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2012-06-22 Brewers (Greinke) at White Sox (Sale), 7:10 PM CDT [Brewers win, 1-0, 10 innings; Greinke 9 IP]


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RRR said in the post game that "I wasn't going to send Zack out there for the 10th no matter what. Didn't matter how many pitches he threw it's the start/ stops that are what is hard on the arm. I wasn't going to do that to Zack"

 

That's not word for word but it's pretty close. Never heard the stop/start argument before.

 

So 9 stop/starts is ok but 10 is too much? Really?

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It's a stupid way of thinking. Coaches/managers are brainwashed with dealing with pitch counts, rest days, how many innings, etc....
"This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
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RRR said in the post game that "I wasn't going to send Zack out there for the 10th no matter what. Didn't matter how many pitches he threw it's the start/ stops that are what is hard on the arm. I wasn't going to do that to Zack"

 

That's not word for word but it's pretty close. Never heard the stop/start argument before.

 

That's an interesting opinion and I would say it's the complete opposite of conventional thinking on this issue. Most would say that cruising through quick innings is easy on the arm and that it is the long innings with high pitch counts that are difficult.

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RRR said in the post game that "I wasn't going to send Zack out there for the 10th no matter what. Didn't matter how many pitches he threw it's the start/ stops that are what is hard on the arm. I wasn't going to do that to Zack"

 

That's not word for word but it's pretty close. Never heard the stop/start argument before.

 

That's an interesting opinion and I would say it's the complete opposite of conventional thinking on this issue. Most would say that cruising through quick innings is easy on the arm and that it is the long innings with high pitch counts that are difficult.

 

Actually I would agree with Roenicke on this one, and this is coming from a guy who thinks that pitch counts are pretty much bunk. Cruising through innings is easy on the arm, but sitting for ten or fifteen minutes and restarting is not. Regarding pitch counts, I don't understand why 100 is a magic number. In the later innings, the difference between 100 and 120 is two or three pitches an inning.

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I think that's asking a lot of Roenicke to send Greinke out for a 10th inning, when he hasn't thrown a complete game while with the Brewers. It's not just pitch count, it's warm ups and rest. Granted, he probably would have been fine and was indeed cruising, but can you imagine the backlash if ZG woke up with a tweaked shoulder today? I'm with RR on this one.

 

Ax may be struggling, but their bed is made. They need to sink or swim with the guy. He's still their best option.

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but can you imagine the backlash if ZG woke up with a tweaked shoulder today? I'm with RR on this one.

 

Greinke had gone over 100 pitches in 9 of his 14 starts before last night. I imagine he would've had a short leash had he come out for the 10th, and probably deservedly so. It would've been silly to be mad at Roenicke for any potential injury because he threw 110-115 pitches, which he's done numerous times throughout his career without any arm injuries.

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