Dodgers interested in Aramis Ramirez

[reillymcshane]

The A-Ram signing didn't thrill me, but he's been playing pretty good - especially with the (really) slow start. If he keeps hitting well, he could easily be an .850 OPS guy by the end of the year. Maybe better. He's got a ton of doubles - I think 27 or so. Some of those can easily turn into HRs in the 2nd half, so he could reach 25 or so HR instead of the 20 he's projected now. And while is defense isn't anything great, I've been happier with it than I anticipated.

 

That said, if the team really thinks they can't contend in the next two years, they should trade him. By the 3rd year of the deal, he'll be pushing 36, and a decline in productivity could easily be in the cards.

[scuttlebutts]

Most on this thread must agree that you have draw a line that deternins when to change things. I guess most would agree that the next two series will be the indicator. What counts as good or bad?

 

6 games = 4-2 46-48

5-1 47-47

6-0 48-46

[trwi7]

I think they should have started selling already. These next 6 games don't mean a ton to me. Even if they somehow sweep the next two series, they're still going to be behind two teams (at least) in the division just to give some perspective on how far behind they are.

[scuttlebutts]

Reaching at least 500 after next week would restore my faith in them again.

[igor67]

I'd be more interested in selling if I thought we could get players who were as good in return. Greinke, Ramirez, Marcum most of these guys have been well above average not just this year but for awhile. Regardless of the quality of the prosepct it is hard to match that level of above averageness. Greinke is in the conversation for one of the all time best pitchers we've ever had on the team. Ramirez is essentially an older Fielder (slightly less peak offensive value, but more defensive value). The 'future' we've traded away has yet to sniff any of these guys in terms of actual production. Some certainly could, but Mike Adams is probably the most valuable guy we've traded away in the last ten years. On the flipside all of our best players we either drafted or traded/signed for as established players. 15 years of following trade for the future deals and I haven't seen us pick up a whole lot of any future in those deals.

[monty57]

I'd be more interested in selling if I thought we could get players who were as good in return. Greinke, Ramirez, Marcum most of these guys have been well above average not just this year but for awhile.

 

Greinke and Marcum will be gone after this season. Unfortunately, Marcum probably won't be able to be traded due to injury, and that may cause us to not even offer the one-year deal to get draft picks, so he'll end up leaving for nothing - a career of Lawrie for 1.5 seasons of Marcum. As to Greinke, we don't need to get someone as good as Greinke in trade, we just need to get someone who is better than the compensatory draft picks we'd recieve when Greinke leaves as free agency. Plus, we'd save around $7MM in Greinke's contract and save around $4MM in signing bonuses to the draft picks.

 

Ramirez is in another category, as we "control" him for a few more years. We really need to determine if (A) he will regress due to age (B) if he will live up to the two-years/$30MM he's owed © what we could get in return in trade (D) if the money saved could be effectively used elsewhere.

 

The scenario I'd like to see happen would be for us to trade Ramirez for the package the Dodgers were going to trade for Jed Lowrie, which is Zach Lee and Gould, and then trade Greinke to Texas in a package built around Olt. Green would get an opportunity to sink-of-swim at 3B for the rest of this season and maybe the start of next. Olt will take over 3B next year and we'd add a couple more good young arms to hopefully give us a very good rotation in the coming years. If Green succeeds in his time as a starter, either he could be traded or he could move to 2B, making Weeks tradeable.

 

I wouldn't give Ramirez away for "salary relief" unless I was absolutely certain that the money saved was going to be used in a better manner.

[scuttlebutts]

Greinke skipping Wednesday start = trade!

[TooLiveBrew]

Greinke skipping Wednesday start = trade!

I do wonder if this is a situation where DM has a couple/few offers to consider, has been given maybe two or three more days to decide, and they want to ensure ZG doesn't get hurt.

[logan82]

Greinke skipping Wednesday start = trade!

I do wonder if this is a situation where DM has a couple/few offers to consider, has been given maybe two or three more days to decide, and they want to ensure ZG doesn't get hurt.

Pleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleaseplease

[scuttlebutts]

Greinke wouldn't skip a start unless there was something in it for him. Even if I' m wrong, then something is wrong. He reminds me of Favre of the packers, he tells management what to do as far as playing. His agent has more power right now than anyone including DM?

[scuttlebutts]

Terrible loss tonight - one loss away from the beginning of the trades. Ramirez might as well go too if we lose one of the next five games.k

[scuttlebutts]

Terrible loss tonight - one loss away from the beginning of the trades. Ramirez might as well go too if we lose one of the next five games.k

[PrinceEatMeat]

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Tim Brown says the Brewers are looking for major league pitching for Ramirez. I guess this at leasts means DM is open to trading him. There's just a set price.

[fondybrewfan]

Major League pitching could be a lot of different things I suppose. Maybe like Eovaldi?

[paul253]

Why major league pitching? Why limit yourself to that? A playoff team is not going to give up anyone worthwhile in the middle of a playoff run.

 

Between Peralta, Fiers, Thornburg, Gallardo, Narveson, Estrada and maybe even Mark Rogers the Brewers seem like they have enough arms to fill the 2013 rotation already. And this is not even counting possible Greinke or Marcum trades. If the Brewers were to trade Greinke to Texas for Olt and Perez and Ramirez to LAD for Lee and and someone else I'd be thrilled.

[trwi7]

Major league pitching may mean they're getting ready to trade Greinke. I don't like having players on the block for set positions though. Take the best deal.

[wibadgers23]

This doesn't suprise me since Melvin just hates trading for minor league players.

[reillymcshane]

If you deal A-Ram, you should simply get the best available, high ceiling player, as possible. I don't care if he's in A ball or wherever. We should go for upside and not try and add a mediocre veteran. We need cost control and upside. If you want a mediocre veteran pitcher, you can sign one in the off season.

[Raw Biz]

If you deal A-Ram, you should simply get the best available, high ceiling player, as possible. I don't care if he's in A ball or wherever. We should go for upside and not try and add a mediocre veteran. We need cost control and upside. If you want a mediocre veteran pitcher, you can sign one in the off season.

 

Exactly, I'm not understanding this. If they don't have to cover any portion of his contract, they are essentially "buying" whoever they trade for for the $3 million or whatever they've already paid to ARam. To be able to get some high-ceiling prospect for basically nothing would be great. I don't care about mediocre major league ready pitching.

[adambr2]

Is it such a crazy idea to build a team with the intent of getting the best possible players in trades, rather than limiting yourself to a specific position?

 

I hate how this team is run sometimes.

[jerichoholicninja]

Why major league pitching? Why limit yourself to that?

 

Why do people take every rumored word about possible, hypothetical, maybe-happening trades as 100% truth?

[ListachRides]

Major League pitching could be a lot of different things I suppose. Maybe like Eovaldi?

 

I hope so. I agree with what everyone else is saying, DM requiring major league pitching instead of taking the best available package is frustratingly short-sighted, though hardly surprising.

[Warning Track Power]

I might be nuts here guys but I would take Lee or Eovaldi and Dee Gordon for Ramirez. I like Gordon as much as a lot of you liked Taylor Green.

[trwi7]

I'd take Lee or Eovaldi straight up. I don't care about Dee Gordon. He's terrible on offense and defense.

[ninja33]

If you deal A-Ram, you should simply get the best available, high ceiling player, as possible. I don't care if he's in A ball or wherever. We should go for upside and not try and add a mediocre veteran. We need cost control and upside. If you want a mediocre veteran pitcher, you can sign one in the off season.

 

Exactly, I'm not understanding this. If they don't have to cover any portion of his contract, they are essentially "buying" whoever they trade for for the $3 million or whatever they've already paid to ARam. To be able to get some high-ceiling prospect for basically nothing would be great. I don't care about mediocre major league ready pitching.

 

Major league pitching does not necessarily mean a mediocre veteran. Like others have mentioned it could be a packagr built around a guy like eovaldi (comparable to guys in our AA/AAA right now). Also, a big reason to trade Ramirez is to get out from underneath his contract, so I would think they're not going to bring in a post arbitration veteran with a bigger contract.

 

I don't ever like limiting trade options, but like someone said "major league pitching" can mean a lot of things.