Greinke traded to Angels for three prospects; Rangers nearly won the bidding (Latest: revisiting this trade in December 2015; post 481)

[paul253]

Buckel and Grimm seem like solid players but quite honestly I'm glad Melvin didn't bite. If you refuse to offer even one of your three best prospects you probably shouldn't be bidding for the best available pitcher on the trade market. That said, had the third player been Rougned Odor I probably would have preferred the Rangers deal. But a no-hit 153lb SS doesn't really appeal much to me.

 

Segura is a great pickup but to me Hellweg is the key here. If he can reach his potential as a #2 we'll really be looking good. BA listed Hellweg as having both the best fastball and the best curveball in the Angel's organization. The key for him seems to be the same that it is for Mark Rogers and Wily Peralta. If they can limit the walks, look out.

[slappzilla]

How bout Greinke's comments in his first game as an Angel?

 

"I'm glad I'm not in the NL anymore. Having to bat is too much of a distraction. After you pitch, you go into the dugout, and instead of thinking about the next 3 batters you have to face, you have to think about your next at bat. I'll never pitch in the NL again"

 

wat?

 

Did Zack not say he liked to bat when he was first traded from KC to Milwaukee?

 

Either way, for those of you who still think there's more than a -500% chance that Zack resigns with Milwaukee in the offseason, you may want to rethink.

[RockCoCougars]

I'm glad that they didn't take the Rangers' trash. Let them make do with Oswalt and whatever secondary pitcher they pick up to go with the rest. I'm sure when Roy gets his legs under him, he'll get that ERA under 5.

[slappzilla]

Do we know what the Rangers offered by chance?

 

I think they got a decent deal from the Angels but that's without knowing what other teams may have offered.

[pacopete4]

How bout Greinke's comments in his first game as an Angel?

 

"I'm glad I'm not in the NL anymore. Having to bat is too much of a distraction. After you pitch, you go into the dugout, and instead of thinking about the next 3 batters you have to face, you have to think about your next at bat. I'll never pitch in the NL again"

 

wat?

 

Did Zack not say he liked to bat when he was first traded from KC to Milwaukee?

 

Either way, for those of you who still think there's more than a -500% chance that Zack resigns with Milwaukee in the offseason, you may want to rethink.

 

 

Where did you see this? I haven't seen it anywhere.

[saget]

That sounds like a junk quote considering BA and Rock made a point to mention how much Greinke loves hitting every time he had an AB.

[pretendastronaut]

Where did you see this? I haven't seen it anywhere.

 

Ya, I haven't been able to find this quote anywhere either, and it seems like a quote that would be passed around. Plus it doesn't really mesh with other statements that he'd be interested in the Brewers trying to sign him in the off-season, and McCalvy saying that Lucroy thinks the Brewers have a legit shot at re-signing him.

 

Though it does sound very similar to something I heard Buehrle say to 1250 WSSP in a "Know the enemy" segment a few weeks ago, so it could be possible that Greinke was initially excited about the prospect of hitting, but found out he didn't like it as much in practice.

[splitterpfj]

Do we know what the Rangers offered by chance?

 

I think they got a decent deal from the Angels but that's without knowing what other teams may have offered.

 

See post 275...

[SRB]

Somebody asked earlier in the thread... Segura's first name is pronounced like it looks, exactly like "Gene."

 

Sweet. I had already planned on referring to him as "Jean Jean, the Dancing Machine".

 

Ozzie Smith was "The Wizard," Jean Segura is... "The Genie"

 

Also, I'm glad Melvin didn't bite with Buckel/Grimm/+. Current rumors are that Texas might offer Grimm for Jonathan Broxton. I'd be very wary of a guy it seems they are trying to unload in every deal.

[monty57]

Where did you see this? I haven't seen it anywhere.

 

Ya, I haven't been able to find this quote anywhere either, and it seems like a quote that would be passed around. Plus it doesn't really mesh with other statements that he'd be interested in the Brewers trying to sign him in the off-season, and McCalvy saying that Lucroy thinks the Brewers have a legit shot at re-signing him.

 

Though it does sound very similar to something I heard Buehrle say to 1250 WSSP in a "Know the enemy" segment a few weeks ago, so it could be possible that Greinke was initially excited about the prospect of hitting, but found out he didn't like it as much in practice.

 

Not really smart for a guy who just turned down a $112MM or so contract because he wanted to test the market in free agency to immediately say that he was eliminating half the teams who may want to bid for his services.

 

It's also unlike Greinke, who has been good at hitting and has always said he loves hitting, to say he didn't like hitting.

 

Maybe those words came from Greinke, but it would really be odd of him to say them. A team like the Dodgers could very easily be the top bidder for Greinke after the season.

[Warning Track Power]

Not sure if this has already been posted but it is definitely a good perspective on the trade...

 

"The Brewers believe Segura, signed as a second baseman, can stay at shortstop and be a better-hitting, if worse-fielding, version of Alcides Escobar, whom they traded to get Greinke. The 6-foot-9 Hellweg or hard-throwing Pena could fill the Jake Odorizzi role as a potential impact starter, though both could end up in the bullpen, like Jeremy Jeffress, another player in Milwaukee's original Grienke deal. If those pieces happen to even out, that means the Brewers got to an NLCS and had 1 2/3 years of Greinke for Lorenzo Cain, a trade they'd make a million times again."

 

Article Jeff Passan posted the other day. Now if we can only trade Marcum for Profar

[fondybrewfan]

I don't understand why so many people are saying Segura needs to be moved off of SS. By most accounts he appears to be average there correct? There has been nothing saying the guy is a butcher out there.

[TURBO]

From a rock-solid source...

 

The Rangers nearly won the bidding, Doug Melvin really liked pitchers Cody Buckel, and Justin Grimm, who were offered with a third player. In the end, it was very close, Doug went with the Angels' offer because Segura fills the huge hole the organization had at SS.

 

Reading between the lines, it was the better SS and solid pitchers, or the better arms with the lesser third player...Doug took the SS.

 

Since the team finally has a string of arms coming through the system, and a total mess at SS, I don't blame Doug one bit. When you look back on this in future years, remember the names Cody Buckel and Justin Grimm...it was one offer or the other.

 

Edit: I haven't confirmed this, but I've seen reports that the third player was Leury Garcia. Garcia has been moved to 2B by the Rangers, but that's only because they have Andrus and Profar ahead of him - he was signed as a SS and he has the arm to cover it. Garcia is a small man, listed at 5' 7" 153 lbs. Garcia is only 20 so things could still change, but to this point, he's a low OBP, no power guy with speed - he simply is not in Segura's class as a hitter.

 

Imagine the puny Garcia at SS and the puny Scooter Gennett at 2B in a couple years...lol

 

Nicknames would surely follow...

[bullox]

How bout Greinke's comments in his first game as an Angel?

 

 

Source?

[fondybrewfan]

He probably just made the quote up to further the agenda that Grienke is a "lock" not to come back to MIL.

[HiAndTight]

I'm thrilled, Segura is a bigtime SS talent... that ain't easy to find... he hit .294 in AAA this year as a 22 year old, .346 OBP, 33 SB's in 97 games.... this is our new starting SS and soon to be lead-off hitter for the next 4-5-6 years

 

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I could have SWORE you were one of those telling me I was overrating Profar and that I was undervaluing Profar by saying that I didn't think we could get Profar for Greinke straight up.

 

Now you're thrilled they got a vastly, vastly inferior(though still very-very good player) player over 3 years older than Profar, but not as good at the same level?

 

Or am I mistaken? If the later, I do apologize.

[TooLiveBrew]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I could have SWORE you were one of those telling me I was overrating Profar and that I was undervaluing Profar by saying that I didn't think we could get Profar for Greinke straight up.

Because you were the only one saying that...

[3and2Fastball]

I'm thrilled, Segura is a bigtime SS talent... that ain't easy to find... he hit .294 in AAA this year as a 22 year old, .346 OBP, 33 SB's in 97 games.... this is our new starting SS and soon to be lead-off hitter for the next 4-5-6 years

 

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I could have SWORE you were one of those telling me I was overrating Profar and that I was undervaluing Profar by saying that I didn't think we could get Profar for Greinke straight up.

 

Now you're thrilled they got a vastly, vastly inferior(though still very-very good player) player over 3 years older than Profar, but not as good at the same level?

 

Or am I mistaken? If the later, I do apologize.

 

No sir, I didn't think you overrated Profar. I love Profar and think he will be a superstar. I was saying that I did not think the Brewers could get Profar because I knew (well, I suspected) that the Rangers would refuse to trade Profar.

 

Considering that Profar was never really a possibility (or at least it would appear that way), I'm thrilled we got Segura. Generally I agree with most of your posts

[HiAndTight]

The more I look at this trade, the more I like it. I'm not convinced either pitcher will make it as a starter, but I think, both have a good shot at sticking in the major league bullpen, which would be fine with me.

 

I like how Doug played this, the SS from the Angels was clearly better than the SS from Texas, so he told Texas they had to up the pitcher on their side to Perez, which they refused.

 

Good enough, two decent pitching prospects and the best position player either team would give, at a position of need.

 

 

 

I've read enough of your posts, so I can only assume that since you've demonstrated common sense, you don't mean Profar v Segura, so who was offered for Greinke? There are several hundred Greinke trade rumors. Which SS did the Rangers offer because they obviously have the best in the AL right now(or close to it), and as Sickels said, "If it wasn't for Bryce Harper taking all the air in the room, all the talk would be about this 18 year olds massive talent at an advanced level(Profar) and then they didn't have anyone who looked even close to big league ready for a long while.

 

Just curious if you've got a basic idea of who was involved.

[3and2Fastball]

Jean Segura making his Brewers organization debut this afternoon.

 

2 for 4 with a Double and a stolen base. Looking forward to seeing him start at SS in 2013

[TURBO]

Jean Segura making his Brewers organization debut this afternoon.

 

2 for 4 with a Double and a stolen base. Looking forward to seeing him start at SS in 2013

 

I'm looking forward to seeing him start at SS in September of 2012.

 

[Brewers ST920]

If Segura performs well in his first two weeks I fully expect to see him in the majors. No one can do worse than Ransom or Izturis.

[3and2Fastball]

If Segura performs well in his first two weeks I fully expect to see him in the majors. No one can do worse than Ransom or Izturis.

 

"No one" seems like kind of a harsh nickname for Yuni B, but hey I hear ya!

[Tedaldtada]

If Segura performs well in his first two weeks I fully expect to see him in the majors. No one can do worse than Ransom or Izturis.

 

"No one" seems like kind of a harsh nickname for Yuni B, but hey I hear ya!

 

[fondybrewfan]

Two weeks may be pushing it but a September call up would be nice; gives me something to look forward to at least