Narveson to DL- Latest: Officially Out for the Year (Reply 81)

[FVBrewerFan]

Actually if Rivas was stretched out, that would have been a possibility. Now would have been a perfect time to see if he could be #5 type starter.

[FVBrewerFan]

Hopefully Estrada makes it 3-4 strong innings and Peralta takes the mound after that and goes as far as his production allows. I think this is Roenicke trying to be easy on his top prospects by not putting the pressure of starting on Peralta and just giving him the ball after Estrada who's been there before runs out of gas. We'll see if it works out.

 

 

I don't buy the pressure argument. Peralta is a starter, this is his opportunity to do that. it's not like this is September with a playoff spot on the line. I sure hope he can handle the pressure of making an April start at home.

[TuesdaysWithRillo]

Hopefully Estrada makes it 3-4 strong innings and Peralta takes the mound after that and goes as far as his production allows. I think this is Roenicke trying to be easy on his top prospects by not putting the pressure of starting on Peralta and just giving him the ball after Estrada who's been there before runs out of gas. We'll see if it works out.

 

 

I don't buy the pressure argument. Peralta is a starter, this is his opportunity to do that. it's not like this is September with a playoff spot on the line. I sure hope he can handle the pressure of making an April start at home.

 

I don't buy it either, myself. I agree with your thought process. I'm just trying to get into the weird mind of Roenicke. This is the reasoning I believe that he is using. Obviously that won't be confirmed until we hear from him if he chooses to elaborate on his decision.

[PrinceEatMeat]

The Brewers clearly think of Estrada as their #6 starter, so he gets first crack. They might change their minds if it's a long-term injury, but it's understandable if they want to delay Peralta's service clock. I'm not so sure that Peralta would be that much better than Estrada for the rest of this season, with it being his rookie year. I'd give Estrada first crack, and if he struggles Peralta should get his shot. Makes sense to me. Not sure why so many people are pissed off that Estrada is getting the nod for now. It's not like he's just handed the job for good. He's just the obvious first option. It doesn't bother me to try to hole Peralta back so he doesn't use up his service time right away.

[FVBrewerFan]

Yea, so we have a johhny whole-staff game that could mess up the bullpen for who knows how long instead of letting Peralta pitch, who could actually give you 7 innings.

[Ennder]

There was never a doubt in my mind it would be Estrada when the time came, he was very solid in the role last year and his improvements last year were supported by the peripherals. Don't see anything at all wrong with this.

[PrinceEatMeat]

I agree Ennder. Not sure why people are so up in arms about it. It was pretty much expected, and rightfully so. Peralta is the second option as a replacement starter behind Estrada.

[PrinceEatMeat]

Yea, so we have a johhny whole-staff game that could mess up the bullpen for who knows how long instead of letting Peralta pitch, who could actually give you 7 innings.

 

Why would we not start Estrada if the plan is to go with him from now on? Estrada can give us 4 innings, and be piggy backed by Peralta. That won't mess up the bullpen. Estrada needs to be stretched out if he's getting the spot, he can't do that in relief. That isn't enough reason to just give the start to Peralta. Estrada will be fully stretched out after a few starts. Not a big deal.

[TuesdaysWithRillo]

I agree Ennder. Not sure why people are so up in arms about it. It was pretty much expected, and rightfully so. Peralta is the second option as a replacement starter behind Estrada.

 

So you would send Peralta down after Estrada gets stretched out? Who should be the long man, then? McClendon?

[PrinceEatMeat]

I agree Ennder. Not sure why people are so up in arms about it. It was pretty much expected, and rightfully so. Peralta is the second option as a replacement starter behind Estrada.

 

So you would send Peralta down after Estrada gets stretched out? Who should be the long man, then? McClendon?

 

Yeah, Peralta can't be kept as a long reliever. He needs to be starting in AAA. McClendon and Parra should fill the long relief role just fine. If not, maybe Fiers or McClung is an option. Should be fine though. Maybe if Parra is more of a long reliever, Stetter could eventually be an option to step in as a lefty specialist. Just saw on twitter that Roenicke said Estrada can throw 70-75 pitches tomorrow. Shouldn't take him more than another start after that to get stretched out. 70-75 tomorrow, 85-90 the next, then he should be good to go.

[ninja33]

I don't have a problem with Estrada starting, I just don't want Peralta to end up in a long relief role this early in the season. He needs to be in a rotation, whether it's in milwaukee or nashville. The difference to the major league team between Estrada and Peralta probably isn't much...I just want Peralta to be in a rotation somewhere.

[FVBrewerFan]

Why would you bring Peralta up to piggy-back behind Estrada? Then you may as well bring up Rivas instead. Peralta is a starter, why would you bring him up and use him out of the pen? Plus, he is supposed to be a part of the future rotation. I'm glad Estrada struck gold in a few starts last year, I just don't believe he can do it again. Sure, Peralta may not do much better as a rookie, but that's the point. Let him get that rookie year out of the way now that the door is open.

[TuesdaysWithRillo]

Why would you bring Peralta up to piggy-back behind Estrada? Then you may as well bring up Rivas instead. Peralta is a starter, why would you bring him up and use him out of the pen? Plus, he is supposed to be a part of the future rotation. I'm glad Estrada struck gold in a few starts last year, I just don't believe he can do it again. Sure, Peralta may not do much better as a rookie, but that's the point. Let him get that rookie year out of the way now that the door is open.

 

Rivas is not on the 40 man roster and the Brewers have no openings on there currently. Calling up Peralta avoids the roster move. Plus, Rivas just isn't very good, IMO. He had trouble getting out minor leaguers last season.

 

I would call up Fiers over Rivas because he's actually on the 40 man and he's considerably better, IMO.

[endaround]

Estrada is a right handed version of Narveson.

[markedman5]

Ok so by RR's logic Peralta isn't starting because of the "freak out factor".

 

Doesn't every rookie pitcher have to make that first start at some point?

 

https://twitter.com/#!/trenni/status/193456758415560707

[Ennder]

My guess would be he is talking about the sudden nature of the thing, most pitchers get some sort of warning ahead of time that they will be pitching. I think that is a pretty weak argument in general though.

[ninja33]

yea, that's what i was thinking as far as having "no warning". also about it being a weak argument.

[PrinceEatMeat]

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/148328925.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

 

Here's more on the situation. Makes it sound like the plan was for Estrada all along, and that he's the plan going forward. Not that Peralta isn't starting due to possible nerves.

[Oxy]

Ok so by RR's logic Peralta isn't starting because of the "freak out factor".

 

Doesn't ever rookie pitcher have to start for the first time once in their career?

 

https://twitter.com/#!/trenni/status/193456758415560707

 

Well, kind of. There are lots and lots of guys who start out their careers in the bullpen, getting used to big league life both on and off the mound before starting their first game. Give them some low pressure situations where they can be successful rather than giving a guy 24 hours notice to make his big league debut for a pennant caliber ball club. If this were 2005, starting Peralta would make a lot more sense, as the pressure to win was basically non-existent at that time. Games matter now, and the pressure to be successful is in a different stratosphere now than it was then.

 

It depends on Peralta's make-up as well. If he has a Gallardo-type of mentality it probably doesn't matter one way or the other. If he has a Parra type of mentality, some kid-gloves may be warranted in how he is introduced to the big leagues.

[Nottso]

I've always thought that Estrada was a more effective starter than Narveson. Can anyone compare Estrada as a starter to Narveson by the numbers? I took a peek at baseball reference but it made my eyes glaze over and my head started to hurt.

[markedman5]

Brewer's had a decent team in 2007 and they didn't have any problem calling up Yo and throwing him into the fire.

 

Quit babying these guys. Peralta could easily be as good if not better then Estrada and if we start him we don't weaken the pen.

 

Estrada+Mcclendon or Peralta+Estrada?

 

I'll take my chances with the later. If he gets bombed a few times you can always go to plan B.

[Thurston Fluff]

I agree with Oxy in a lot of his post. I'll add that IIRC Peralta was one of the people who kind of bombed when he was being looked at to start the season last year for Marcum. I know it's a year removed but it was also a lot less stress in spring training. This seems to be a pattern for Ron so it's consistent. He seems to like to give his rookies a couple days of sitting and watching then gets them into a game. If there are alternative I don't think it hurts anything and getting a couple days to figure out the daily routine can have some advantages. Perhaps small ones but still why not take them if there are viable alternatives?

[PrinceFielderx1]

Doug Melvin a couple years ago didn't have any problem having Gallardo AND Parra in the rotation to start the season (when they were rookies) and say they are going to contend. All of a sudden they are concerned about the pitcher? Give me a break. The same thing with Gamel, he barely has mlb experience and all of a sudden they are just giving him the 1B job outright and publicly giving him a very long leash to boot. If you can do all of those things then you should have no problem starting Peralta out of the rotation. None. This doesn't make any sense.

[Funketown]

Gallardo was more dominant in his last full calendar MiLB season (FIP ~2.25 between A+, AA, and AA) than Peralta (~3.00 FIP between AA and AAA). I'm skeptical that Peralta can step in right now and be an above-average MLB pitcher. He has all of 8 starts under his belt in AAA, so I just don't see the need to rush him, unless Estrada really struggles.

 

Estrada was fairly solid last season and I see no reason why he can't be a decent #5 pitcher while the Brewers figure things out. His peripherals were quite good last season, so I'm cautiously optimistic.

[Thurston Fluff]

Doug Melvin a couple years ago didn't have any problem having Gallardo AND Parra in the rotation to start the season

 

IIRC Neither of them got their first taste of the majors to start the season. YoGa was called up during the season and Parra had all of 26 innings in his first taste of the majors. I don't believe either of them got called up and had to pitch right away with no warning and only one day to get used to the majors. Even if that was their first taste what does that have to do with Ron's way of handling the situation now?