Now that we moved Zack will there be anyone else?

[Brewcrewin07]

I don't understand people wanting to trade Hart and Ramirez?? Do none of you care about winning the next couple of years?? or would you be happy losing close to 100 games?? Wow.

[3and2Fastball]

I don't understand people wanting to trade Hart and Ramirez?? .

 

Hart will be a free agent after the 2013 season. Ramirez is overpaid (or, will be very overpaid in '13 & '14) and that money could be better spent in other places.

 

Trading both of them could bring back some very good players. It is extremely unlikely that the Brewers will trade Hart or Ramirez at this time

[BrewersAA]

dont care about winning with them the next couple years, no.

[Wanderoos24]

It's called the small market cycle. Go for it for a couple of years then trade guys with value. I would trade A-Ram now while he is hot and get some close to ready prospects, dump some more salary so we can get some players with manageable contracts and then fill in the rest of the roster with quality free agents. I still believe that we have a legit shot at resigning Zack if we can shed some more salaries before seasons end, and that starts with A-Ram.

[Brewcrewin07]

I don't understand people wanting to trade Hart and Ramirez?? .

 

Hart will be a free agent after the 2013 season. Ramirez is overpaid (or, will be very overpaid in '13 & '14) and that money could be better spent in other places.

 

Trading both of them could bring back some very good players. It is extremely unlikely that the Brewers will trade Hart or Ramirez at this time

 

Major league ready players, as good as those two already are currently?? Because if not, you aren't getting their proper value. And if you are getting players that aren't as good, you aren't going to win as much. No thanks. too many here it seems look at youth and "manageable contracts". Yet, it's not our $$$ so who really cares how Mark A spends HIS $$$?? I'd be far more inclined as a fan, to go to the ball park when the team has some "stars" and win ball games, then I would be to go and watch some youth "develop" and lose 90 games a year for a couple years. Why do you think attendance has been 3 million plus?? Because the team has been successful. Not as many wins= not as many fans, that's simple logic. And with not as many fans, comes not as much revenue. With not as much revenue, comes a lessor payroll, which means a lesser talented team. It's all relative.

 

So to say shedding contracts means attracting better Free agents. Not necessarily, because if big $$$ guys see talent that is below par, and don't feel they will win in Milwaukee, they won't come. The higher your payroll, the better the talent(usually, unless your a complete idiot of an owner), the better players get paid more. The better players are more talented, the better players means more wins.

 

Is it really that hard to grasp??

[ninja33]

sounds like Kottaras is going to the A's.

 

Source: #Brewers close to trading George Kottaras to #Athletics.

[SRB]

sounds like Kottaras is going to the A's.

 

Source: #Brewers close to trading George Kottaras to #Athletics.

Great news. Who cares what we get back, anything > nothing.

[ninja33]

I don't expect Hart or Ramirez to be traded unless Melvin is blown away by an offer, and I don't see that happening. I know a lot of people are hoping (myself included) for a Zach Lee/Ramirez swap....but it's worth noting that the Dodgers balked at trading Allen Webster for Dempster. I don't know if Lee is really a feasible target for Ramirez.

 

And I'm perfectly fine with that approach, they don't NEED to trade either of those guys right now. Wait til the offseason and see how the rotation is shaping up. If it's going to be Gallardo and a bunch of rookies, then you're probably not feeling that great about 2013 and you look to deal those guys to set up 2014. But maybe Marcum comes back on the one year qualifying offer (if healthy), maybe all of our dreams come true and Greinke decides to come back. Maybe Melvin does something else to shore up the rotation. Either way, the bullpen needs to be fixed (and can be done so cheaply, so long as Axford can become a closer again). But they don't need to trade Ramirez or Hart until they see how the 2013 roster is shaping up in the offseason.

[brewmann04]

I would think Ramirez getting hot now might be able to get us at least one too prospect.

[narwhalattack]

I don't understand people wanting to trade Hart and Ramirez?? .

 

Hart will be a free agent after the 2013 season. Ramirez is overpaid (or, will be very overpaid in '13 & '14) and that money could be better spent in other places.

 

Trading both of them could bring back some very good players. It is extremely unlikely that the Brewers will trade Hart or Ramirez at this time

 

Major league ready players, as good as those two already are currently?? Because if not, you aren't getting their proper value. And if you are getting players that aren't as good, you aren't going to win as much. No thanks. too many here it seems look at youth and "manageable contracts". Yet, it's not our $$$ so who really cares how Mark A spends HIS $$$?? I'd be far more inclined as a fan, to go to the ball park when the team has some "stars" and win ball games, then I would be to go and watch some youth "develop" and lose 90 games a year for a couple years. Why do you think attendance has been 3 million plus?? Because the team has been successful. Not as many wins= not as many fans, that's simple logic. And with not as many fans, comes not as much revenue. With not as much revenue, comes a lessor payroll, which means a lesser talented team. It's all relative.

 

So to say shedding contracts means attracting better Free agents. Not necessarily, because if big $$$ guys see talent that is below par, and don't feel they will win in Milwaukee, they won't come. The higher your payroll, the better the talent(usually, unless your a complete idiot of an owner), the better players get paid more. The better players are more talented, the better players means more wins.

 

Is it really that hard to grasp??

 

And eventually they'll be free agents and at best they get sandwich picks. Without good prospects but with Hart and A-Ram the Brewers may win around 82 games, but with a stocked farm system they'll have a young roster a few years from now and most of these guys will be around for years. Why have a chance of winning for 2 years when you get a chance to win for several years with a stocked farm system? Sure, some of the guys in the minors may not pan out, but what other choice do the Brewers have if they're trying to supply the major league roster with quality players? They're not the Yankees so they can't buy a Mark Teixiera or a CC Sabathia at will, and they certainly aren't gonna go anywhere if they continue to fill the roster with Suppans and Loopers and Izturises. Sure, they MAY have a shot at resigning Hart and A-Ram, but they have other players to worry about as well. They're gonna pay Braun until 2020, Yo is still very young and it would be very nice to have him around for a while, Weeks may have a down year this year but we've all seen what he's capable of, Lucroy's gonna be here for a while, and at the end of the day it may be a little too difficult financially to keep Hart and A-Ram long term.

 

With prospects, in the short term things may be pretty difficult, but the long-term rewards may be tremendous.

[Brewcrewin07]

And eventually they'll be free agents and at best they get sandwich picks. Without good prospects but with Hart and A-Ram the Brewers may win around 82 games, but with a stocked farm system they'll have a young roster a few years from now and most of these guys will be around for years. Why have a chance of winning for 2 years when you get a chance to win for several years with a stocked farm system? Sure, some of the guys in the minors may not pan out, but what other choice do the Brewers have if they're trying to supply the major league roster with quality players? They're not the Yankees so they can't buy a Mark Teixiera or a CC Sabathia at will, and they certainly aren't gonna go anywhere if they continue to fill the roster with Suppans and Loopers and Izturises. Sure, they MAY have a shot at resigning Hart and A-Ram, but they have other players to worry about as well. They're gonna pay Braun until 2020, Yo is still very young and it would be very nice to have him around for a while, Weeks may have a down year this year but we've all seen what he's capable of, Lucroy's gonna be here for a while, and at the end of the day it may be a little too difficult financially to keep Hart and A-Ram long term.

 

With prospects, in the short term things may be pretty difficult, but the long-term rewards may be tremendous.

 

 

But isn't the idea to win EVERY year?? And to put yourself in the best position to do so?? At least at the start of the year?? I guess playing sports my whole life, I'm a competitor. Even as a fan. I HATE losing. Hate it. That's why I have never understood Bucks fans wanting to see them tank and get a higher draft pick, rather than get into the playoffs as the 8 seed. It's about winning games. Period. It should be for the Brewers right now too, even though they aren't playing for anything the rest of the year.

[jjfanec]

But isn't the idea to win EVERY year?? And to put yourself in the best position to do so?? At least at the start of the year?? I guess playing sports my whole life, I'm a competitor. Even as a fan. I HATE losing. Hate it. That's why I have never understood Bucks fans wanting to see them tank and get a higher draft pick, rather than get into the playoffs as the 8 seed. It's about winning games. Period. It should be for the Brewers right now too, even though they aren't playing for anything the rest of the year.

 

The goal is to win championships not to be .500 or to get blown out in a 1/8 series in the NBA. The Brewers have made the playoffs twice now so that just getting close to the playoffs isnt the goal. The goal should be to consistently be a top team with a chance to win the WS. The Bucks goal should be to win playoff series and being the 7 or 8 seed doesnt really make that likely

[paul253]

It's about winning games. Period.

I mean seriously, what difference does it make if you go 80-82 or 76-86? Are you really willing to pass on upgrading your farm system, and with it your future, so you can finish 11 games out of first place as opposed to 15 games? Everyone wants to win, but at some point it becomes apparent that this team aint making the playoffs. So rather than forge ahead why not utilize your trade assets to improve the future and hopefully win more later?

 

I really hope that in two or three years when Pena, Hellweg and Segura are all contributors on this team that I remember to send you a message reminding you that you didn't even want these guys because you preferred to have Zack Greinke start 10 more games and then leave (and yes I know you want to re-sign him but if it isn't clear as day to you that he wasn't going to re-sign then there's no point in even debating with you).

[narwhalattack]

And eventually they'll be free agents and at best they get sandwich picks. Without good prospects but with Hart and A-Ram the Brewers may win around 82

But isn't the idea to win EVERY year?? And to put yourself in the best position to do so?? At least at the start of the year?? I guess playing sports my whole life, I'm a competitor. Even as a fan. I HATE losing. Hate it. That's why I have never understood Bucks fans wanting to see them tank and get a higher draft pick, rather than get into the playoffs as the 8 seed. It's about winning games. Period. It should be for the Brewers right now too, even though they aren't playing for anything the rest of the year.

 

Except that they can't keep supplying themselves with top major league players. THEY ARE NOT THE YANKEES!!! As a mid-market team, at some point they're gonna lose major league players, and at that point they have to hope that some top prospects will pan out and turn into above-average players. They're not gonna be able to buy talented major league players year after year after year. Look at the Rays. They don't buy their way into contention, but rather keep restocking the farm system and develop their prospects well. And eventually they get talented players to fill out the roster and they compete.

[BrewersAA]

But isn't the idea to win EVERY year?? And to put yourself in the best position to do so?? At least at the start of the year?? I guess playing sports my whole life, I'm a competitor. Even as a fan. I HATE losing. Hate it. That's why I have never understood Bucks fans wanting to see them tank and get a higher draft pick, rather than get into the playoffs as the 8 seed. It's about winning games. Period. It should be for the Brewers right now too, even though they aren't playing for anything the rest of the year.

 

EXACTLY the idea is to win EVERY year!! You've got it! the best way for a small market team to do that is to develop young talent and keep a consistent stream of young affordable talent. The reason the Brewers are in the position they are in now is because they saw a window and traded away good young talent. Imagine when Gallardo's contract is coming up and we can just insert the next Gallardo at a fraction of the cost and then we get to sell Gallardo for more good young talent to keep that pipeline going.

 

Oh, and then the team will have the money to lock up the occasional superstar long term that they produce (to keep fans coming). Then they can bring in a free agent when they are a piece away because the team can afford it because they dont have a roster of 'stay competitive around .500 koski, wolf, suppan, and looper types' that are costing them millions. A team built this way Could be competitive Every year, unlike where the current brewers find themselves. I loved the playoff runs, and they were worth every bit of our next few losing seasons, and that's the price we paid because of the model that you were talking about. The playoff runs are great and exciting but getting their the way we did just cannot last.

[TooLiveBrew]

Is it really that hard to grasp??

The Brewers should probably try again to trade for Paul Konerko

[PrinceEatMeat]

Tom ‏@Haudricourt

Other than pending trade of George Kottaras to Oakland, #Brewers GM Doug Melvin said he has not deals in the works.

 

Well, we better hope that he starts getting some calls. He probably has, just nothing else going on yet. I hope he can pull off a few more deals.

[torts]

still has 3 full days, not worried really

[NievesNoNO]

I doubt any more large deals happen. I think they Brewers feel like they can compete again next year. There's not a power house team in the NL so it's possible they could even without Greinke. I'm not sure what to think. As it stands right now I think their offense can compete, however their pitching will need an upgrade. I wouldn't mind dangling Hart, who by the way I think is severely underrated. If made available he would likely be the best bat on the market.

[3and2Fastball]

I guess I'm a little surprised no one wants Wolf. I would think Wolf as a lefty specialist out of the bullpen would be more valuable than what a lot of contending teams have. Maybe not

[GAME05]

i think i remember Melvin saying that pitchers have more value at the trade deadline, and hitters have more value being traded in the offseason.

[adambr2]

I don't understand people wanting to trade Hart and Ramirez?? .

 

Hart will be a free agent after the 2013 season. Ramirez is overpaid (or, will be very overpaid in '13 & '14) and that money could be better spent in other places.

 

Trading both of them could bring back some very good players. It is extremely unlikely that the Brewers will trade Hart or Ramirez at this time

 

Major league ready players, as good as those two already are currently?? Because if not, you aren't getting their proper value. And if you are getting players that aren't as good, you aren't going to win as much. No thanks. too many here it seems look at youth and "manageable contracts". Yet, it's not our $$$ so who really cares how Mark A spends HIS $$$?? I'd be far more inclined as a fan, to go to the ball park when the team has some "stars" and win ball games, then I would be to go and watch some youth "develop" and lose 90 games a year for a couple years. Why do you think attendance has been 3 million plus?? Because the team has been successful. Not as many wins= not as many fans, that's simple logic. And with not as many fans, comes not as much revenue. With not as much revenue, comes a lessor payroll, which means a lesser talented team. It's all relative.

 

So to say shedding contracts means attracting better Free agents. Not necessarily, because if big $$$ guys see talent that is below par, and don't feel they will win in Milwaukee, they won't come. The higher your payroll, the better the talent(usually, unless your a complete idiot of an owner), the better players get paid more. The better players are more talented, the better players means more wins.

 

Is it really that hard to grasp??

 

You said that we should have demanded Mike Trout for Greinke or told the Angels to get bent, and suggest that we make a Zack Greinke type trade every year. You asking if something is that hard to grasp is a bit ironic.

[Nader Raider Tim]

It may sound silly but I'd love to see the Brewers make a run at some of the slumping pitchers on the trade market. Masterson, Beckett and even Shields.

 

Masterson is still controlled and moderately cheap so he would still probably cost a ton.

 

Beckett is pitching mediocre at best but maybe getting out of the AL and more specifically out of the AL East would give him a boost. If Beckett does rebound then flip him in the offseason, a pitcher with his pedigree is always going to have a market. The real question is Boston willing to give him up mostly for salary relief?

 

Shields is probably a total pipe dream however an offer starting with Maldando and Schafer or Aoki could have some interest to the Rays. I'd say try and throw together an offer of Maldanado, Schafer and Thornburg (think about replacing Schafer with Hunter Morris or Taylor Green if the Rays prefer) Obviously this isn't the kind of offer that will blow the Rays out of the water but it sheds payroll, fills need(s) and gives them more controllable talent.

[Raw Biz]

It may sound silly but I'd love to see the Brewers make a run at some of the slumping pitchers on the trade market. Masterson, Beckett and even Shields.

 

Masterson is still controlled and moderately cheap so he would still probably cost a ton.

 

Beckett is pitching mediocre at best but maybe getting out of the AL and more specifically out of the AL East would give him a boost. If Beckett does rebound then flip him in the offseason, a pitcher with his pedigree is always going to have a market. The real question is Boston willing to give him up mostly for salary relief?

 

Shields is probably a total pipe dream however an offer starting with Maldando and Schafer or Aoki could have some interest to the Rays. I'd say try and throw together an offer of Maldanado, Schafer and Thornburg (think about replacing Schafer with Hunter Morris or Taylor Green if the Rays prefer) Obviously this isn't the kind of offer that will blow the Rays out of the water but it sheds payroll, fills need(s) and gives them more controllable talent.

 

They are looking for more than the package we received for Greinke. I don't know if Maldy, Schafer/Aoki, Thornburg comes even close to that.

 

edit: Thornburg would be the prize in that package obviously but I don't know if he's considered the same type of prize as Segura. And though Maldy has been great this year, I trust his minor-league numbers better so he's probably closer to the all defense/little offense type of catcher. Schafer is probably a 4th OF and Aoki is 30. And honestly, I'm not even sure I'd want Shields if they've do that trade. Thornburg is the type of young, cheap, long-term controlled players we should be seeking. Shields has 2 more options remaining sure but other than last year, he's been a 3/4 type guy and relatively expensive.