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2012-06-19 Blue Jays (Chavez) at Brewers (Thornburg), 7:10 PM CDT [Brewers lose, 10-9]]

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Quick question regarding the RR debate.

 

Is it the negativity that bothers those of you who always side with RR, or do you truly think RR has a clue how to manage a MLB team...

I'm fairly RR neutral, but yeah, the repeated whining, moaning, and name calling is really, really tiresome.

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Remember when A-Ram used to tear our hearts out? I like him better on our side.

 

Absolutely!

 

Hated him as a Cub, loving him as a Brewer. He sure can be clutch, as we saw time after time when he was wearing a cubs uniform.

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By the way, how huge was that foul on 3-2 by Braun. It was a really nice pitcher's pitch. Too close to take, but too difficult to hit. That was a DP pitch if I've ever seen one. But Braun spoiled it and the rest was fun.
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Your nuts and acting like a typical fan on many sports forums, way overreacting to everything.

 

Thornburg was pitching fine through five and there was zero reason for RR to pull him before the inning started. None. Maybe he waited one batter to many, but that's it.

 

Plus, our middle relief is garbage anyways.

 

I don't think I'm overreacting at all. Thornburg was pitching at AA yesterday, and tonight he's facing one of the toughest lineups in the majors. We got 5 great innings out of him. Asking him to go through that lineup a third time was asking for trouble, and that's what we got.

 

Thornburg will be a great pitcher for us, but we were expecting too much for a guy that's pitched 10 games in AA to come in and pitch six or more innings at the Major League level.

 

I have to say I agree...

 

You would expect a manager to be able to figure this stuff out on his own. It sometimes seems like RR is learning on the fly, except, that can't be true because he never makes corrections to the stupid things he does. He just keeps doing the same stuff over and over and over and over.

 

Before the 6th, I told my son that Thornburg should come out, avoid the loss, set him up for a possible win, and let him go to sleep tonight knowing he pitched a hell of a game against one of the most potent line-ups in the league. Instead, he is now dealing with disappointment instead of pride. If I can figure that out, why can't he?

 

Common sense really, which is always lacking in our dugout.

 

Thonburg was at only 75 pitches and hadn't been struggling. He wasn't on some low pitch count. No way in hell would i have pulled him before the 6th and i doubt other managers would have either, much less to put in that scrub Dillard. Zero reason to.

 

As for him "dealing with disappointment instead of pride", come on Turbo, i'm sure he's a big boy an will handle it fine. If he can't, he isn't long for the majors because big league hitters beat up all pitchers. It's part of the job description. Dust yourself off and take the ball five days later.

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Put me down as one that likes having A Ram on our team now. His heating up is so big for our offense.
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Quick question regarding the RR debate.

 

Is it the negativity that bothers those of you who always side with RR, or do you truly think RR has a clue how to manage a MLB team...

 

If you just get sick of the negative comments, I can fully undestand that being a drag, but after 1.5 years of watching RR flail around our dugout, I just can't see any reason to think he can run this team successfully... He was outmanaged by Ned Yost for God's sake.

 

The problem is when every questionable decision turns into "RR is an idiot...". Or decisions that have little or no consequence on the outcome of the game. It seems like some of you guys are looking for things to blame him for and aren't looking at it objectively.

 

For instance, had Thornburg been pulled after the 5th and then Dillard came in and promptly blown the lead, you guys would have been right on RR's throat.

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Before the 6th, I told my son that Thornburg should come out, avoid the loss, set him up for a possible win, and let him go to sleep tonight knowing he pitched a hell of a game against one of the most potent line-ups in the league. Instead, he is now dealing with disappointment instead of pride. If I can figure that out, why can't he?

 

Well next time type that in here so we have it on the record.

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RRR outmanaged big time, he leaves his guy in who clearly is done and Farrell practically beats the ball back to the mound after a 4 pitch Gomez walk

 

How did that work out for Farrell?

 

Not well.

 

Id say a 4 pitch walk to Gomez before Braun means you dont have good enough stuff to face Braun and Farrell is watching the game and figured that out. It seems like RR does not have that ability.

 

Its a tough spot to bring a guy in to face Ryan Braun with the bases loaded, 1 out and the tying run on 3rd. I have a feeling bad things would have happened if he stuck with the original guy also

 

My only point was that while overall i'm not a big fan of Roenicke, he isn't the clueless moron so many make him out to be either and baseball fans of pretty much every team go way overboard in nitpicking practically every move to death.

 

Players performing well make managers look smarter than they are and struggling players make managers look dumber. Talent wins in pro sports and managers IMO only have limited impact over a full season.

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Quick question regarding the RR debate.

 

Is it the negativity that bothers those of you who always side with RR, or do you truly think RR has a clue how to manage a MLB team...

 

If you just get sick of the negative comments, I can fully undestand that being a drag, but after 1.5 years of watching RR flail around our dugout, I just can't see any reason to think he can run this team successfully... He was outmanaged by Ned Yost for God's sake.

 

it's incredibly tiresome. I don't think he's a particularly good manager, but I don't think managers really have THAT big of an impact on a game. It seems as if 95% of the time when something goes wrong Roenicke is blamed for it. I will agree that Thornburg should have been pulled after the Bautista homer.....but I don't think any managers would have pulled him after 75 pitches and 5 good innings. And if Roenicke HAD pulled him followed by Dillard (or whoever) blowing the lead....it's not very hard to imagine the criticisms that would have been written from the anti-Roenicke camp.

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We differ in opinion, and that is just the way it is.

 

He had held one of the best offensive teams to 2 runs through 5 innings, imo, his job was done. He was about to face some bigtime hitters for the 3rd time in the same game. A recipe for disaster considering this is his first big league start.

 

Ok, so he lets him come out for the 6th, gives up a HR, maybe that is the first clue, and maybe THAT is the time to react. Nope, leaves him in. Gives up his 2nd HR, back to back. Maybe THAT is the time to make a move. Tie game, first big league start, let the regulars blow the lead, no harm no foul. Nope, he leaves him in to give up his 3rd HR, back, to back to back. Inexcusable as a manager. There really is no way to excuse his poor decision making, and it happens daily.

 

You have to understand when to handle a situation, especially a rookie against that line-up, the third time through. It is textbook rookie in his first start stuff. Big league hitters, third time through can figure a rookie out. If Dillard comes in and blows it, so be it. We have seen that before often enough...

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Quick question regarding the RR debate.

 

Is it the negativity that bothers those of you who always side with RR, or do you truly think RR has a clue how to manage a MLB team...

 

If you just get sick of the negative comments, I can fully undestand that being a drag, but after 1.5 years of watching RR flail around our dugout, I just can't see any reason to think he can run this team successfully... He was outmanaged by Ned Yost for God's sake.

 

The problem is when every questionable decision turns into "RR is an idiot...". Or decisions that have little or no consequence on the outcome of the game. It seems like some of you guys are looking for things to blame him for and aren't looking at it objectively.

 

For instance, had Thornburg been pulled after the 5th and then Dillard came in and promptly blown the lead, you guys would have been right on RR's throat.

 

 

False, as I said before, I wanted Thornburg out after the 5th, regardless of his pitch count.

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Before the 6th, I told my son that Thornburg should come out, avoid the loss, set him up for a possible win, and let him go to sleep tonight knowing he pitched a hell of a game against one of the most potent line-ups in the league. Instead, he is now dealing with disappointment instead of pride. If I can figure that out, why can't he?

 

Well next time type that in here so we have it on the record.

 

Lets keep this civil please.

"I'm sick of runnin' from these wimps!" Ajax - The WARRIORS
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Pull him please Ron.

 

He can't pull him, Veras is his 7th inning guy, and he is unavailable. Parra is in to finish the 7th so K-Rod can pitch the 8th.

 

It is set in stone, the RR stone of managing MLB.

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