2012-06-13 Brewers (Wolf) at Royals (Sanchez), 7:10 PM CDT [Brewers lose, 4-3, 11 innings]

[Bombers]

Booooooooooo! This team sucks ... Just sell sell sell

[reillymcshane]

Coming into tonight, our relievers have the 2nd worst era in baseball, given up the 4th most walks, and have the 2nd worst batting average.

 

And they got worse.

 

Pathetic.

[dlk9s]

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[Marc Newfield of Dreams]

I'm just about at my wits end with this team.

[TURBO]

How can you get tired of the RR bashing, he has proven time and time and time and time and time and time and time again that he is unable to handle this job.

[Glennron]

I'll be very curious to hear his thoughts on why he pulled Parra, if he even gets asked that question.

 

And in all honesty, I think I would've rather Loe been kept in than go to Veras there. Loe was putting them on a tee, but maybe they'd luck into a lineout DP or something. I feel like it was 50/50 Veras was going to walk in the winning run. Obviously not going to blame Roenicke for that though.

[Polish Falcons]

Will repeat the prior comments. Watching the game at home I was shocked to see Parra wasn't out there to pitch the 11th. He looked so great in the 10th. This is an extra inning game, who knows how long it will go. Obviously you stick with Parra in that situation. I guess not. Axford is a mess right now.

[TURBO]

Hey, we at least got to see Yost outmanage somebody...

 

Can it possibly get any worse than to be outmanaged by Nedley Freaking Yost?

 

It is fitting really.

[valpocrewsader]

Bullpens are crap shoots. When you "hit" and Parra is looking good with a quick inning, I have no idea why you would take the risk to dabble with new odds and throw a few more relievers into the mix in the next inning. Just be glad you got Parra on a good night, and ride him until he looks shakey. Cripes, it's an extra innings game and he's a former starter, you might need him for three innings and he stands a decent chance of giving it to you after that dominant first inning.

 

Why get cute and roll the dice for no reason??

[topper09er]

A good manager needs to handle each situation differently, not just use the best "average" move at all times. Maybe most of the time Wolf should be pulled but not every time because he "becomes" a 5+ ERA pitcher after 7 innings. If he is pitching well and not losing speed or location the averages should be thrown out the window.

This is exactly what Grady Little was thinking in '03. And it rightly cost him his job.

 

OK, Im not saying Wolf should have necessarily stayed in, but the problem is RR goes into each game with a predetermined plan and refuses to budge from it no matter that situation dictates. He wants his starter to go 7 and then KRod-Ax. Period, nothing else matters, that is what he is going to do.

[burnzy24]

With they way the every awful pitcher has stifled our bats and how bad our pitching has been outside a few, I think it might be time to can Narron or Kranitz or both.

[brewmann04]

This Bullpen is absolute horrible and they cam't throw strikes is inexcusable losing to a team coming in with only 8 home games. Veras and Krod and Ax have been really bad. It getting to be that time from having to stop watching the crew for a while. It going to be interesting to see what players will be moved at the deadline.the hitters left 12 men on base tonight really and the manger looks like he lost with some of these decisions.

[TURBO]

I'm going to watch this post game, barf bag in hand, and hope to God that one of the reporters there has the stones to ask him why he took Parra out of the game when he did.

 

His answer will be the typical nonsense, but he needs to be grilled.

[TURBO]

Reporter: Is the reason you pulled Manny because of the righty on righty matchup in the next inning?

 

RR: Yes, I have Loe and Veras in the bullpen, I shouldn't have to leave Parra in there.

 

 

HORSEPUCKY!

 

That was the extent of the questions asked regarding the situation... How about being a manager and managing the game and quit being a robot. he absoluetly has no clue how to run a ballclub. The players may like him, and he may be a great guy, but at some point, the players are not going to respect his managing capabilities. When that happens, you can kiss this season goodbye and start the head-on, full fledged fire sale.

 

If Attanasio and Melvin can't see what a joke of a manager this guy is, then they are as much at fault as he is.

 

I can't stand this any longer. I physically can not handle this garbage any longer. I am going to stay away from the game tomorrow night. As much as I enjoy watching Marcum pitch lately, I'm not going to watch, or listen. It's time for a break.

[sdcheezhd]

Turbo you are just quicker on the uptake than I am.

 

It seems like every fan thinks their team has the worst manager in baseball. Pads fans thought Bochy was the worst; I saw a lot of Pads games without caring too much if they won or not and I thought he was fine. They fired him and the next guy was worse. There are situations where it is arguable either way and the manager gets it wrong and it is frustrating when they get it wrong more often than not but mostly it's just second guessing and it can get annoying when the criticism is relentless.

 

But, the tipping point for me is when a manager gets it wrong, then does the exact same thing again when it is even clearer it's wrong. For Yost it was a game where he had a struggling Obermeuller bat with the bases loaded twice in the same game and both times he stranded the runners and then got bombed the next inning. The first time maybe you need to think about saving your bullpen but the second time you are deeper in the game with a guy who has already given up 6 or 8 runs so it's just stupid. Tonight is the Roenicke tipping point for me. Parra is tailormade for long stints in extras as long as he's on. Yes I can see pinchhitting for him in extras even though he's on, although it was the wrong spot to do it in that Giants game, but pulling him tonight when you've got a DH after a strong 9 pitch inning? Unless Parra goes on the DL tomorrow, no excuse.

 

Based on what happened with Yost, Roenicke will be the manager for at least another year after it's completely clear he's incompetent. I've tried for months to give him the benefit of the doubt. But I can't do it anymore. So I have to be a turborickey disciple.

[AZBrewCrew]

Isnt the Angels former hitting coach available?? He cant be any worse

[TURBO]

and on top of all of that, I must apologize to those who frequently post in these threads.

 

My hate for our manager has clouded my vision, and I was not able to recognize that some of you are probably tired of my act. I will try and refrain from commenting so frequently on my RR feelings. I said I will try, but I can't make any promises as I tend to let my heart do the talking all too frequently.

 

That said, I will be skipping tomorrow's game, as I said earlier, so hopefully, Marcum performs so well that even RR can't screw it up!

[AZBrewCrew]

in other news, Matt Cain just threw a perfect game.

[RightFieldCoder]

A good manager needs to handle each situation differently, not just use the best "average" move at all times. Maybe most of the time Wolf should be pulled but not every time because he "becomes" a 5+ ERA pitcher after 7 innings. If he is pitching well and not losing speed or location the averages should be thrown out the window.

This is exactly what Grady Little was thinking in '03. And it rightly cost him his job.

 

Grady Little watched Pedro give up three straight hits with a pitch count around 105 when he let him continue. Topper is referring to Wolf being pulled between innings with 95 pitches, looking very in control. Of course, Pedro was a much better pitcher than Wolf. I don't know whether I agree or disagree with the decision, but the Grady/Pedro comparison sorta seems like a reach.

Little was fired for having Pedro come out to pitch any of the 8th inning. The GM gave Little stats that showed after 85(?) pitches he wasn't that good anymore. Pedro pitched 90 pitches in 7 innings. Pedro acted like he was done for the night when he came out of the 7th. Little used his gut to decide that Pedro was "on" that night and should continue to pitch. Leaving him in there after 3 hits was just a different (and equally as bad) decision.

 

That was the comparison. Deciding Wolf was "on" and wanting to leave him in there despite stats that say he's not good late in the game.

[trwi7]

I didn't see the end of the game last night so I just watched the replay. I enjoyed Roenicke bringing in Veras when they absolutely needed the pitcher to throw strikes. Nothing screams strike thrower like Jose Veras.