2012-07-24 Brewers (Greinke) at Phillies (Lee), 6:05 PM CDT [Brewers lose, 7-6, not due to Greinke]

[trwi7]

Really guys? Greinke is being shopped. No reason to send him out there again for the 8th when teams have already seen that he's still a great pitcher.

[pebadger]

Guys, if the pen blows the lead in the 8th at least you have a chance to bat again. Because what are the odds that the pen will blow the lead again in the 9th? It's simple math.

[danzig6767]

I do not understand why Greinke came out of this game with 87 pitches after 7 innings, knowing full well that we have no support from our bullpen.

 

He should have pitched the 8th, no question about it.

 

Only reason I can see is if he is already traded, and our trading partner called Doug and said we've seen enough, take him out, we have a deaL!!!

 

Greinke may have been on a pitch count

 

Either way, i'm glad he was pulled, things worked out near perfectly. Greinke looked fabulous to any trade suitors and if Melvin/Attanasio had even the slightest dumb belief that the team shouldn't be a seller, tonight had to be the final nail in the coffin for them.

 

Plus, you gotta admit that meltdown was amusing.

[NievesNoNO]

Actually, I thought it was fairly foolish to send him out after the 5th or so. He's turned down a contract (supposedly) and they're going to trade him. Why risk a freak accident and injury to your biggest trade chip. Thank you Zack, it's been fun.

[yfinn6]

87 pitches tonight and was absolutely cruising and gets yanked. It wouldn't be a problem if you had even a halfway decent bullpen, but the Brewers do not and it cost them the victory.

 

Who cares? This season is trashed anyways. No need to lower ZG's trade value by letting him implode in the 8th. Time to start rebuilding.

 

I always love this argument. Yes, who cares about wins. We can't make the playoffs - or it's unlikely - so lets just completely give up. Sounds like something someone who never played competitive sports said.

[sdcheezhd]

Roenicke managing as if the season is over.

 

Who was he supposed to put in?

 

Every single guy in that bullpen has been a human gas can for awhile now. Roenicke has no reason to trust any pitcher in that horrific pen.

 

Well pretty much what everyone else said. He wasn't supposed to put in anybody with Grienke at 87 pitches (11 in the 7th), 14 in a row and due up in th 9th. If the game meant anything to him he wouldn't have pulled Grienke. I think he must have been more interested in proving (to himself? to Melvin?) that the bullpen can't be trusted to get 6 outs with a 5 run lead, the lefty reliever can't pitch to lefties, Loe can't get a big out, and whatever else everyone else already knows. But it can't be that he thinks that what he did gave him the best chance to win the game.

[Menace II Sobriety]

I always love this argument. Yes, who cares about wins. We can't make the playoffs - or it's unlikely - so lets just completely give up. Sounds like something someone who never played competitive sports said.

 

We all know the deal was to try and get a great showing out of Greinke and get him out of there.

 

The Brewers actually have the 9th worst record in all of baseball (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/reversestandings2012) it is obvious what to do at this point and it has been for about a while. Of course you don't root to lose but if they do finish with one of the ten worst records than they wouldn't lose a pick next year if they sign one of the new types A's (or whatever they are called now).

[danzig6767]

87 pitches tonight and was absolutely cruising and gets yanked. It wouldn't be a problem if you had even a halfway decent bullpen, but the Brewers do not and it cost them the victory.

 

Who cares? This season is trashed anyways. No need to lower ZG's trade value by letting him implode in the 8th. Time to start rebuilding.

 

I always love this argument. Yes, who cares about wins. We can't make the playoffs - or it's unlikely - so lets just completely give up. Sounds like something someone who never played competitive sports said.

 

Please

 

The team obviously is intending to shop Greinke and tonight was a perfect showcase performance, so they removed him after seven great innings. That clearly was priority number one for the Brewers, with good reason given the season is toast for any type of playoff run. Plus, he left with a five run lead, even a minor league pen should be able to protect that.

 

If you want to complain about anything, it should be that Manny Parra continues to stay on the roster.

[yfinn6]

So another inning after cruising after 14 straight would have been too much? If you're showcasing a pitcher you take him out when he's in a groove?

 

I can complain about a lot of things this year - Manny Parra being one of them.. or that Cesar Isturis keeps getting as much playing time as he does.. or that Tim Dillard saw meaningful innings earlier in the year. Manny Parra is not the only part of this team worth complaining about.

[danzig6767]

Roenicke managing as if the season is over.

 

Who was he supposed to put in?

 

Every single guy in that bullpen has been a human gas can for awhile now. Roenicke has no reason to trust any pitcher in that horrific pen.

 

Well pretty much what everyone else said. He wasn't supposed to put in anybody with Grienke at 87 pitches (11 in the 7th), 14 in a row and due up in th 9th. If the game meant anything to him he wouldn't have pulled Grienke. I think he must have been more interested in proving (to himself? to Melvin?) that the bullpen can't be trusted to get 6 outs with a 5 run lead, the lefty reliever can't pitch to lefties, Loe can't get a big out, and whatever else everyone else already knows. But it can't be that he thinks that what he did gave him the best chance to win the game.

 

How do you know that Melvin didn't give orders on how to handle Greinke if he pitched well?

 

The team is almost for sure going to shop Zack, but needed a good performance from him tonight in front of trade suitors watching. Once he put in seven great innings, it could have been a pre-planned situation to remove him at a certain point.

[FVBrewerFan]

87 pitches tonight and was absolutely cruising and gets yanked. It wouldn't be a problem if you had even a halfway decent bullpen, but the Brewers do not and it cost them the victory.

 

Who cares? This season is trashed anyways. No need to lower ZG's trade value by letting him implode in the 8th. Time to start rebuilding.

 

I always love this argument. Yes, who cares about wins. We can't make the playoffs - or it's unlikely - so lets just completely give up. Sounds like something someone who never played competitive sports said.

 

You need to get expressed written consent to use that statement. I'm pretty sure thats the official motto of the 2012 Brewers bullpen.

[NievesNoNO]

87 pitches tonight and was absolutely cruising and gets yanked. It wouldn't be a problem if you had even a halfway decent bullpen, but the Brewers do not and it cost them the victory.

 

Who cares? This season is trashed anyways. No need to lower ZG's trade value by letting him implode in the 8th. Time to start rebuilding.

 

I always love this argument. Yes, who cares about wins. We can't make the playoffs - or it's unlikely - so lets just completely give up. Sounds like something someone who never played competitive sports said.

 

Ahh, the "you must have never played.." argument. Nice angle. For better or worse this is a game with an owner and an entire franchise, not just one team playing trying to win one game. I get the passion to want to win each game but the other side of the coin is the passion to want this team to stay competitive and play meaningful games now and in the future. Just about any other night I'd agree with you but tonight is an exception.

[Outlander]

It was actually a good night because Greinke pitched well and the bullpen reminded Melvin this team has no shot at the playoffs so feel free to sell.

[sdcheezhd]

So maybe Melvin gave the order to pull Grienke, and maybe it's a good thing we're not playing to win (and obviously there's a gradation between it's the 7th game of the WS and it's spring training) and maybe Roenicke had lots and lots of good reasons, orders or otherwise, to do what he did but I think we all agree that he had an agenda other than being focused on winning the game. Winning the game may not have been 0% of his agenda but it was sure a lot less than 100%.

[yfinn6]

 

Ahh, the "you must have never played.." argument. Nice angle. For better or worse this is a game with an owner and an entire franchise, not just one team playing trying to win one game. I get the passion to want to win each game but the other side of the coin is the passion to want this team to stay competitive and play meaningful games now and in the future. Just about any other night I'd agree with you but tonight is an exception.

 

Thanks - your approval is important to me.

 

Someone just let me know when the games start to mean something again so I can come back here and point to this one as the one exception when it didn't matter. I hope we get a stud player because our pitcher couldn't go out after 7 IP, 87 pitches, 3H and no BB.

 

I'm done with this argument.

[danzig6767]

So maybe Melvin gave the order to pull Grienke, and maybe it's a good thing we're not playing to win (and obviously there's a gradation between it's the 7th game of the WS and it's spring training) and maybe Roenicke had lots and lots of good reasons, orders or otherwise, to do what he did but I think we all agree that he had an agenda other than being focused on winning the game. Winning the game may not have been 0% of his agenda but it was sure a lot less than 100%.

 

Roenicke basically said so in his press conference. He said that these weren't normal circumstances or else he'd have sent Zack back out there.

[trwi7]

I think people who are mad Greinke wasn't out for the 8th inning need to familiarize themselves with the phrase "protect your assets."

[markedman5]

I appreciate the honesty out of Manny and Krod last night but at some point words aren't enough.....in pro sports if you don't do the job you get replaced....unless you are a memeber of the 2012 Milwaukee brewers bullpen apparently.

 

[AZBrewCrew]

Todd Rosiak ‏@Todd_Rosiak

Manny Parra: "Pretty much, most of the season, I've been pretty good. I don't care what anyone has to say about it."

[hawing]

A friend of mine who is a STL fan (we agree on most everything else in life) sent me a message tonight saying one of his buddies caught Zack's home run ball.

2012: year of repeated kicks in the crotch.

[sdcheezhd]

A friend of mine who is a STL fan (we agree on most everything else in life) sent me a message tonight saying one of his buddies caught Zack's home run ball.

2012: year of repeated kicks in the crotch.

 

A little hard to tell on radio but it sounded afterwards like there was a delayed cheer like the ball got thrown back on the field. Hope I heard that wrong (or maybe I'm confusing it with one of the other 3 HRs) - we don't want to have to conclude that STL Fan has bad taste in friends . . .

[zzzmanwitz]

"Someone just let me know when the games start to mean something again"

 

April 1st, 2013

[rluzinski]

Even if we want to pretend that RR should have been playing for the win above everything else, the difference between Greinke and even a bad bullpen for one IP is almost nothing with a 5 run lead. You shouldn't play every game like it is game 7 of the World Series, especially when you've been all but eliminated from the playoffs, weeks ago.

[nate82]

I actually prefer the Brewers playing for a losing record here on out. The Brewers need to beat the Marlins for that #10 pick. Plus the Brewers are not that all far behind the teams that would be in the 5-8 spot.

[hawing]

A friend of mine who is a STL fan (we agree on most everything else in life) sent me a message tonight saying one of his buddies caught Zack's home run ball.

2012: year of repeated kicks in the crotch.

 

A little hard to tell on radio but it sounded afterwards like there was a delayed cheer like the ball got thrown back on the field. Hope I heard that wrong (or maybe I'm confusing it with one of the other 3 HRs) - we don't want to have to conclude that STL Fan has bad taste in friends . . .

If this guy's buddy had thrown the ball back, I think my friend would have said so. Then again, this same friend was bashing Lucroy last fall. Luc!