Milwaukee Bucks 2012/2013

[brwrsfan]

Ellis must really not like it here or thinks he can get 5-7 years. The fact that he turned down an extension in the 36/3 range is pretty absurd.

 

So Ellis is all but gone. What about the other two....? I'd almost rather keep Redick, at least he has a useable skillset. I wonder if they'll talk to Josh Smith now that we have Drew coaching, as we clearly tried to trade for him at the deadline as well.

[nate82]

Ellis must really not like it here or thinks he can get 5-7 years. The fact that he turned down an extension in the 36/3 range is pretty absurd.

 

So Ellis is all but gone. What about the other two....? I'd almost rather keep Redick, at least he has a useable skillset. I wonder if they'll talk to Josh Smith now that we have Drew coaching, as we clearly tried to trade for him at the deadline as well.

 

I believe the Bucks wanted Ellis as their option A and will go with Josh Smith as option B and if no one else is left will go with Redick as option C. I don't like it but it is what is going to happen. I would rather see the Bucks just tear everything down and trade Jennings for a draft pick or two. I still like the idea of trading with Dallas and getting a pick this year and possibly one next year.

[jjfanec]

This is great news for the Bucks. If they could some how do a sign and trade with Ellis that would be great but I am happy to have him out of the picture. Now let Jennings move on and start the rebuild.

[Baldkin]

Now that Ellis is no longer under contract, the idiotic Bucks can offer him a 4 year deal (which is the maximum number of years a team can offer a free agent, the new CBA prevented them from offering more than 2 additional years onto his current deal).

 

I wish they would just decide to suck this season. This FA class is horrible, and the draft class is loaded. Go young, for once.

 

Instead, they'll sign a 30 year old wing and hope he plays better than he ever has in his career. Welcome to Milwaukee, Iguadola.

[RockCoCougars]

I'm not torn up about Ellis, as he played pretty poorly last year outside of that one stretch after the all star game. It will be interesting to see what happens to him on the open market... he may get a reality check. I really hope that the Bucks don't overpay Redick now.

[nate82]

I'm not torn up about Ellis, as he played pretty poorly last year outside of that one stretch after the all star game. It will be interesting to see what happens to him on the open market... he may get a reality check. I really hope that the Bucks don't overpay Redick now.

 

I wouldn't be surprised to see Ellis back with the Bucks for next year at a rather highly inflated contract.

[CheezWizHed]

Anyone think that I'm crazy for wanting Eillis back as PG and ship out Jennings? One unexpected outcome of the Reddick trade was that Ellis played more PG and honestly, sounded like he did pretty well at it. (I don't actually get to watch the games, but listen to some and follow the commentary)

 

That would be contingent on him coming back on a reasonable contract of course...

 

Thoughts?

[fondybrewfan]

I probably would be fine having either Jennings or Ellis back; just not both. They are both chuckers but at least Ellis can finish around the rim. If they could get a solid PG in the draft I would be OK bring Ellis back in. Too bad we probably won't be in a position for Michael Carter-Williams.

[FVBrewerFan]

I think it's a little unfair to call out Ellis and especially Jennings for beinf chuckers. Look at the surrounding cast. Shot clock is going down and you have great offensive options like Sanders, The Prince, etc. Even guys like Dunleavy and Reddick can't really creat their own shot very well. Sure, Ellis will be a bit of a chuck no matter what. But I think if he played point, he could reign in his shots when he's not hot. Jennings has already proven that throughout his young career. He has no problem taking a back-seat scoring wise, it's just that in a lot of games there aren't many other options.

 

I kind of like Monta at point, I wouldn't want him back at the two. My first preference would be Jennings, as long as it isn't a huge contract. And I think that still might be posible, because I just don't see anyone offering him a mega-deal. He's still very young, and could be the #2 or #3 best player on a legit contender. The problem, of course, is that it's very hard to see where a true #1 will come from.

[Baldkin]

To say they aren't chuckers is laughable.

 

Here is the list of guys who had a true shooting percentage below 53%, who took more than 15 shots per game and played at least 60 games:

 

DeMar DeRozan 52.3

Al Jefferson 52.2

J.R. Smith 52.2

Kemba Walker 51.7

Brandon Jennings 51.0

Josh Smith 50.1

Jrue Holiday 49.6

Rudy Gay 49.4

Monta Ellis 49.3

 

So, they were the WORST and 5th WORST shooters who took more than 15 shots per game in the league. Calling them anything but chuckers is doing a disservice to chuckers everywhere.

 

Also, it's been 4 years for Jennings. He still thinks the pick 'n roll involves dribbling towards half court instead of attacking the defense, can't go right, ever, and can't make a shot in the lane. 4 years and he is no better than he was as a rookie.

[brwrsfan]

Latest rumor I saw (not a great source so it's probably nothing) but it was Jennings in a sign and trade to Indiana for Danny Granger.

 

Regardless of rumors that actually make sense, I'm pretty confident that Hammond will screw up pretty much 95% of the off season.

[sveumrules]

Obviously not related to the Milwaukee Bucks as it pertains to an NBA Finals game, but did anyone see Game 6 last night? Just an exhilarating game all around. Hope San Antonio has enough left in the tank for Game 7. You think the guys on both teams are spending all day getting pumped full of HGH for the last game of the year?

[brwrsfan]

It was a great game, despite who won. I still think Miami got away with a definite foul on Ginobli with 5 seconds left. Allen smacked him across the arms clear as day without a whistle. The Bosh/Green play at the end is called a foul 95% of the time if it's not at the buzzer like that too.

 

I despise the Heat and what they stand for, so I'm pretty disappointed...I don't see how Miami doesn't win game 7 at this point. Hope I'm wrong.

[MJLiverock]

To say they aren't chuckers is laughable.

 

Here is the list of guys who had a true shooting percentage below 53%, who took more than 15 shots per game and played at least 60 games:

 

DeMar DeRozan 52.3

Al Jefferson 52.2

J.R. Smith 52.2

Kemba Walker 51.7

Brandon Jennings 51.0

Josh Smith 50.1

Jrue Holiday 49.6

Rudy Gay 49.4

Monta Ellis 49.3

 

So, they were the WORST and 5th WORST shooters who took more than 15 shots per game in the league. Calling them anything but chuckers is doing a disservice to chuckers everywhere.

Had to laugh to myself at seeing your list and realizing one of the options being rumored is the Bucks may try to replace Ellis or Jennings with Josh Smith. They do realize they don't have to shop off of this list of players right?

[craigharmann]

Hope San Antonio has enough left in the tank for Game 7.

 

As a former Bucks fan who lives in San Antonio and is a Spurs fan, that was an amazing game. Amazing in the fact that I'm jumping up and down, trying to urge the Spurs to win while not wake my sleeping daughters, and I think I expended as much energy as the guys on the court. Both teams are tough, and very evenly matched. I'm hoping that the precedent of the Spurs winning the odd numbered games hold true, but it will be amazing tomorrow. Win or lose, I'm proud of my Spurs. Winning would be better, as I'd get to go to a river parade!

[FVBrewerFan]

To say they aren't chuckers is laughable.

 

Here is the list of guys who had a true shooting percentage below 53%, who took more than 15 shots per game and played at least 60 games:

 

DeMar DeRozan 52.3

Al Jefferson 52.2

J.R. Smith 52.2

Kemba Walker 51.7

Brandon Jennings 51.0

Josh Smith 50.1

Jrue Holiday 49.6

Rudy Gay 49.4

Monta Ellis 49.3

 

So, they were the WORST and 5th WORST shooters who took more than 15 shots per game in the league. Calling them anything but chuckers is doing a disservice to chuckers everywhere.

 

Also, it's been 4 years for Jennings. He still thinks the pick 'n roll involves dribbling towards half court instead of attacking the defense, can't go right, ever, and can't make a shot in the lane. 4 years and he is no better than he was as a rookie.

 

Yea, and a lot of the players on that list are in the same position as Jennings/Ellis. That is, someone on the team needs to provide the offense. For example, if Jennings was on the Heat or Spurs do you honestly think he would take that many shots? Of course not. These guys are all a product of their environment to some degree.

[Baldkin]

If Jennings was on the Spurs he'd never see the floor as he can't run a pick 'n roll and takes dumb shots too often.

 

Both Jennings and Ellis shot below league average early in the shot clock and took the majority of their shots early in the shot clock (0 to 15 seconds).

This idea that 'someone needs to score' is pretty silly. If either of them could create for their teammates they wouldn't need to take so many shots.

 

Someone needs to score for the Clippers, that didn't stop Chris Paul from having a 60% TS%.

[FVBrewerFan]

Well, I'm not pretending Jennings is as good of a player as Chris Paul. I also never said playing on a bad team/ limited offensive players was the ONLY reason for Jennings/Ellis poor shooting %. But you're saying it's not a factor at all? Again, with Ellis, maybe I would buy that. But I honestly believe Jennings could be more of a true PG with more offensive weapons around him. He has shown willingness to do that in a whole lot of games over his career.

[rwa12]

Jennings is willing to dish, but he doesn't seem to excel at the prevalent offense at the moment. He can't run a pick and roll. Everyone is trying to run multiple hybrids of a pick and roll offense. This is going to be a problem for him. He maybe fun to watch in a D'Antoni type offense, where the game is in transition, and speed is all that matters. Other than that, he will struggle. This could be a new era of suckitude for the Bucks. If BJ, Ellis and JJ all leave, they have nothing. Ilyasova, Sanders, and the like are complimentary pieces. They need an Alpha dog, and I don't see a good one available to them that is an upgrade from what they had. If there was ever a season to tank, this is it.

[fondybrewfan]

They aren't going anywhere this year even if all three of them were to somehow come back. The draft is absolutely loaded next year. If you get a Andrew Wiggins, Marcus Smart, Jabari Parker, or any of the other Top #5-7 guys we can improve our team very quickly. I would say there are atleast 5 guys in the draft next year that would be drafted #1 this year.

 

I really like Sanders, Henson, and Ersan. They are sold long term pieces. But this team is badly in need of an all star calibur player. Ellis, Jennings, and redick are not all star calibur players.

 

The Bucks and every other team in NBA purgatory has to be looking at the 2014 draft class and drooling. No NBA team is going to come out and say they are going to tank; but at some point the GM has to realize the talent in 2014 is worth losing some games over. If redick, Ellis, and Jennings all leave I don't see anyway we couldn't be one of the worst teams in the league. Drafting a star like Wiggins or Parker could instantly save the franchise and keep them in MIL.

[brwrsfan]

Fondy, I completely agree with everything you said.

 

I really, really hope the Bucks are smart enough to realize that no matter what happens this off season (barring a miracle), this team is a 7-8 seed in a best case scenario. I HOPE all three of them leave, we draft a PG this year, let him start, let the young guys play (and probably suck) and bank on a top 5 pick. If we can somehow acquire another first round pick next year, that would be great too, as the draft will be absolutely loaded, even if the second pick is in the teens or twenties.

 

Sadly, the Bucks have proven to be run by idiots. We'll probably overpay for one of those guys and if not, we'll overpay for Josh Smith or whomever and wind up mediocre again, with no shot at a true stud player this team so desperately needs.

[patrickgpe]

I week till the draft, looking at mock drafts I am thinking:

 

#15 - want CJ McCollum, predicting Dennis Schroeder

#43, i'll predict James Southerland, want Ray McCallum

[brwrsfan]

I'm sorta hoping for Larkin at 15 or maybe Muhammed. We'll blow it either way I'm sure.

[fondybrewfan]

I wouldn't mind if you could trade up to get Carter-Williams but only if we trade players not draft picks.

 

If we stay 15 then it is anyones guess but I have to imagine they go PG or SG. Larkin wouldn't be a bad option but the talent from 10-20 this year seems really weak. And basically none of the mock drafts agree on who the Bucks will take. Its anyones guess

[TooLiveBrew]

I'm not very familiar with Larkin, but if the talent pool in that 10-20 range is in fact weak, then at least you know you are getting a player with one elite tool (speed). I sure hope the Bucks can trade up... or at least not trade away picks.