Dodgers interested in Aramis Ramirez

[RobDeer 45]

I just really hope we can inject some solid prospects in to the organization here soon.

[I Heart Brewers]

Oakland isn't a "take on money" type of organization, so to say.

They usually aren't but weren't they the other finalist in the Hanley Ramirez sweepstakes? It wouldn't surprise me if they at least inquired about ARAM.

 

And Oaklands farm system should be stacked. They've been in sell mode the past 3 years.

[TooLiveBrew]

There are no 3B to sign in the offseason. The position player FA market is terrible.

I actually went and looked this up.

FA 3B in 2013

 

David Wright

Kevin Youkliss

Mark Reynolds

Placido Polanco

Scott Rolen

Ty Wiggington

Brandon Inge

 

It is a short list, fwiw.

 

Wright will take huge $$$.

Youk is towards the backend of his career, but id take him if the price was right. He'd mash at miller park.

Reynolds can hit 40HR's if you don't mind dealing with his 220 strike outs and his 220avg

the rest are meh

 

Wiggington can play all infield positions sans SS and has pop. I think he'd come cheap as well. I'd take him.

Wright will not be a FA, the Mets have a club option for '13. BAL has an $11M club option on Reynolds, but I have no idea if they plan on exercising it or not. Youkilis also has a club option for next season, & Polanco has a mutual option.

[slappzilla]

Oakland isn't a "take on money" type of organization, so to say.

They usually aren't but weren't they the other finalist in the Hanley Ramirez sweepstakes?

The A's wanted the Marlins to absorb a bunch of Hanley's money in that possible deal. That's why Hanley went to the Dodgers instead, as LA took all he is owed.

 

I doubt the Brewers will trade Aramis and absorb some of his contract.

[I Heart Brewers]

The A's wanted the Marlins to absorb a bunch of Hanley's money in that possible deal. That's why Hanley went to the Dodgers instead, as LA took all he is owed.

 

I doubt the Brewers will trade Aramis and absorb some of his contract.

Huh, I read that the reason the A's held off on the trade was because of 'concerns about a hand injury'. When they did that the Dodger's swooped in and sweetened the deal by offering to pay all of his salary. I agree that the A's normally don't take on salary but who knows if it was the only reason for Beane not pulling the trigger.

 

Would it be worth it to dump Aramis and some of his contract in order to get a better prospect and partial financial flexibility or do they need to trade him and get rid of the entire contract and a lower level prospect? Not saying those are the only options but I'm curious what others think.

[RockCoCougars]

I really don't think that the Brewers should be focused on financial flexibility moving forward. If you get a legit offer of prospects for Ramirez, maybe you move him, but I really don't want to see him traded so the Brewers have more money to overpay someone like Ryan Dempster or Kyle Lohse in the off-season, and the positional free agents are very underwhelming to say the least.

[jmeks23]

The A's wanted the Marlins to absorb a bunch of Hanley's money in that possible deal. That's why Hanley went to the Dodgers instead, as LA took all he is owed.

 

I doubt the Brewers will trade Aramis and absorb some of his contract.

Huh, I read that the reason the A's held off on the trade was because of 'concerns about a hand injury'. When they did that the Dodger's swooped in and sweetened the deal by offering to pay all of his salary. I agree that the A's normally don't take on salary but who knows if it was the only reason for Beane not pulling the trigger.

 

Would it be worth it to dump Aramis and some of his contract in order to get a better prospect and partial financial flexibility or do they need to trade him and get rid of the entire contract and a lower level prospect? Not saying those are the only options but I'm curious what others think.

 

 

Slappzilla has become pretty notorious for assuming things lately. Just ignore it.

[TURBO]

IF we get Andrus in the Greinke deal, Aramis needs to stay put!!!!

[fondybrewfan]

It seems like the Andrus thing might be a bit overblown based on what TH just said

 

However he also just noted that Melvin has been getting calls on Aram and Hart but would have to be blown away to trade either of them.

[3and2Fastball]

Orioles are said to be looking for a 3B, too... I guess it really depends on if we are reloading for 2013 or rebuilding for 2014/2015

[igor67]

'but would have to be blown away' oh that's right up there with a vote of confidence in GM speak.

[gregmag]

Sorry if someone already linked to this. TH says the Brewers would have to be "bowled over" to trade Ramirez (or Hart):

 

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/brewers/listening-to-pitches-g168h3f-163805246.html

 

Now, we're talking about TH, which means somebody competent and hardworking had to transcribe this article from his original crayon scribblings. Still, I trust he isn't completely making this stuff up. Well, okay, "trust" is too strong; let's say it's just more interesting to assume he isn't making this stuff up.

 

In which case, WTH? (Mods: The "H" is for "heck." I know my responsibilities.) I deeply hope that this is just typical DM posturing, or that he'd be sufficiently "bowled over" if some team offered to pay Ramirez's whole contract and send back a halfway decent prospect. The argument for keeping Ramirez around just isn't very strong. He's getting older and more expensive. Even if we're contending by 2014 and he's still an .800 OPS guy, he'll probably need to be at 1b, and we'd be paying a premium for very ordinary production at a position where several of our in-house guys project to be competitive by then. If we manage to put together a run next year, the argument for him gets marginally stronger, but trading him will become harder with every passing day, and I think it's highly unlikely that his projected production at his salary is a good enough deal for us next year to be worth his albatross contract in 2014.

[Invader3K]

My guess is teams have been offering him scraps for Ramirez and/or Hart. Melvin is probably putting this out there to say, "Make me a legitimate offer and we'll talk some more."

[endaround]

There are no 3B to sign in the offseason. The position player FA market is terrible.

I actually went and looked this up.

FA 3B in 2013

 

David Wright

Kevin Youkliss

Mark Reynolds

Placido Polanco

Scott Rolen

Ty Wiggington

Brandon Inge

 

It is a short list, fwiw.

 

Wright will take huge $$$.

Youk is towards the backend of his career, but id take him if the price was right. He'd mash at miller park.

Reynolds can hit 40HR's if you don't mind dealing with his 220 strike outs and his 220avg

the rest are meh

 

Wiggington can play all infield positions sans SS and has pop. I think he'd come cheap as well. I'd take him.

 

As said Wright has an option that the Mets will pick up.

 

Youkilis really shouldn't play 3B and might be done due to constant injuries.

 

Reynolds is a 3B for fantasy purposes only. And he hasn't really been good since 2009.

 

Wigginston stinks.

 

The position player FA market is Hamilton and a ton of guys who are part time players. Which is why I don't think Ramirez needs to be moved right now. Teams are going to want to upgrade in the offseason, have a ton of money to spend and there isn't anything to spend it on.

[Kelbysdaddy]

Aramis is being mentioned with the a's. They have a lot of pieces from being sellers for the last few years.

[dlk9s]

Aramis is being mentioned with the a's. They have a lot of pieces from being sellers for the last few years.

 

[sarcasm]Aramis for Carlos Pena and Jeremy Giambi.[/sarcasm]

[TooLiveBrew]

Obligatory TLB linkage of Perfect Game pre-2012 Top 10 list for the A's

 

There are some interesting sounding arms, even a littler further down the list.

[HiAndTight]

My guess is teams have been offering him scraps for Ramirez and/or Hart. Melvin is probably putting this out there to say, "Make me a legitimate offer and we'll talk some more."

 

 

Why would you think that teams are offering scraps for Hart? That makes absolutely no sense. Hart's a valuable player and a nice bat for a team in need of one.

 

I doubt we'd get a legit prospect for ARam, but I agree, dumping the 30 million owed to him would be worth it.

[HiAndTight]

Aramis is being mentioned with the a's. They have a lot of pieces from being sellers for the last few years.

 

 

So what, we eat 10 million of the 30 owed to him the next two years in exchange for a decent arm in the lower levels? Given the current state of the Brewers, our payroll should be slashed, we should try to build a Packers like reserve fund to be used when we're actually a viable team again around '15/'16.

[TURBO]

You guys are forgetting something very important.

 

Aramis has a bobblehead scheduled to be given out in September.

 

There are 45,000+ bobbles produced for his bobble day, no way he gets traded with that event on the horizon...

[cvollbrecht]

You guys are forgetting something very important.

 

Aramis has a bobblehead scheduled to be given out in September.

 

There are 45,000+ bobbles produced for his bobble day, no way he gets traded with that event on the horizon...

 

Despite the sarcasm I think it plays a small factor. Maybe a very small factor and not enough to derail a trade, but enough for them to contemplate the ramifications and perceptions of a full out sell-off.

 

Trading off Greinke and Ramirez won't really hurt ticket sales this year, but it could affect pre-sales for next year if the casual fan thinks that the team will not be competitive. For people that are informed (like us messageboard junkies) it won't make a difference because we can see the bigger picture, but a lot of people won't see the bigger picture. These are the same people that couldn't name more than a handful of the Brewers top 20 prospects and don't see the value in getting young high-upside players.

[PeaveyFury]

But keep in mind that Melvin was the GM when they dumped Hammonds right before his bobblehead day. Not exactly the same situation, but still.

[monty57]

Do bobblehead collectors really care who the bobblehead is, or if he even plays on the team? The Brewers could do a Roger Staubach bobblehead and it'd increase ticket sales. The fact that Ramirez would no longer be a Brewer would probably make it more "collectable."

 

Regardless, I would hope the Brewers would be more interested in what's better for the team now and in the future and wouldn't be thinking about how a trade would affect a promotional gimmick.

[Invader3K]

Maybe the Brewers could throw ín the bobbleheads with Ramirez and the Dodgers could get them repainted.

[Mr Southpaw]

Adding a bat like Ramirez a DH could be tempting for an AL team. What AL contenders need an upgrade at DH?