of the top 16 teams, I would think. No way Wisconsin is a 5 seed, unless they win a game or two in the Big Ten tourney. I think they are a 6 right now. RPI is even lower than that.