Dave Bush?

[JohnBriggs12]

Ok, I know, we'd all love to see Thornburg, or even Fiers tried in the rotation while Estrada's down.

 

But the talk of Parra makes me ill. Bush is quietly have a nice season at AAA. He's coming off a complete game shutout in his last start on Tuesday. In fact, he's not allowed a run in his last 2 starts covering 16 innings.

Overall, he's 4-3 with a 2.73 ERA, and believe it or not, has only allowed 1 HR in 52 IP. If the Phillies don't call him up by June 1st, he can be a FA.

 

They brought back Vargas. Are they interested in a 2007 revival?

[derflotr]

I think I might be too biased to stay objective here, but if he can be had, I'm all for it.

[3and2Fastball]

I like Dave Bush as a spot starter more than Manny Parra, I'll put it that way.

 

But I like Estrada more than Bush, at least at this point in their careers. Bush's MLB WHIP has been over 1.469 each of the last 3 seasons and his ERA over 5 in those 3 years combined (a 5.79 ERA last season in 30 some innings)... The biggest problem with Bush is that he's not really effective out of the bullpen, if teams get to him they get to him early. He pitched pretty well in AAA last year before getting raked when the Phillies used him in MLB, so I'm not convinced his AAA numbers this season are an indication of him being ready for MLB this year

 

It wouldn't shock me to see the Brewers bring him in if he's available June 1st. Despite what I said about Bush out of the bullpen, he's gotta be better than Dillard or Perez, right?

[TooLiveBrew]

Dave Bush?

 

No, no, no, no, no. Not at all. Not one bit. No thanks.

[brettac1]

Get Bush and Branyan and let's get this party started.

[rwa12]

I sincerely hope that Doug did not throw out David Manning, Ben Hendrickson and Kevin Orie's numbers.

[chadomac]

Get Bush and Branyan and let's get this party started.

 

It's strange to me how often threads asking about bringing back some mediocre-at-best former Brewer come up. It's fairly regular.

[JohnBriggs12]

Get Bush and Branyan and let's get this party started.

 

It's strange to me how often threads asking about bringing back some mediocre-at-best former Brewer come up. It's fairly regular.

 

I normally wouldn't bring up Bush either. But the thought of Parra getting his 75th major league start next Tuesday after knowing how most of the first 74 ended up, a mediocre Dave Bush just seemed so much more sensible. Of all the guys with a lot of major league experience now toiling in the minors, Bush is probably in as good a form as any. It just happens he's a former Brewer.

 

Seriously, nothing Estrada's done has me convinced that he'd do any better than put up Dave Bush type numbers over the course of a season as a starter. That's not terrible for a 5th starter, so I can live with that. He throws harder than Bush, but he's also prone to the long ball. Estrada seems better suited to middle relief so putting him back there and replacing him in the rotation with Bush would be something worth considering. That is of course if they don't bring up Thornburg which on many levels would be the right move.

[monty57]

I'm not opposed to bringing in Bush on principle, but the Estrada injury just seems to be the perfect window to get Fiers or Peralta's feet wet in the majors. They come up with little pressure to get a few starts. If they do well, great. Maybe they bump Estrada back to the 'pen. If they falter, then they go back to AAA with some major league experience and knowledge of what they need to work on so that they're more ready when needed for the rotation next year.

 

If Melvin/Roenicke is so opposed to bringing up a minor leaguer to "hurt this year's playoff chances" then I would rather see Dave Bush start than Manny Parra.

[Bikeage77]

Get Bush and Branyan and let's get this party started.

 

What Melvin should do is drag Brooks Keishnick out of retirement. That would take care of a few problems in one clean swope!

[brettac1]

How about getting Sexson out of retirement?

[Eye Black]

Get Bush and Branyan and let's get this party started.

 

It's strange to me how often threads asking about bringing back some mediocre-at-best former Brewer come up. It's fairly regular.

 

Then how about a 4-time A.S. former Brewer.... where are you Ben Sheets?

[reillymcshane]

Bush is destined to get picked up by some other team, get hammered left and right, except for one game against the Brewers, where he'll throw 6 or 7 innings and not allow any runs. Suppanesque.

[HiAndTight]

Get Bush and Branyan and let's get this party started.

 

It's strange to me how often threads asking about bringing back some mediocre-at-best former Brewer come up. It's fairly regular.

 

I normally wouldn't bring up Bush either. But the thought of Parra getting his 75th major league start next Tuesday after knowing how most of the first 74 ended up, a mediocre Dave Bush just seemed so much more sensible. Of all the guys with a lot of major league experience now toiling in the minors, Bush is probably in as good a form as any. It just happens he's a former Brewer.

 

Seriously, nothing Estrada's done has me convinced that he'd do any better than put up Dave Bush type numbers over the course of a season as a starter. That's not terrible for a 5th starter, so I can live with that. He throws harder than Bush, but he's also prone to the long ball. Estrada seems better suited to middle relief so putting him back there and replacing him in the rotation with Bush would be something worth considering. That is of course if they don't bring up Thornburg which on many levels would be the right move.

 

 

Estrada's done nothing to convince you he could put up better numbers at this stage in his career than Dave Bush....what, other than actually putting up better numbers?

 

Bush was throwing about 86 MPH the last time he was in Milwaukee, and if you're going to cite Estrada's tendency to give up HR's, Dave Bush isn't the guy you should really be championing.

 

 

As for Parra over Bush, for a couple spot starts, I'll take the guy who at least has great stuff, can throw 94 and has a put away pitch. Bush has a 86 MPH fastball and a slow loopy curveball. He's 3-4 MPH and about 3-4 years away from being a viable option in any fashion for the Brewers in my opinion.

[HiAndTight]

Get Bush and Branyan and let's get this party started.

 

It's strange to me how often threads asking about bringing back some mediocre-at-best former Brewer come up. It's fairly regular.

 

Then how about a 4-time A.S. former Brewer.... where are you Ben Sheets?

 

[sarcasm]Mark Prior is trying another comeback. We could pick him up and hope he regains his 2003 form![/sarcasm]

 

Seriously though, I've heard about so many Prior comebacks. I've heard when he was with the Padres he was throwing in the early to mid 90's again. I just don't get how a guy can be THAT fragile.

 

And that's not all on Dusty as much as we might like to put it on him.

[JohnBriggs12]

HiAndTight,

 

What better numbers are you talking about? Estrada's got a career 4.95 ERA. I'm not saying he's a bad pitcher, but expecting him to be anything more than a solid 4-5 starter is wishful thinking. He's certainly a useful guy to have in that he can relieve or start with a modicum of effectiveness.

 

Bush's fastball speed is irrelevant. He's been a better starter over his career than Parra. The Brewers just finished a series where Clay Hensley made them look silly throwing 85 mph. I'm fully aware of his propensity for allowing home runs too. If you read my earlier point I made about Estrada, I made that clear.

 

Ultimately, the spot open is the 5th starter spot. That opens it up to Dave Bush types for consideration.

[HiAndTight]

HiAndTight,

 

What better numbers are you talking about? Estrada's got a career 4.95 ERA. I'm not saying he's a bad pitcher, but expecting him to be anything more than a solid 4-5 starter is wishful thinking. He's certainly a useful guy to have in that he can relieve or start with a modicum of effectiveness.

 

Bush's fastball speed is irrelevant. He's been a better starter over his career than Parra. The Brewers just finished a series where Clay Hensley made them look silly throwing 85 mph. I'm fully aware of his propensity for allowing home runs too. If you read my earlier point I made about Estrada, I made that clear.

 

Ultimately, the spot open is the 5th starter spot. That opens it up to Dave Bush types for consideration.

 

 

And Jim Thome was once a regular 40 HR threat. So what? I don't care about career numbers. Career numbers are far to often thrown into the equation in order to try and ignore recent trends and make a self serving argument. Estrada made fundamental changes last year and in his time with the Brewers, he has a 4.20 ERA and a 1.18 WHIP first of all. Bush in the same time has been just awful. In his last three years in the big leagues, he's put up a 5.33 ERA and a 1.50 Whip.

 

Second, where are you getting this "expecting him to be anything more than a 4/5 pitcher...etc..etc..." stuff is out of nowhere. Where did I say anything to that affect?

 

And I'll end this silly conversation with "fastball velocity doesn't matter," when talking about a fastball/curveball pitcher who's been terrible as of late when we have a plethora of far better options.

[Invader3K]

Apparently Bush is headed to pitch in Korea:

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/06/dave-bush-opts-out-of-contract-to-pitch-in-korea.html