The Combined 'We're Trading Greinke' Thread (part 1)

[torts]

I hope if he trades Greinke, that he continues with it and blows up the rotation of Wolf and Marcum as well. Want two months of

 

Gallardo

Estrada

Feirs

Vargas

McClung

[jerichoholicninja]

I hope if he trades Greinke, that he continues with it and blows up the rotation of Wolf and Marcum as well. Want two months of

 

Gallardo

Estrada

Feirs

Vargas

McClung

 

I agree, if the plan is to trade Greinke then you need to blow up the whole thing and trade Marcum, Wolf, Hart, K-Rod, Axford, Morgan, Gomez, Ramirez (not gonna happen) and certainly dangle Rickie. The only guys that should be kept around are Braun, Gallardo and Lucroy.

 

Simply trading Greinke for a prospect or two and keeping everyone else does not do all that much to help the franchise long term when there are lots of positions that need to be addressed (3B, 1B, SS, bullpen) in the next year or two. Might as well take care of them all now instead of one at a time.

[paul253]

Fiers is the obvious replacement is Greinke goes. Thornburg would be after that. I don't think we need to worry about seeing Seth McClung in the rotation anytime soon.

 

I am glad Texas is showing interest though. They have 4 prospects I like. If we can somehow swing two of them it would be an amazing haul. Two of Olt/Perez/Loux would be great. Justin Grimm would be another name to consider.

[B2k1121]

As exciting as it would be to get a top prospect or two for Greinke, if they aren't potential ace pitching prospects I don't see how that helps the Brewers much in the future. None of the Brewers current prospects look to be better than a #2 or #3.

[Kelbysdaddy]

Having an ace is great but I don't think 5 #2s is all that bad.

[cvollbrecht]

As exciting as it would be to get a top prospect or two for Greinke, if they aren't potential ace pitching prospects I don't see how that helps the Brewers much in the future. None of the Brewers current prospects look to be better than a #2 or #3.

 

I would love to have a rotation of Gallardo and four 2/3 type pitchers. Look at the farm system as far as pitchers we have coming up in the next 1-2 years.

 

Peralta - #3

Thornburg - #3

Jungmann - #2/3

Bradley - #2/3

 

Thats not even looking at guys in the lower minors (ETA 2014-beyond). If you throw in maybe Perez from a Greinke trade then you have 5 guys that are 2/3 starters potentially. Even if 2 don't pan out, you still have only one rotation spot that needs to be filled in by a Fiers/Narveson/Estrada type pitcher. I will take that any day of the week as long as we get a impact bat or two in the trade as well.

[paul253]

As exciting as it would be to get a top prospect or two for Greinke, if they aren't potential ace pitching prospects I don't see how that helps the Brewers much in the future.

 

If the Brewers had an Mike Olt or a Nick Castellanos there'd have been no need to throw $30 million and three years at an aging Aramis Ramirez. If the Brewers had a power hitting outfield or first base prospect there'd be no need to extend Corey Hart and throw $40-$50 million at him when his contract is up. All of that money could go towards pitching. Even if you pay relievers, it definitely helps. If you shoot for a potential ace only for Greinke you are probably going to be disappointed. Then you end up keeping him and settling for draft picks. I'd rather take my chances with a Barrett Loux and Justin Grimm then with a draft pick someone in the 20s an another after the first round.

 

At the end of the day you take the best players you can get. Short of maybe second base, the Brewers don't have enough depth at any position in the minors leagues to turn down a top talent.

[B2k1121]

As exciting as it would be to get a top prospect or two for Greinke, if they aren't potential ace pitching prospects I don't see how that helps the Brewers much in the future. None of the Brewers current prospects look to be better than a #2 or #3.

 

I would love to have a rotation of Gallardo and four 2/3 type pitchers. Look at the farm system as far as pitchers we have coming up in the next 1-2 years.

 

Peralta - #3

Thornburg - #3

Jungmann - #2/3

Bradley - #2/3

 

Thats not even looking at guys in the lower minors (ETA 2014-beyond). If you throw in maybe Perez from a Greinke trade then you have 5 guys that are 2/3 starters potentially. Even if 2 don't pan out, you still have only one rotation spot that needs to be filled in by a Fiers/Narveson/Estrada type pitcher. I will take that any day of the week as long as we get a impact bat or two in the trade as well.

I'd say those guys all have that ceiling, but what are they odds they all actually reach that ceiling? The way some of them are pitching now they may never make it to the bigs.

[cvollbrecht]

As exciting as it would be to get a top prospect or two for Greinke, if they aren't potential ace pitching prospects I don't see how that helps the Brewers much in the future. None of the Brewers current prospects look to be better than a #2 or #3.

 

I would love to have a rotation of Gallardo and four 2/3 type pitchers. Look at the farm system as far as pitchers we have coming up in the next 1-2 years.

 

Peralta - #3

Thornburg - #3

Jungmann - #2/3

Bradley - #2/3

 

Thats not even looking at guys in the lower minors (ETA 2014-beyond). If you throw in maybe Perez from a Greinke trade then you have 5 guys that are 2/3 starters potentially. Even if 2 don't pan out, you still have only one rotation spot that needs to be filled in by a Fiers/Narveson/Estrada type pitcher. I will take that any day of the week as long as we get a impact bat or two in the trade as well.

I'd say those guys all have that ceiling, but what are they odds they all actually reach that ceiling? The way some of them are pitching now they may never make it to the bigs.

 

I addressed that not all pitchers may reach that ceiling but i think paul253 summed it up pretty good:

 

If the Brewers had an Mike Olt or a Nick Castellanos there'd have been no need to throw $30 million and three years at an aging Aramis Ramirez. If the Brewers had a power hitting outfield or first base prospect there'd be no need to extend Corey Hart and throw $40-$50 million at him when his contract is up. All of that money could go towards pitching. Even if you pay relievers, it definitely helps. If you shoot for a potential ace only for Greinke you are probably going to be disappointed. Then you end up keeping him and settling for draft picks. I'd rather take my chances with a Barrett Loux and Justin Grimm then with a draft pick someone in the 20s an another after the first round.

 

By having multiple pitchers that are cheap 2/3's next year it opens up a lot of possibilities for this team payroll wise. Cost-controlled pitching is the one thing the Brewers have never had in recent years and now that they have an opportunity to get/have some we are going to hold out to get an "ace" pitcher instead? That "ace" pitcher that you want us to hold out for has just as much of a chance to bust as the 2/3 types we already have/can obtain.

[TooLiveBrew]

Greinke getting pulled from today's game has piqued my curiosity. My first thought was definitely to wonder if he's been dealt.

[cvollbrecht]

I'll pose this question for everyone. Hypothetically, if we did trade Greinke to the Rangers, would you rather it be for Profar straight up, or for Olt/Perez/C+ prospect?

[TooLiveBrew]

I think I'd rather get the better player, so I'd lean Profar (curse you, cvollbrecht, for getting my hopes up that Profar is possible!)

[wibadgers23]

Greinke getting pulled from today's game has piqued my curiosity. My first thought was definitely to wonder if he's been dealt.

 

Wasn't he at 99 pitches though?

[yoyo49]

keithlaw ‏@keithlaw

For three months of Greinke & no picks? I say crazy talk. RT @RyanTopp: Mike Olt straight up for Zack Greinke. Crazy talk or fairish value?

[TooLiveBrew]

Greinke getting pulled from today's game has piqued my curiosity. My first thought was definitely to wonder if he's been dealt.

 

Wasn't he at 99 pitches though?

I thought his pc was at 96, but yeah around there -- not a whole lot of pitches, really.

 

It's entirely possible that Roenicke just wanted to play for more runs & pulling Greinke was a tactical move, but with the way ZG has been pitching I'm just surprised RR would pull him with this situation today.

[TURBO]

Pettitte broke his ankle today, out 6 weeks...

 

Could the Yankees come calling for Greinke? You know there will be phone calls made.

 

I would hate to see the Yankees get both Sabathia and Greinke.

[monty57]

By having multiple pitchers that are cheap 2/3's next year it opens up a lot of possibilities for this team payroll wise.

 

We have enough "chips" that selling could really, really help us quickly. If we traded Greinke, Marcum, Hart and the other guys who will be FA's at season's end like K-Rod, we could probably get three or four talented young guys who could be on next year's team for league minimum. That means we could still have Braun, Ramirez, Weeks, Yo, Aoki, Lucroy, etc and have around $50MM to "play with." We may not be playoff caliber, but we could be on the quick path to getting there, especially if the "MLB ready" guys we get are some SPs and a SS.

 

I am really interested in seeing what Greinke will eventually bring back in trade.

[ListachRides]

We have enough "chips" that selling could really, really help us quickly. If we traded Greinke, Marcum, Hart and the other guys who will be FA's at season's end like K-Rod, we could probably get three or four talented young guys who could be on next year's team for league minimum. That means we could still have Braun, Ramirez, Weeks, Yo, Aoki, Lucroy, etc and have around $50MM to "play with." We may not be playoff caliber, but we could be on the quick path to getting there, especially if the "MLB ready" guys we get are some SPs and a SS.

 

Marcum has to get healthy and make a couple of starts to prove he's healthy in a hurry if we're going to get anything worthwhile for him.

[TooLiveBrew]

Pettitte broke his ankle today, out 6 weeks...

 

Could the Yankees come calling for Greinke? You know there will be phone calls made.

 

I would hate to see the Yankees get both Sabathia and Greinke.

Well Sabathia was just DL'd (groin strain), so if the Yankees are willing to pony up, they could well wind up with both once CC's back & healthy. His injury isn't thought to be serious; Girardi thought he'd be back & ready to go after missing two starts.

 

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/dailypitch/post/2012/06/cc-sabathia-on-dl-until-after-all-star-break/1#.T-twNrUeOvA

[NievesNoNO]

I'll pose this question for everyone. Hypothetically, if we did trade Greinke to the Rangers, would you rather it be for Profar straight up, or for Olt/Perez/C+ prospect?

 

I'd rather Have Olt/Perez/+ prospect. Either would be a nice return. If either were on the table right now I'd take it. We'll see how Melvin is at playing on the other end of the trade game. I'm disappointed they're not in position to make a run at the post-season but this is part of my attraction to MLB over other sports. The opportunity to rebuild/restock at will. For another discussion, but my tune has changed on wanting a salary cap as that would likely come with a salary floor. Nothing would ruin baseball more for me than a salary floor.

[ninja33]

I think Olt/Perez/prospect is expecting too much personally. I think one or the other plus a lower minor prospect or two is more realistic. Hope I'm wrong though.

[paul253]

I'd rather take Profar. I don't think you can pass up on the opportunity to get a high ceiling shortstop who is so close to the majors. I wouldn't be disappointed with Olt/Perez but Perez's numbers leave a lot to be desired. I think Profar is more of a sure thing than either of the other two. Profar and Gennett and SS and 2nd would look very nice in 2014.

 

I think the Yankees might come calling but I'm not sure they have what it takes to pry Greinke from me. Bentances and Banuelos are their top two pitching prospects but neither of them are having a good season. Settling for other prospects would be, in my opinion, settling over quantity over quality which is exactly what Melvin needs to avoid.

 

I am really hoping this comes down to Texas or Detroit. Both have a few prospects I really want and I think the Brewers come away winners in either situation. Profar. Olt. Perez. Castellanos. Turner. I'd be excited with any one of those guys in Milwaukee's system.

[TURBO]

I think Olt/Perez/prospect is expecting too much personally. I think one or the other plus a lower minor prospect or two is more realistic. Hope I'm wrong though.

 

Well, I would have thought that Lawrie was too much to give for Marcum, but as always, if you find the right team, it is possible for someone to overpay...

[paul253]

How does Texas' bullpen look? If we can get them KRod and Greinke. For 2 of Olt/Perez/Profar and gladly give up Greinke and KRod.

[PrinceEatMeat]

If anyone thinks we're getting Profar then they are out of their minds. There is absolutely no way the Rangers would even consider trading Profar for a rental. When is the last time a top 5 prospect in all of baseball got traded? Much less for a rental? For a rental the answer is never. Montero is probably as close as it gets, but that wasn't for a rental. That was for 5 years of Pineda. That's more of the kind of deal it would take to get Profar. Olt is even a pipe dream, but more realistic at least.