Brewers new top 10?

[paul253]

After the recent draft and obviously trade of Greinke, what does the Brewers new top 10 prospects list look like? I have to imagine Segura is the new top positional player but is he the top overall? I'd rank it something like this:

 

1) Thornburg

2) Segura

3) Peralta

4) Hellweg

5) Gennett

6) Jungmann

7) Bradley

8) Schafer

9) Coulter

10) Pena

 

Having left out guys like Roache, Nelson, Burgos, McFarland, Khris Davis, Morris and Tyrone Taylor this system certainly looks a lot better now than it did a year ago. Still no real elite prospects but certainly much deeper. Hopefully in next years draft they'll have a top ten pick and can get that elite prospect.

[BrewersAA]

Mine would look a little different:

1) Segura (everything Ive read says hes better than anyone we had)

2) Nelson (if healthy.... any updates?)

3) Thornburg

4) Peralta

5) Jungmann

6) Roache

7) Bradely

8) Morris

9) Gennett

10) Mark Rogers

 

This is actually tough towards the back, I think the system took a really step forward last year and a big step forward this year. I think Tyrone Taylor deserves to be in the top ten, and two years ago the same kid might have been in the top five of our system. I am very tempted to put Khris Davis at that ten spot, that last two weeks have convinced me that he is a big leaguer. Speaking for KhD does he have the arm to play right?

[jjfanec]

I dont see any reason Bradley should be ahead of Hellweg or Pena

 

1. Segura

2. Thornburg

3. Peralta

4. Hellweg

5. Nelson

6. Gennett

7. Jungmann

8. Pena

9. Roache

10 Burgos

 

Next group - Taylor, Schafer, Morris, Coulter. Khris and Kentrail Davis, Rogers, McFarland

[narwhalattack]

1. Segura

2. Nelson

3. Peralta

4. Thornburg

5. Hellweg

6. Roache

7. Morris

8. Pena

9. Jungmann

10. Bradley

 

I'm pretty low on Jungmann and Bradley. Jungmann because even though he's a safer prospect, he doesn't strike out many guys and has a tendency to get hit around pretty often. He's more of a #4 starter, albeit he has a high probability of reaching that ceiling which is pretty valuable in itself. Bradley was more of the "upside" pick of the first round of the 2011 draft, as he was supposed to have a low-90s fastball and a plus slider(which is very good for a lefty). However he's taken a step backwards as his velocity took a dip and his strikeout rate has plummeted as of late. If this was last year it would have been likely that he's been going through a dead-arm period, but this late in the season one has to wonder if this is a more serious problem.

 

Also, I was pretty tempted to put Tyrone Taylor in the top 10, but I want to see if his success will last as he faces higher-level competition. I'll wait until he gets to low-A.

[splitterpfj]

Not only do the Brewers have a solid Top 10 again, but they have more than 10 guys who are worthy of consideration.

 

1. Segura

2. Peralta

3. Thornburg

4. Nelson

5. Pena

6. Hellweg

7. Burgos

8. Gennett

9. Jungmann

10. Bradley

[SRB]

Mine would be:

 

1) Jean Segura (SS)

2) Tyler Thornburg (SP)

3) Taylor Jungmann (SP)

4) Wily Peralta (SP)

5) Jimmy Nelson (SP)

6) Jed Bradley (SP)

7) Johnny Hellweg (SP)

8) Victor Roache (OF)

9) Hunter Morris (1B)

10) Khris Davis (OF)

 

I don't know how to rank Mark Rogers, he is a mystery.

[BrewersAA]

Not only do the Brewers have a solid Top 10 again, but they have more than 10 guys who are worthy of consideration.

 

I completely agree with this statement!

[JackNicholson1974]

I would love, LOVE to see a new Power 50. Whaddya say guys?

[narwhalattack]

I'm very excited about some of the pitchers the Brewers have so far. In recent history they have miserably failed to develop pitchers, but if guys like Hellweg, Nelson, Pena, Thornburg, Jungmann, and Peralta develop into solid ML pitchers, then that would a huge success.

[jjfanec]

I'm very excited about some of the pitchers the Brewers have so far. In recent history they have miserably failed to develop pitchers, but if guys like Hellweg, Nelson, Pena, Thornburg, Jungmann, and Peralta develop into solid ML pitchers, then that would a huge success.

 

Dont forget to throw Fiers in there, since he is young as well. Burgos is another guy who could be added to that list and you have guys like Bucci and Scarpetta coming back from injuries

[TooLiveBrew]

I am very tempted to put Khris Davis at that ten spot, that last two weeks have convinced me that he is a big leaguer. Speaking for KhD does he have the arm to play right?

Reportedly, no. It's unfortunate, but I agree with you... he's looking more & more like a big-league bat.

[BrewersAA]

Dang, you'd love to have a spot for the young man, but I dont see left field opening up anytime soon... Somebody in Huntsville should hand him a thirdbaseman's glove, he appears athletic enough to maybe handle the hot corner. Also, he must have shortened up his swing, cause I dont know how he could be having the success hes having at the level hes having it if he still had the big long loopy swing he had at wis, i wouldnt doubt the power if he had the same swing but there's no way his average would/could be around the .300 level like it is. Maybe i am getting too excited over a small sample size. Any notes from anyone who's seen him this year?

[TooLiveBrew]

Well his L/R splits to this point are pretty extreme, but v. RH isn't exactly shabby at .870... it's just that it pales compared to a stratospheric 1.640 v. LH! And I don't think it's fair to say you're getting excited over a small sample, Khris has hit his entire pro career. This isn't a one-season breakout (like Burgos, or Morris).

 

I like to think we're a pretty objective community within the MiLB forum, so I'm sure others like you & I have been trying to find that 'catch' as to why we shouldn't be super-excited about Khris... but there just doesn't seem to be one. I guess the fact that there's some guy named Braun playing LF in Milwaukee for the next 10 years or so is one reason to temper enthusiasm about Davis, but you just find a spot for a bat like that if Kh keeps raking.

[BrewersAA]

you're right, he has hit and hit and hit. I guess what worried me was the AA call-up last year and how he struggled. I got that "there it is, hes finally been exposed" feeling. So, for him to encore like this is getting me really excited. I can think of so many players that have just messed with me over the years lol. Solome, hendrickson, capellan, de la rosa, parra, nelson, krenzyl (or however you spell it). I wont even get into some of the recent ones *cough* Heckathorn *cough* (though i still have hope).

[SRB]

I am very tempted to put Khris Davis at that ten spot, that last two weeks have convinced me that he is a big leaguer. Speaking for KhD does he have the arm to play right?

Reportedly, no. It's unfortunate, but I agree with you... he's looking more & more like a big-league bat.

I don't see how a player can play LF, but doesn't have the skills to play RF. Maybe his arm makes him a slightly worse defender (relative to MLB average) in RF, but clearly his main tool is the bat anyways so who cares about defense. Corey Hart is a below-average RF too.

[TooLiveBrew]

I think you're right, overall SRB. And if it came down to not having a spot for Khris, or playing a weaker arm in RF, I'd play the bat... er, weaker arm. Davis would probably cover more ground than Hart.

[FVBrewerFan]

Any reason Brzun cant be moved to RF? He has a good arm. Heck Aoki is playing RF this year, and possibly next. He doesnt exactly have a cannon.

[Mass Haas]

Not only do the Brewers have a solid Top 10 again, but they have more than 10 guys who are worthy of consideration.

 

1. Burgos

2. Peralta

3. Thornburg

4. Nelson

5. Pena

6. Hellweg

7. Burgos

8. Gennett

9. Jungmann

10. Bradley

 

Hiram's forum buddy posts here and sneaks his way as an extra Burgos into the top ten!

[TooLiveBrew]

It's obviously because Burgos has just been that good this season, duhhhh

[nate82]

My top 10:

 

 

1. Thornburg

2. Segura

3. Nelson

4. Peralta

5. Gennett

6. Taylor

7. Jungmann

8. Hellweg

9. Pena

10. Burgos or Roache

[3and2Fastball]

Just how weak is Davis' arm? I mean, is it Johnny Damon bad? Nyjer Morgan has a pretty weak arm and he's played in RF several times. Aoki doesn't exactly have a lazer beam gun either

[CheezWizHed]

There were reports that he was too weak to play LF even... That was pretty early. I believe he had some surgery issue early on. BTW, welcome to the KH bandwagon everyone.

 

I would think Braun could play RF or perhaps Khris will move to 1B.

 

As for the "user P50", I'm still going to hold off until mid-August (as I planned) so we can see these guys a couple weeks in the system.

[HiAndTight]

I dont see any reason Bradley should be ahead of Hellweg or Pena

 

1. Segura

2. Thornburg

3. Peralta

4. Hellweg

5. Nelson

6. Gennett

7. Jungmann

8. Pena

9. Roache

10 Burgos

 

Next group - Taylor, Schafer, Morris, Coulter. Khris and Kentrail Davis, Rogers, McFarland

 

 

So you don't have Bradley, a big, physical lefty who has great stuff, but isn't as refined as college pitcher should be, and who was projected early last year as a top 5-8 pick....not inside your top 18 for Brewers prospects?

 

I see a lot of reasons Bradley should be rated ahead of those two, though ultimately it comes down to opinion. But leaving him out all together I think is insane.

 

 

Anyway, people may disagree with mine just as much;

 

1-Segura-Obviously....He's the guy, a SS who could hit .280/.320/.450 with 35 or so SB's and solid defense. Maybe he can improve his OBP and BA.

2-Nelson-98 MPH fastball, best slider, and a developing change for a GB pitcher, has TOR type potential.

3-Thornburg-Little case of dead arm isn't going to deter me.

4-Peralta-Revival is awesome. The last month has been great.

5-Rogers-Had a great outing tonight, and who knows if he will be able to continue it, but man...he looked like he could ACTUALLY be a good big league pitcher. LIke...a #1/2 type pitcher. I'll bet best years are a 2/3 ish, but still. He was locating, that slider set everything up and his curve? And like Peralta, he had a great second half.

6-Orlando Arcia-Laugh all you want, he's 17, out for the year, but I don't care. I think he could be the future SS while Segura moves over to SS.

7-Hellweg-Has great stuff, just needs to harness it. If he doesn't, should be a great closer. I think we got a star SS and at worst two dominant relievers, and possibly a 2/3 starter and a 3/4 starter, both of whom are power pitchers.

8-Junnman/Bradley-I'm just going to put both of these together in the same ranking until they distinguish themselves.

9-Hunter Morris-He finally has won me over. Is he really going to be a well above average big league 1st basemen? He just keeps on raking in AA.

10-Scooter Gennett-Love the kid, I've loved him from the get go, but I think it's time we try him at 3rd base and at SS like we did with Farris. I think maybe he's a utility guy in the future.

 

Next in line

-Yadiel Rivera-SS-Could have been there with Arcia, but I like Arcia's upside more.

-Roache-30 Hr's as a soph in college with the new bats tells me he's got big time power. Until I see something though, the last I know of him is he's a potential RF'er who strikes out a lot and hits for a lot of power.

-McFarland- I literally had him in the top 5 to begin with, but with so many pitchers who throw in the mid 90's with good stuff, even if they're raw, I couldn't justify it.

-Gian Rizzo-Just don't know what to make of him, but he just DOMINATES. He's a stud...

-Burgos...just because he having Fiers like success, doesn't mean he's quite Fiers yet.

-Manzanillo When you throw 100 with a 92 MPH slider, you should get some mention.

-Brooks Hall I still think he's going to be a Gallardo type pitcher, it'll just take him longer to develop.

 

 

I don't know, there are a dozen more. Coultier, Hangier, Reed, Haydel(only one who's gonna mention him in their top 30-40 most likely). Wooten, Henderson, Schafer/Gamel/Green/Gindl...I put them in slightly different groupings...

[HiAndTight]

There were reports that he was too weak to play LF even... That was pretty early. I believe he had some surgery issue early on. BTW, welcome to the KH bandwagon everyone.

 

I would think Braun could play RF or perhaps Khris will move to 1B.

 

As for the "user P50", I'm still going to hold off until mid-August (as I planned) so we can see these guys a couple weeks in the system.

 

 

Yeah, I just had a mess of my list and that was just a top 10. Do we just throw a couple pitchers into out top couple because they were the Angels 4 and 10 prospects before the season?

 

TOTALLY forgot about Garfield....and Tyrone Taylor.

 

Which by the way...I'm not even sure where to place the two and I'm too ignorant about the DSL players other than Rizzo..who I'm ignorant about, but when you're that dominant I'll go on faith.

 

 

Bottom line, to make a legit list, you need to really sit back and spend time, move guys around, think about it, think about their position, ceiling....and of course there is the ceiling vs how close they are debate. Does Clint Coultier and Roache rank above Khris Davis? IMO they probably should just given their pure talent.

 

 

And the BIGGEST problem with our system is we've got 6-8 guys that you KNOW are the top guys, and then the gap between 10-30 doesn't seem to be that big of a difference.

[HiAndTight]

I'm very excited about some of the pitchers the Brewers have so far. In recent history they have miserably failed to develop pitchers, but if guys like Hellweg, Nelson, Pena, Thornburg, Jungmann, and Peralta develop into solid ML pitchers, then that would a huge success.

 

 

Lets say Fiers deceptive deliver and who can actually keep hitters off balance with his array of pitches, and fantastic command and can follow D'Amico's path as he has as a rookie, but perhaps is a tick better after his first time around, I think he could be a legit 3.

 

Of all the other guys, guys like Nelson, Thornburg, Rogers(who looked VERY good tonight...just..baffled as to how good he can be), there's Jungman, Bradley...well, and 6-7 other legit pitching prospects..if we can get lucky enough to fine an ace in that group, it changes the Brewers entire future moving forward obviously, in an extreme way.

 

 

Plus, I still honestly think that with all the money that'll be coming off our roster, and virtually no roster spots to replace except for maybe a few BP arms(though I like what we have with Axford, and you just never know where the rest of your BP will come from. I think Estrada returns to his swing spot, Henderson looks more than capable of filling a spot, Loe should be back, and then you really just need to try and find a Balfour type guy and simply hope that Veras and Parra have up years next year instead of struggling.

 

 

But as always, you try and get as many pitchers in your system who have the upside of 1 or 2, you just hope that you get one out of every 10 to actually develop into the ace and maybe a couple can develop into solid inning eaters and a couple others hopefully develop into good relievers.

 

You get 3-4 pitchers out of 10-12 who are reliable producers for us and I think you're lucky to have that. But who knows, maybe we'll get lucky and hit on Rogers, who again looked great, Fiers who has looked fantastic, Peralta, Hellweg ends up being power arm who can throw 190 or so innings as a #3/4 and so on. Again, we could sure use the luck.