2013 Draft prospects discussion

[colbyjack]

TheCrew07, we'll have video of Dunlap pitching on his PG player profile once the videos are all edited. I'll try to remember to remind you of that when those are up.

 

What you'll see is a max effort delivery that you're used to seeing from shorter, stockier guys that go 1-2 innings at a time. He's not exactly that tall, projectable, smooth and repeatable pitcher that you envision when thinking of a future starter. The secondary stuff is raw, but it isn't even really about that. When you see, and meet him (he's wired like a closer), you just think future short role and there's nothing wrong with that. It will effect his draft ceiling, especially as a high school kid, but again the Craig Kimbrell comparisons were used early and often in watching him pitch.

 

Here's the top prospect reports from the event:

 

http://www.perfectgame.org/Articles/View.aspx?article=8020

[TheCrew07]

Gotcha, I think I saw he was 5' 11" someplace, maybe on the PG site, so I knew he was on the shorter side.

 

Thanks for the response.

[paul253]

Two things I don't want. A college pitcher who profiles as a mid to back of the rotation starter (which is probably the best we could get picking so low), or an outfielder. I think either a high potential high school pitcher, a shortstop, a catcher, or a power hitting third basemen would be ideal.

[James Zumstein]

Two things I don't want. A college pitcher who profiles as a mid to back of the rotation starter (which is probably the best we could get picking so low), or an outfielder. I think either a high potential high school pitcher, a shortstop, a catcher, or a power hitting third basemen would be ideal.

 

Amen, brother. I would be okay with taking some high school outfielders a little later in the draft, around rounds 3-5, like a Matt McPhearson or Nicholas Buckner, but I would be thrilled to get a Jordan Sheffield or an Ian Clarkin type at #17 and hopefully Trey Williams at #53.

[narwhalattack]

Two things I don't want. A college pitcher who profiles as a mid to back of the rotation starter (which is probably the best we could get picking so low), or an outfielder. I think either a high potential high school pitcher, a shortstop, a catcher, or a power hitting third basemen would be ideal.

 

Amen, brother. I would be okay with taking some high school outfielders a little later in the draft, around rounds 3-5, like a Matt McPhearson or Nicholas Buckner, but I would be thrilled to get a Jordan Sheffield or an Ian Clarkin type at #17 and hopefully Trey Williams at #53.

 

And perhaps you could add Carlos Salazar to that list as well.

[molitor fan]

Earlier in the thread I mentioned that I was coaching a team here in North Carolina that has a player that is likely to be drafted in 2013 named Alex Bostic. I saw him listed as the 94th best senior on a recent list, which would place him in the 6th/7th round, and he would just go to Clemson to fulfill his commitment there. This is a joke. I would be very happy as a Brewer fan if he went to us in the first round as he is a comparable talent, albeit at a different position, than Saeger, who went to the Dodgers last year in about our draft position. Bostic is a centerfielder and lefty pitcher that stands 6'4 and is 195ish that hit 90, sat 85-88, hits the 3rd baseman's mitt on the bag from 335 as a CF every time, and had a 1.7 OPS over our last 20 games as we won the North Carolina State Championship, hitting the scoreboard at the minor league stadium in the deciding game from 480 feet away.

 

Bostic, who is a 4.6 student and a great kid, had some surgery that cleaned out his elbow as his velocity dipped in the mid winter to 84, and he came back to hit on Thursday for out first game after having little practice time. All he did was hit a laser double off the wall and bomb a 3 run home run to win the game 5-3 in the 7th.over the 9th ranked team in the state (we are ranked 1st- our 2-5 hitters are committed to Duke, Clemson, UNC-Charlotte, and Virginia).

 

The guy is a beast, and I do not understand why we do not have out stands packed with scouts. He is a definite top 40 pick as a pitcher/centerfielder in my mind, and just wanted to get some juice out there for people on this board, as I hope he wears a Brewer hat in June (we are his favorite team by the way).

[Raw Biz]

Earlier in the thread I mentioned that I was coaching a team here in North Carolina that has a player that is likely to be drafted in 2013 named Alex Bostic. I saw him listed as the 94th best senior on a recent list, which would place him in the 6th/7th round, and he would just go to Clemson to fulfill his commitment there. This is a joke. I would be very happy as a Brewer fan if he went to us in the first round as he is a comparable talent, albeit at a different position, than Saeger, who went to the Dodgers last year in about our draft position. Bostic is a centerfielder and lefty pitcher that stands 6'4 and is 195ish that hit 90, sat 85-88, hits the 3rd baseman's mitt on the bag from 335 as a CF every time, and had a 1.7 OPS over our last 20 games as we won the North Carolina State Championship, hitting the scoreboard at the minor league stadium in the deciding game from 480 feet away.

 

Bostic, who is a 4.6 student and a great kid, had some surgery that cleaned out his elbow as his velocity dipped in the mid winter to 84, and he came back to hit on Thursday for out first game after having little practice time. All he did was hit a laser double off the wall and bomb a 3 run home run to win the game 5-3 in the 7th.over the 9th ranked team in the state (we are ranked 1st- our 2-5 hitters are committed to Duke, Clemson, UNC-Charlotte, and Virginia).

 

The guy is a beast, and I do not understand why we do not have out stands packed with scouts. He is a definite top 40 pick as a pitcher/centerfielder in my mind, and just wanted to get some juice out there for people on this board, as I hope he wears a Brewer hat in June (we are his favorite team by the way).

 

No offense but aren't you a little biased. If he's barely a top 100 senior according to some scouts, why would that merit a 1st round pick?

[splitterpfj]

Patrick, a friend of mine was just telling me about Ryan Thompson, at Franklin Pierce U. Have you seen him?

[molitor fan]

Of course I am biased, but I am very confident in my commentary. He is a better player than Richie Schaeffer, recent top pick of the Rays that is also from this area......I think some scouts are too focused on his skills as a pitcher....

 

Local guy Ryder Ryan is regarded by perfect game as the 5th best current junior in the US, and Bostic is a much better bet to succeed in the pros than Ryan for a variety of reasons.

 

http://www.perfectgame.org/Players/Playerprofile.aspx?ID=289628

 

Perfect game is amazing, but they list him as a 1B/P.....he has never played 1st and he has plus speed, a natural, though tall, centerfielder

[colbyjack]

The times we (PG) have seen Bostic it's as a primary pitcher. He didn't even take BP at our National Showcase last summer. And his secondary position often is what he inputs into our system. He's ranked where he is because of his promise on the mound. If you're saying he's a better hitter/positional prospect than pitcher, that's something I'll definitely look into.

 

Ryder Ryan is a pretty amazing prospect, so what you're saying is pretty lofty praise. The same goes for Richie Shaffer, who was one of the best hitters in the nation last year at the college level. If Shaffer was considered a mid- to late-first round pick and Ryan is already considered a top 10-15 overall pick for 2014, you're basically saying Bostic should go in the first half of the first round this year (although you did say you'd take him among the top 40 overall picks).

 

Time will tell, but we'll see if you're assessment is accurate (or biased ).

 

splitter, I've never seen Ryan Thompson in person, but he was rated our 19th best prospect at the D2 level entering the spring (I'm not sure I've ever seen a D2 player in person, that is while they were actually playing for a D2 program). Of course, the D2 level isn't exactly brimming with talent. The one note we have in our system on him is that he was throwing in the low-90s last summer on the Cape, but so were a lot of other guys as he didn't crack out league's top 100 prospects.

[molitor fan]

Thanks for the response Colby.

[Eye Black]

This article lists some of the top draft eligible talent in Canada led by Paul Quantrill's son Cal. Not sure any are elite prospects, but still worth a look given the Organizations affinity for those North of the border.

[TooLiveBrew]

Feb. 22nd Minor League Ball 2013 Draft Top 100 (not a Sickels piece).

 

Pretty brief descriptions of the players, but this'll at least add some more names to be discussed here.

[James Zumstein]

Feb. 22nd Minor League Ball 2013 Draft Top 100 (not a Sickels piece).

 

Pretty brief descriptions of the players, but this'll at least add some more names to be discussed here.[/quote

 

Thanks for the link. I like to look through as many different "experts" opinions as possible, and I always find it funny how they vary. I mentioned earlier about Matt Mcphearson, who looks to be a Michael Bourn clone. In their HS preview, BA rated him to be the fastest player available this year. I had read from several other sites that he should go around the 3rd or 4th round, now this site has him 66th overall. Just interesting.

 

Another player that has caught my eye is Chris Kohler. 6'3", 195 LHP, 3rd team BA pre-season All-Amer. from Rancho Cucamonga, CA. One site says he is the most projectable LHP in the HS class, yet several others don't list him in the top 100 prospects. Does anybody have more info on him and where he is truly projected to go in the draft?

[colbyjack]

nate82, Puk's profile was broken down in great detail in our Draft Focus feature on Friday. Interesting comparison to CC Sabathia was made by David Rawnsley who wrote the piece:

 

http://www.perfectgame.org/Articles/View.aspx?article=8103

 

I brought up New Mexico 3B/1B DJ Peterson earlier in this thread. He is absolutely tearing the cover off the ball right now. See for yourself:

 

http://www.golobos.com/sports/m-basebl/stats/2012-2013/teamcume.html

 

On the flip side, Carlos Rodon is looking more and more human this year. While there's still plenty of time until the 2014 draft, some people are starting to say we jumped the gun on calling him a no-brainer No. 1 overall pick for next year. His teammate, Trea Turner, also eligible in 2014, was looking electric before suffering a severe ankle sprain this weekend. He'll be out for a while.

[nate82]

nate82, Puk's profile was broken down in great detail in our Draft Focus feature on Friday. Interesting comparison to CC Sabathia was made by David Rawnsley who wrote the piece:

 

http://www.perfectgame.org/Articles/View.aspx?article=8103

 

 

The more I read about Puk the more I like about him. I am starting to like his pitching a little bit more and more. Also how nonathletic is he? He did play QB in HS. So he can not be that bad can he? I know his size may limit him on how athletic he will be but I am having my doubts on him being as bad as some scouts say he is athletically. Sure he is not going to be someone like Gomez or even Schafer but he can not be as bad as some scouts are making him out to be on the athletic side.

 

If Puk falls to the Brewers I will be very disappointed if the Brewers do not draft him. Even if he doesn't make it as a pitcher his bat should be enough that he can play just about anywhere on the field.

 

I love this article on him.

[colbyjack]

Glad you liked that story. It was written by Jeff Dahn, although I'm not sure why/how you found it on that site as that's one of our features (not to mention the picture, which I admit isn't the greatest, was taken by yours truly).

 

He's athletic and fluid as noted in that story, just slow.

[nate82]

Glad you liked that story. It was written by Jeff Dahn, although I'm not sure why/how you found it on that site as that's one of our features (not to mention the picture, which I admit isn't the greatest, was taken by yours truly).

 

He's athletic and fluid as noted in that story, just slow.

 

Hah didn't even notice it was written by Jeff Dahn then again I had a hard time even reading the article with the background and the text color that person chose but maybe that was on purpose.

 

The only question I have now is how committed is Puk to play for the Gators? Is it going to cost an early slot money to get him to not play for Florida?

[EdgarDiazRocks]

I didn't catch this kids name, but we watched his private workout at Maryvale and I wan't one.

 

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8090/8572753678_d09f63d4f0_z.jpg

[nate82]

I didn't catch this kids name, but we watched his private workout at Maryvale and I wan't one.

 

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8090/8572753678_d09f63d4f0_z.jpg

 

Bo Jacksons clone?

[jjgott]

Welp, guess now we don't really need to worry about any of the projected first rounders.

[TooLiveBrew]

Ouch.

[James Zumstein]

I guess I'll go ahead and ask. So, who does everybody like with the 53rd pick?

[Eye Black]

Dylan Covey should be available.

[colbyjack]

EDR, I've emailed a few people about that picture you posted, both within my own staff and outside, and have yet to come up with an answer for that mystery player you photographed. The reaction is almost immediate, and similar to yours, and the only thing we can deduce is that it's got to be a college guy, or a minor league free agent, since there's no way any high school kid could be that big.

 

As for the Brewers losing a pick, it sucks. The compensation system is still messed up if Kyle Lohse is effectively the same as a Type A free agent. However, the Cardinals astutely gambled by making the initial qualifying offer, Lohse declined, and eventually the Brewers bit. It's not that Lohse's contract is that out of hand of what pitchers like him make these days, but it is still incredibly worrisome.

 

That said, if the Brewers are in the playoff conversation come August I don't think I'll care, and will tip my cap to both the Brewers and Lohse if he's a significant contributor to a postseason push.

 

Alright, to the 54th (not 53rd, here's the order: http://www.perfectgame.org/Articles/View.aspx?article=8213) pick -- it's important to note that at least with the new rules the team's 2nd round pick is in the 50s and not in the 70s. AJ Puk, as discussed above, could still be in play, if he can be signed here (and keep in mind, losing the first round pick also loses a huge chunk of the allotted draft signing pool). Prep LHPs like Garrett Williams and Jonah Wesely could also be around here. There's a chance a few northern prep pitchers like Jake Brentz and Devin Williams were also available. College arms such as Kent Emanuel and Jeff Thompson could also be had here.

 

It doesn't take much creativity to think of some prep bats of value here. OFs Terry McClure and Anfernee Grier offer plenty of tools, as do college OFs Michael O'Neil and Jacob May. A variety of reasons will (or at least should/could) likely keep these players from sneaking into the 1st round.

 

Catcher Chris Okey and Brian Navarreto could also be available in this area. Puerto Rican SS Edwin Diaz is another name to remember, as is another prep OF with upside, William Abreu. Dustin Peterson, brother of one of the top prospects available, DJ Peterson of the U of New Mexico, could also go in this range, as could a player frequently compared to Brett Lawrie, Tyler O'Neill.

 

UC Santa Barbara SS Brandon Trinkwon reminds me a lot of Joe Panik every time I see him play, and could be a sleeper pick that may not be a household name to draftniks that carries significant value on draft day.