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Brewers will trade Randy Wolf "for nothing if you take the money"

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•The Brewers will trade Randy Wolf "for nothing if you take the money," according to one official.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/07/stark-on-marlins-phillies-dodgers-garza-twins.html

Posted: July 10, 2014, 12:30 AM

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I think that's basically what we've all said all season really. He's been horrible and it would save us his salary and the buyout at the end of the year. Any middling prospect will do just fine thank you.

 

The real question would be...who would actually want him and what would they use him for?

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I think this should be re-titled in and moved to the "Something Everyone Already Knew" forum.

 

I did the analysis in another thread and it looks like even if a team assumes Wolf is still a 4.5 ERA pitcher (and that is not an outrageous presumption), Melvin would still probably have to kick in some cash.

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it could, but I dont want to talk about transactions, I just wanted to point out its funny that other teams can just have him just for the contract

Posted: July 10, 2014, 12:30 AM

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But how is this possible?!?!

 

 

They can do the buyout on the option and then re-negotiate a lower deal if they want to bring Wolf back, probably.

 

Maybe but I don't think Wolf is going to be as cheap as you think. To make it a wash they would have to sign him for less than $8.5 million. He's pretty durable, has over 200 innings per year over the length of the contract and has actually produced pretty well over his past two seasons. You don't just average an ERA around 4 with one of the worst defenses in the league for two years without some ability.

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it could, but I dont want to talk about transactions, I just wanted to point out its funny that other teams can just have him just for the contract

So... maybe make the thread title a tick better than useless?

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it could, but I dont want to talk about transactions, I just wanted to point out its funny that other teams can just have him just for the contract

 

Trade any older player in the last year of a long term contract and more often than not, he has negative net value (value of performance - salary). Seems like fans struggle with that concept, as the tendency is to completely ignore what the guy is owed (e.g. How can Seattle give up Ichiro for NOTHING!!!?!?!?).

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it could, but I dont want to talk about transactions, I just wanted to point out its funny that other teams can just have him just for the contract

So... maybe make the thread title a tick better than useless?

 

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Posted: July 10, 2014, 12:30 AM

PrinceFielderx1 Said:

If the Brewers don't win the division I should be banned. However, they will.

 

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A-Wolf hasn't been nearly as bad IMO as his numbers would indicate. Or at least he has more value to a team down the stretch than this years numbers would suggest.

 

He's pitched quite a bit better as of late and his fastball looks like it has more life to it.

 

 

Scouts look at the big picture. Wolf's been throwing the ball better, his stuff has been better, and if you're a team like the Nationals who are rumored to be interested in Greinke..which seems ridiculous to me(they want a window apparently to re-sign him...I guess his contract would run out by the time the big two would be eligible for Free agency and Werth would be just about up as well) as they want to save Strausburg. But a guy like Wolf makes infinitely more sense. Just a guy to give you quality innings and take the mound every day.

 

I think Wolf to Washington makes all the sense in the world. And I think his value is slightly underestimated on here. If he leaves a game with runners on, they seem to score every time. And of course, though it's of little value, but he should have 6-7 more wins. Not that it would impact his value.

As for next year renegotiating with Wolf....that makes no sense to me. He'd get 6-7 million I'd imagine on the FA market, maybe even 2/18 based on his track record at most, and we have too many pitchers who should be able to match his performance coming up. Maybe if he didn't have the buyout, I'd go 5 million in our situation, but he wouldn't anyway.

 

 

If it really came down to it though, I'd pay 2 million of his contract...

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If it really came down to it though, I'd pay 2 million of his contract...

 

That sounds about right. Wolf has a 4.6 FIP this year and had good ERAs the previous 3 years. Wolf's rest-of-season ZiPS projection is 4.08 ERA but I don't see any GMs buying that. I think he easily projects to be a 4.5 ERA starting pitcher, however. That is worth around $8-$10 mil a year in free agency. About 40% of the season is left, so that makes Wolf worth around $4 mil for the remainder of the year.

 

Including his 2013 buyout and assuming he reaches his IP bonuses, I believe Wolf is still owed $5.8 mil. So if Melvin chips in $2 mil, he gets $3.8 mil off the books and gets a bag of balls back.

 

Again, this isn't rocket science. You could have the best player in the league be worth nothing in a trade if he is alrady signed to a $40 mil/year contract.

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Wolf fits the bill much more as a waiver deadline trade. If a team is having some injury problems at the backend of their rotation, he could be a nice fill-in on the cheap. However, no team should be going out of their way to grab him in the next couple days, and won't.
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i could see a team like Washington having a use for him to help extend Strasburg out as much as possible. or maybe a team that has a lock on the playoffs and wants to stretch their starters out in a 6-man rotation. i wouldn't bet a quarter on it, though.
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Hey if Wayne Franklin can get Carlos Villanueva anything is possible.
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