Milwaukee Bucks 2012/2013

[Eddiehitsthefoulpole]

This team is going to have a hard time scoring points, and a hard time stopping teams from scoring points. I doubt that they will make the payoffs.

[brwrsfan]

I can't see how they can possibly make the playoffs with the present roster. But they probably won't be as bad as I want....so stuck in the middle some more.

[yoshii8]

I think this was a big off-season for them, and so far they've made a bunch of lateral moves. It'd be pretty disappointing if this was there plan w/ all the open cap space.

[davego]

I see this team right now as "ok" on defense, but we will see much more zone and combo stuff than before. Scoring points could be a real issue and the obvious danger with that is BJ will end up trying to do that on his own.

[jjfanec]

Jennings to Detroit? Looks like it is going to happen. Jennings to Detroit and Milwaukee gets Brandon Knight, Khris Middleton, and Viacheslav Kravtsov.

 

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9522945/detroit-pistons-acquire-brandon-jennings-sign-trade-milwaukee-bucks-according-sources

[davego]

Good in the fact that what comes back doesn't require a major commitment of money. Knight and Luke will do ok. Still on fence of the lottery, but a couple on in-season trades can fix that.

[fondybrewfan]

Brandin Knight seems like a decent guy to get back. I have no idea who the other two guys are but it probably doesn't matter. Curious to see who will start; Knight or Ridnour.

[RockCoCougars]

Well, it looks like the tank proponents got their wish. We shall see... but to me, this looks like a mid 20 win team at best.

[Baldkin]

Well, it looks like the tank proponents got their wish. We shall see... but to me, this looks like a mid 20 win team at best.

 

You're failing to count just how bad 5 or 6 teams are in the league this year. They will get almost 20 wins off those teams alone. Teams who don't have guys anywhere near the talent level of Sanders and Ersan.

 

The Bucks apparently really liked Middleton, as a young 3 and D kind of possibility.

[rwa12]

Brandon Knight was a pretty decent return for Jennings, with the exception of Wall, probably the most talented PG Kentucky has had in awhile. He needs time to develop, and what better place than the land of no expectations?

[Outlander]

I like the trade mainly because the Pistons are probably better than them now. This roster is just a mess, throwing a bunch of middle of the road players together and hoping something good happens. Hopefully this season doesn't discourage Sanders and Henson too much because they will be bad.

[fondybrewfan]

Miami, New York, Brooklyn, Chicago, Indiana, Cleveland, and Detroit are all unquestionably better than the Bucks right and the Bucks could probably lose a race to the bottom against most of the other teams too. But Orlando and Charlotte are both really bad and probably have a lower bottom.

[Baldkin]

Miami, New York, Brooklyn, Chicago, Indiana, Cleveland, and Detroit are all unquestionably better than the Bucks right and the Bucks could probably lose a race to the bottom against most of the other teams too. But Orlando and Charlotte are both really bad and probably have a lower bottom.

 

You forgot Philly. Philly is going to be terrible. As is Phoenix, Utah and Sacramento out west.

 

Plus Boston could definitely be in the picture if they trade or hold out Rondo. So could the Lakers if they trade Gasol and Kobe shoots 57 times a game.

[TooLiveBrew]

Soo... thoughts on the Larry Sanders extension?

[sveumrules]

I personally don't think someone Garry Shandling's age/size will be able to hang with the big men in the current NBA. Typical Bucks move.

 

Love the move. I view it similar to the Gomez extension. Should be worth the deal on his defense alone and if he develops even a moderate amount of an offensive game it could be a real nice value.

[patrickgpe]

Soo... thoughts on the Larry Sanders extension?

 

love it. the way the NBA is these days the only way the bucks will ever succeed is to draft players like Larry, Hensen, Giannis (large upside), have them work out, and extend them. The reason why the bogut - ellis trade was dumb and short-sighted, is that they traded a player (while often injured) who was good when healthy and liked it here. While the jury is out on Knight, obviously he is not going to pull Jenning's crap while here.

 

Milwaukee is not for everyone. When they trade for players like Ellis who never wanted to be here, it affects the whole team's chemistry. One of the reasons they have been bad so far is that chemistry on this team has been awful.

 

While the 13-14 may not be great, i am confident that they will be fun to watch and have good chemistry. Giving the Ellis money to Larry was a great move.

[RockCoCougars]

I always worry when the Bucks give a big contract to a guy off a breakthrough season. Those generally haven't worked out very well for them over the years. That said, I'm on board with this one.

[rwa12]

Caron Butler in the mix, at least he wants to play here. This has to be the oddest assembled team that I can remember.

[Baldkin]

30 million in cap space and the Bucks end up with Carlos Delfino, Zaza Pachulia, Caron Butler and OJ Mayo.

 

HOOORAY!

 

Again, you couldn't have spend the extra 2-3 million on Teague?

[Outlander]

As a fan I am okay with them not getting Teague because they would be a better team with them and I really don't want them to be good this year. As a GM it was a bad move, he should have paid a little bit more for the guy they really wanted in Teague, all those other guys you mentioned with the possible exception of Mayo is just filler. Any confidence I had in the GM is now gone based on his off season where he didn't really have much of a plan and is doing his usual throw a bunch of stuff against the wall.

[rwa12]

This is just going to be an odd team to watch. A bunch of journeymen and young guys. Your marquee player is a defensive specialist. Your rookie is 2 years away from being ready to play, regardless if he plays or not. Your young talent is all basically the same. Tall, skinny defenders. Ilyasova and Mayo are third and fourth options on good teams. Not bad players, just not elite. Delfino is a rotation guy, Pachulia is past where his prime should have been, Knight is a lesser version of Jennings. This team could be Bobcats level bad. My guess is they'll be just scrappy enough to sit middle lottery.

[Baldkin]

There are really, really bad teams out there, and the Bucks defense will be too good to not win 30-35 games, which will put them mid-first-round again. Rather than middle of the lottery.

[CheezWizHed]

How would you compare Bogut and Sanders as players?

 

Off the cuff, I was thinking that Bogut was MUCH better offensively than Larry, but the more I thought about it, I'm not so sure. Bogut has career averages of 12.2 points, 9.2 Reb, 1.6 blocks. His peak was in 2009: 15.9, 10.2, 2.6.

 

Sanders last year was 9.5, 9.8, 2.8.

 

Now, generally, Bogut is a bigger center (260lbs vs 235; 7ft vs 6'11") and a better ball handler+passer. But I can see Sanders growing into a similar type impact player as Bogut and hopefully without the medical problems.

[Baldkin]

Bogut, before he got hurt, was about 47 steps above Larry offensively.

 

The year he went for 15.9 ppg was the year he got hurt. The year before, Bogut was even better offensively (not as many ppg, but a way higher shooting percentage) because he played with PG's who could get him the ball at the right time in the right spot in Ridnour and Sessions. Jennings never did that.

 

Also, Bogut had much better hands, and was a way, way, way better passer than Larry. Maybe that will come in time, but Bogut's court awareness was amazing on both ends.

[fondybrewfan]

Bogut has a much more refined low post game. Sanders points are mostly garbage, fast break, alley oop type stuff.

 

It will be refreshing watching a lot of young guys play next year but I expect to see a lot of 85-80 ugly games. And with so many new players it is impossible to know how they will play together. Maybe something could click or maybe it ends up like Jennings/Ellis all over again. I think their max wins are probably around 35-37 but they are more likely to end up around 30 which probably puts them around 5-7 in the lottery. In next years draft even that position should net a darn good players and maybe the lottery gods will look kindly upon them.