The Combined 'We're Trading Greinke' Thread (part 1)

[adambr2]

I guess the question is what is Melvin looking for specifically and what team has it available?

 

I have to imagine that a legitimate SS is going to be e requirement and I have no idea what SS prospects are out there on teams that would want Grienke.

 

Ideally you would like an elite SS, but I don't think that's a requirement. As has been said I don't think it makes any sense to limit your options. It would be foolish of Melvin to turn down an offer for an elite 2nd base prospect and potential ace just to accept the best SS prospect that he can get offered + an MLB ready reliever.

 

That's why I shake my head every time Melvin talks about who he will talk to and who he won't listen to. Why??? Two years before he hit free agency, Melvin said they "would not listen" to offers for Fielder. To my, unless you're lying and actually listening and just trying to appease your fanbase, that's ridiculous. What is it costing you to listen and see if you get blown away??

 

If the Cubs' Theo Epstien called and said, "I want to make you an offer for Ryan Braun", I'm listening. Chances are awfully good that I'll be hanging up shortly, but what on earth do I have to lose by listening?

[TooLiveBrew]

I know the discussion has been had ad nauseum regarding some of Melvin's trades, so I'll just say I agree to disagree that he's done a good job maximizing value during his time as Brewers GM.

 

I don't believe definitively that he won't find good value for Greinke, but I am concerned based on his trading history & some of these comments.

[cvollbrecht]

I guess the question is what is Melvin looking for specifically and what team has it available?

 

I have to imagine that a legitimate SS is going to be e requirement and I have no idea what SS prospects are out there on teams that would want Grienke.

 

Ideally you would like an elite SS, but I don't think that's a requirement. As has been said I don't think it makes any sense to limit your options. It would be foolish of Melvin to turn down an offer for an elite 2nd base prospect and potential ace just to accept the best SS prospect that he can get offered + an MLB ready reliever.

 

That's why I shake my head every time Melvin talks about who he will talk to and who he won't listen to. Why??? Two years before he hit free agency, Melvin said they "would not listen" to offers for Fielder. To my, unless you're lying and actually listening and just trying to appease your fanbase, that's ridiculous. What is it costing you to listen and see if you get blown away??

 

If the Cubs' Theo Epstien called and said, "I want to make you an offer for Ryan Braun", I'm listening. Chances are awfully good that I'll be hanging up shortly, but what on earth do I have to lose by listening?

 

Actually, I think I've heard Melvin say on a couple of occasions that his stance on player availability was something like "My house isn't for sale, but if someone offered me $1,000,000 I'd have to think about it."

[Kelbysdaddy]

I hope with a good return for greinke most fans will stop complaining about giving up lawrie for marcum.

[Raw Biz]

I hope with a good return for greinke most fans will stop complaining about giving up lawrie for marcum.

 

Regardless of whether or not that was a good trade, a Greinke trade shouldn't be comparable. Just because one trade is good or bad doesn't really have any effect on any subsequent trades. Each trade should stand on its own.

[jerichoholicninja]

Does anyone really believe that GM's believe what other GM's say to the press?

[paul253]

I'm really, really hoping the Greinke is traded by the all-star break. My ideal scenario would be to extend him but at this point that doesn't seem like a realistic option. The Brewers should be able to get at least one high ceiling prospect and one mid ceiling prospect for him should they trade him at the break. Each start he makes in Milwaukee lowers his trade value. And god forbid he gets hurt.

 

Detroit is only two games out and could use a pitcher. I'd love to get Turner or Castellanos back. Texas is 4.5 games up on Anaheim. Mike Olt and/or Martin Perez would look nice. Anaheim could use a pitcher. How about Jean Segura and a pitcher?

[adambr2]

I guess the question is what is Melvin looking for specifically and what team has it available?

 

I have to imagine that a legitimate SS is going to be e requirement and I have no idea what SS prospects are out there on teams that would want Grienke.

 

Ideally you would like an elite SS, but I don't think that's a requirement. As has been said I don't think it makes any sense to limit your options. It would be foolish of Melvin to turn down an offer for an elite 2nd base prospect and potential ace just to accept the best SS prospect that he can get offered + an MLB ready reliever.

 

That's why I shake my head every time Melvin talks about who he will talk to and who he won't listen to. Why??? Two years before he hit free agency, Melvin said they "would not listen" to offers for Fielder. To my, unless you're lying and actually listening and just trying to appease your fanbase, that's ridiculous. What is it costing you to listen and see if you get blown away??

 

If the Cubs' Theo Epstien called and said, "I want to make you an offer for Ryan Braun", I'm listening. Chances are awfully good that I'll be hanging up shortly, but what on earth do I have to lose by listening?

 

Actually, I think I've heard Melvin say on a couple of occasions that his stance on player availability was something like "My house isn't for sale, but if someone offered me $1,000,000 I'd have to think about it."

 

Man, I would have to think that with the money we're overpaying Melvin, he could afford a more lavish house.

[trwi7]

“We’re hoping we can put a good week together.

 

My problem with this is what if the teams you're trying to catch put a good week together as well? Brewers go 6-1 and the Reds and Cardinals go 5-2. You've only gained one game.

 

If the Brewers choose to trade Greinke, Melvin said he would talk only to select clubs that he viewed as a potential match, rather than make him available to every team.

 

Way to limit your options, clown.

[Kelbysdaddy]

 

Detroit is only two games out and could use a pitcher. I'd love to get Turner or Castellanos back. Texas is 4.5 games up on Anaheim. Mike Olt and/or Martin Perez would look nice. Anaheim could use a pitcher. How about Jean Segura and a pitcher?

i really doubt turner would be moved but castellanos could be very possible (fwiw- i think hes the best way to forget about lawrie). as far as texas goes, i dont think perez or olt would be the best we could do by themselves but adding someone like barret loux could make it a great deal. the angels gm has already said he wont be upgradeing the team by adding any payroll(take that for what you will)

[nate82]

“We’re hoping we can put a good week together.

 

My problem with this is what if the teams you're trying to catch put a good week together as well? Brewers go 6-1 and the Reds and Cardinals go 5-2. You've only gained one game.

 

If the Brewers choose to trade Greinke, Melvin said he would talk only to select clubs that he viewed as a potential match, rather than make him available to every team.

 

Way to limit your options, clown.

 

You do realize that the options are limited anyways? I swear people on this board take everything a GM says as 100% gospel truth. It is rather funny seeing some on this board fret over things that are so trivial. If you even look at the trade market for a minute you will notice that there are very little teams that have the talent to acquire Greinke. Melvin stating that he is only going to talk to select clubs actually confirms that there is interest in Greinke but some of the teams that are interested in him do not have what it takes to get Greinke. No big secret there that it is going to be a limited amount of teams that are going to be able to swing that trade. Nearly every GM does this they are going to make the player only available to certain teams as they like the talent those teams bring versus the other teams that they are excluding.

 

If anything this suggests that there are a few teams interested in Greinke and Melvin is only going to look at a few of the teams that have shown interest in Greinke rather than going through junk trades that are not even worth the time to explore.

[trwi7]

You do realize that the options are limited anyways?

 

Of course our options are limited. Obviously the Astros and other non contending teams aren't going to be going after him, but why should Melvin decide that certain teams aren't fits before they even make offers? That makes no sense. I'd rather have 8 teams interested than 4, even if you don't think 4 of those teams can make the right offer it's good to have more teams involved.

[TooLiveBrew]

I swear people on this board take everything a GM says as 100% gospel truth. It is rather funny seeing some on this board fret over things that are so trivial.

 

Yeah, it's not like Melvin has made numerous trades that mesh precisely with the types of comments he made today. You know, I get people not liking that some fans don't appreciate the way Melvin operates, but it's gotten to the point now where if you *dare* question him, you get told you're overreacting & every GM does this or that.

 

The reality is that Melvin has done nothing but prepare for 'this' season for the past 5 seasons, & has put the Brewers into the mess they're currently in. And yes, I'm sincerely concerned that he's going to get a mediocre return for Greinke. As I explicitly stated in another post, I don't assume he's going to, but don't tell me I'm some nut for being concerned. He doesn't have a strong track record in trades at all.

[PrinceEatMeat]

You do realize that the options are limited anyways?

 

Of course our options are limited. Obviously the Astros and other non contending teams aren't going to be going after him, but why should Melvin decide that certain teams aren't fits before they even make offers? That makes no sense. I'd rather have 8 teams interested than 4, even if you don't think 4 of those teams can make the right offer it's good to have more teams involved.

 

Might have something to do with the prospects certain teams have. He's probably had his scouts out on them for awhile now, and he'll know who he likes before he even starts taking offers. He won't bother talking to a team that doesn't have prospects he likes, even if they fit as suitors for Greinke. Either way, I really don't take everything Melvin says at the truth. It's just what he does. He should be able to figure out what teams are actually in play for the kind of offer he wants almost immediately after he makes Greinke available though.

[Eye Black]

 

Detroit is only two games out and could use a pitcher. I'd love to get Turner or Castellanos back. Texas is 4.5 games up on Anaheim. Mike Olt and/or Martin Perez would look nice. Anaheim could use a pitcher. How about Jean Segura and a pitcher?

i really doubt turner would be moved but castellanos could be very possible (fwiw- i think hes the best way to forget about lawrie). as far as texas goes, i dont think perez or olt would be the best we could do by themselves but adding someone like barret loux could make it a great deal. the angels gm has already said he wont be upgradeing the team by adding any payroll(take that for what you will)

 

Castellanos stock has been skyrocketing this season. The Detroit fans and media are falling for him hard...

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120626/SPORTS0104/206260310/Hit-machine-Nick-Castellanos-is-Tigers’-can’t-miss-kid

 

He is also the exact type of player I hope the Front Office is targeting.

[Kelbysdaddy]

Castellanos was also a shortstop in high school. I'm sure he cant play it now but maybe with some work?

[Raw Biz]

Castellanos was also a shortstop in high school.

 

That normally doesn't mean much. A lot of 2B/3B and even some OF were the SS in high school because they were the best athletes on the team. Usually if a guy isn't playing SS in the minors, its because the team thinks he can't hack it there. I know some times certain players are blocked but usually if a good offensive guy can play even average defense there, he'll stick.

 

Just looking at Castellanos FLD% at 3B, it isn't very good which makes me think he wouldn't be a very good SS. I know FLD% isn't the greatest defensive stat but like I said, if the Tigers thought he could hack it there, he'd probably be playing there. That being said, I'd probably take him as part of a package for Greinke. I'd like to see a little more HR power out of a 3B but hopefully it will develop, as he just turned 20.

[ListachRides]

Anaheim could use a pitcher. How about Jean Segura and a pitcher?

 

Just a warning, most scouting reports I've read say that Segura is likely to move to 2nd base. In case you were hoping he'd plug the SS hole. I love Castellanos and Olt as targets though.

[monty57]

Re limiting his options: Does "won't make Greinke available to every team" mean "won't proactively call, but will listen to offers" or "will not even discuss Greinke with those teams?" Who knows, maybe a team out of the current playoff race wants to trade for Greinke so they can make a huge extension offer before he hits free agency, or maybe a "can't touch" prospect may become available if a team's owner gets playoff fever. There's a difference between "there are probably only a few teams who are realistic trade partners," and "I'm not making him available to every team." To me, it's odd to say that "he's not available" to every team, as he should be available to whoever makes the best offer.

 

Re the return we'll get: As long as Melvin is targeting guys with a lot of service time remaining, I'm fine. I'll really only be upset if he's traded for a couple of inferior players who have "names," but only 2-3 years of service time remaining. We need high upside, inexpensive, long-term answers, not short-term stopgaps to "keep us competitve."

[Kelbysdaddy]

I was reading through the comments on mlbtr.com and some red sox fans want them to trade greinke for buchholz/bard/iglesias even though they say that would be overpaying. I don't like this at all but this seems like a melvin move.

[torts]

the ideal scenario is this

 

brewers trade off Greinke to a contending team for a slew of top prospects

contending team and Greinke go all the way, win the world series

Greinke then goes to FA, turning down a $150/7yr deal from contending team

MKE offers a $115/6 deal to Greinke

Greinke accepts

Brewers fans heads explode

[NievesNoNO]

I'm really, really hoping the Greinke is traded by the all-star break. My ideal scenario would be to extend him but at this point that doesn't seem like a realistic option. The Brewers should be able to get at least one high ceiling prospect and one mid ceiling prospect for him should they trade him at the break. Each start he makes in Milwaukee lowers his trade value. And god forbid he gets hurt.

 

Detroit is only two games out and could use a pitcher. I'd love to get Turner or Castellanos back. Texas is 4.5 games up on Anaheim. Mike Olt and/or Martin Perez would look nice. Anaheim could use a pitcher. How about Jean Segura and a pitcher?

 

I think Detroit makes a good match as well. I'd shoot for Turner and Smyly. I know there's a real split on how people view Melvin on this board but some of you are really over the top. Referring to him as a clown? Really? I will agree that I'm a little concerned on getting proper value back for Greinke. Melvin does have a history of being, I guess, conservative when it comes to drafting, and trading players. There's a real opportunity here to improve the franchise as opposed to improving the team. If they choose to move Greinke I hope we also take the opportunity to move some other parts to build for the near future. Corey Hart would still have strong value...different topic though.

[brewmann04]

Melvin is not a clown how fast people forget their playoff apperances under his reign

[paul253]

Melvin is not a clown how fast people forget their playoff apperances under his reign

 

Yeah but with the offensive pieces he's had under his watch (Weeks, Hart, Braun, Fielder all in their primes) it seems like it easily could have been more than 2 playoff appearances. The 2011 team could have been repeated year in and year out if he had found a way to get some decent pitching for more than half a year. This year's team probably should be better but the injuries and poor production from key players (namely Weeks) is just killing us. For as good as Melvin has been he still has a terrible track record of developing pitching. And then when he does finally get good major league appearances from homegrown guys (Fiers) he sends them down to the minors so players like Marco Estrada can get more starts. He just doesn't seem to have a good handle on pitching. Any ole GM can trade their top prospects for expensive, established aces with 2 years left on a contract. It takes good scouting and wise decision making to develop your own guys and then play them when they are ready. Even with the playoff appearance and recent upgrade of pitching prospects, my confidence level in Melvin being able to develop pitching is hovering somewhere in the little to very little range.

[cvollbrecht]

 

Apparently the Rangers are scouting Greinke today.

 

If not Profar, I would love to see Olt/Perez/Loux coming back.