Is Michael Young a Future H.O.F'er?

[TooLiveBrew]

All-Star Game MVP? Come on.

[bobbledude25]

All-Star Game MVP? Come on.

 

blame ESPN and their player profile. Not me

[TooLiveBrew]

Well you could have just not listed it, since it's pretty meaningless.

 

The guy is what he is, a solid player who's nowhere near being a HOF candidate in the era in which he's played. There's nothing wrong with that, and in saying that I'm not "hating" or calling him a bad player.

[bobbledude25]

Yes, clearly I know it is the least relevant award but the All-Star game is pretty important nowadays in MLB.

 

You're clearly upset about the "hater" comment. I added an LOL after it cuz it was more of a joke then anything. You can't call him nowhere near being a HOF canidate or it wouldn't be so heavily debated here or anywhere else for that matter. Calling him a solid player who won't get in is fine by me. I don't think he gets in right now either. I have problems with people who call him an "average" player. I don't buy the era which he's played era either. Pitching today is better today then ever before. Sure he's not Paul Molitor but he's not Alex Gonzalez either

[topper09er]

Yes, thank you again Topper. I remember who my post is about.

 

Were also debating whether Michael Young a 'bad fielding SS/3B and a weak hitting DH" that's a lifetime .304 hitter, 2,061 hits, 6 time all-star, 1 Gold Glove (must have been a fluke), All-Star game MVP is worthy of Hall of Fame consideration.

 

Are contending that Michael Young is not a bad fielding SS/3B? If so you should present argument backing this position up. Are you also contending Michael Young is not a weak hitting DH? If so you should present an argument backing this position.

 

Are you saying 2000+ hits with a .300+ average by age 34 is good enough for HOF consideration or is a good standard to judge HOF worthiness? If so then Barry Bonds and Ted Williams don't make the cut.

 

I won't even address the fact that you think a gold glove or AS game MVP should even be considered in a HOF argument.

[Menace II Sobriety]

Shouldn't this post really be titled "I'm a guy that collects autographs at any costs and I just got Michael Young's should I sell it now or do you think he could make the Hall of Fame and I could sell it for more?"

[topper09er]

...but the All-Star game is pretty important nowadays in MLB.

 

Um, no its not. The average Brewer fan probably couldn't even name last year's ASG MVP. The next time you are at a game ask the people sitting around and see how many get it.

[TooLiveBrew]

You're clearly upset about the "hater" comment.

I wouldn't say I'm upset, I just loathe that tactic in debates/arguments, because imo it's lazy. It'd be the same as dismissing praise of Young by saying, "You guys are just drinking the kool-aid".

 

You can't call him nowhere near being a HOF canidate or it wouldn't be so heavily debated here or anywhere else for that matter.

To be fair, the "debate" is based on whether or not people think the most important thing a player can do is hit singles. The vast majority of people in this discussion seem to feel that isn't true, so no I don't think it's a stretch to say that he's not a legit HOF candidate. It doesn't feel like a debate to me, that's just imo, to me a debate needs more balance & this seems pretty one-sided in the "no" camp.

 

I don't buy the era which he's played era either. Pitching today is better today then ever before. Sure he's not Paul Molitor but he's not Alex Gonzalez either

Well, if you don't "buy" that era is important, I don't know how this can be an objective discussion. Hitting today is also better than ever before, which means that singles specialists like Young no longer carry the same value they once did.

 

He's solid, he's a 'ring of honor' type that his own club can recognize, but he doesn't belong anywhere near a serious HOF discussion imo.

[bobbledude25]

Oh Topper, I'm not here to argue points and spend hours going through stats or argue who can field, who can't or whether someone's a good DH or not. We'd be here for days. Again, right now I don't think he's a HOF player. Clear? I'm asking people's opinions on whether he is a HOF player or not. You, my friend feel very strongly that he is not a HOF player. For that, I value your opinion, right or wrong and I appreciate it. Move on

[bobbledude25]

TooLiveBrew - Thank you for the dissection of every sentence I type. Please see my post to Topper. Thank you

[topper09er]

He's the 3rd fastest right-handed hitter to ever reach 2,000 hits.

 

When you present incorrect arguments to support your position it should be pointed out.

 

I agree right now he shouldn't get in but the possibility of him making it in can happen.

 

I guess if your argument is that there is about a 1% chance of Michael Young making the HOF then it "can" happen, but that is basically the point everyone here is making.

 

You asked for people to say why he is not a HOF player and I did that any you are acting like I am attacking you. I said he is an average player because he is, by the time he retires I guarantee he will average 2.0 WAR/season or less, the very definition of an average player. You need to get over the fascination with his batting average because it the only thing he does above average.

[TooLiveBrew]

Hard to have a discussion based around evidence, when the evidence is deemed out of bounds or a waste of time. People can't dismiss, based on evidence, that Young will be HOF-worthy, but you can dismiss facts & evidence that indicate he will not be. I don't get playing the "oh geez, gimme a break, I don't have time for this" card after you took the time to start a thread about this, respond multiple times, & lobby for Young. But, like you say, move on.

[RockCoCougars]

Bottom line:

 

3,000 hits = Yes

<3,000 hits = No

 

It all depends on how he ages, and whether teams are willing to make room for him in their lineup when he hits 39 or 40. These things generally tend to work themselves out with the 'elite' guys getting that chance, and the borderline guys not. Off the top of my head, I'm thinking of guys like Baines, Buckner, etc. We are seeing that right now with Johnny Damon (who I want to get 3,000.... because ironically enough, I have an autographed rookie card of his that I got out of an impulse buy on a pack of cards which was guaranteed an autograph in I believe 1996).

 

In my view, Young's best chance would involve staying relatively healthy and productive and doing so in Texas a la Biggio with the Astros.

[Menace II Sobriety]

Bobbledude has 514 posts 214 of them are in the trading section, that equals 41.63% of all posts are in the area of trying to profit off of pieces that he acquired. Maybe his intentions are genuine but as soon as I read this post I thought he was asking a different question.

[thebruce44]

Oh Topper, I'm not here to argue points and spend hours going through stats or argue who can field, who can't or whether someone's a good DH or not. We'd be here for days. Again, right now I don't think he's a HOF player. Clear? I'm asking people's opinions on whether he is a HOF player or not. You, my friend feel very strongly that he is not a HOF player. For that, I value your opinion, right or wrong and I appreciate it. Move on

 

lol good bye Topper

 

You're unbelievable. You want people's opinions on whether he is a HOF player or not, but only if they agree with you. Got it. Move on.

[jjkoestler]

Michael Young WOAHs SOLVDD

[dlk9s]

More like Michael OLD.

[endaround]

There is no comparison between Biggio and Young. Biggio was one of the best player in his generation.

[RockCoCougars]

There is no comparison between Biggio and Young. Biggio was one of the best player in his generation.

 

I largely agree with this. The reason that I threw Biggio into this argument is that he would have had a much harder time finding someone to allow him to get to 3,000 hits had he left Houston during his mid/late 30's. Though he has fallen off much more than Biggio did, IRod is basically in this boat now begging for a job in the chase of 3,000.

[Raw Biz]

Bobbledude has 514 posts 214 of them are in the trading section, that equals 41.63% of all posts are in the area of trying to profit off of pieces that he acquired. Maybe his intentions are genuine but as soon as I read this post I thought he was asking a different question.

 

I was just going to post that. And this is his most active topic. Just a quick glance at his posts and almost everything seems to be ticket/trading related. Not saying that's a bad thing but it's hard to take someone serious when they start a topic asking a question and then get mad when people give their opinions on it.

 

Personally, I think he's a solid offensive player but definitely not HOF-worthy at this point. I think 3000 hits would be an almost automatic in but I doubt he'll get there.

[bobbledude25]

Bobbledude has 514 posts 214 of them are in the trading section, that equals 41.63% of all posts are in the area of trying to profit off of pieces that he acquired. Maybe his intentions are genuine but as soon as I read this post I thought he was asking a different question.

 

 

Holy cow dude. Stalk much? now I'm getting insulted for where I post? lol. you guys are awesome. I've never sold ONE auto'd item on this board nor have I sold any autograph I've EVER got in person. You probably know where I live to so feel free to stop by and check out the collection. Young ball included. Good try

[brettac1]

No, he's not.

 

Pretty good player, though, and he got to hit in a great park.

[thebruce44]

Bobbledude has 514 posts 214 of them are in the trading section, that equals 41.63% of all posts are in the area of trying to profit off of pieces that he acquired. Maybe his intentions are genuine but as soon as I read this post I thought he was asking a different question.

 

 

Holy cow dude. Stalk much? now I'm getting insulted for where I post? lol. you guys are awesome. I've never sold ONE auto'd item on this board nor have I sold any autograph I've EVER got in person. You probably know where I live to so feel free to stop by and check out the collection. Young ball included. Good try

 

He clicked one link, your name:

 

http://forum.brewerfan.net/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=1091

[Menace II Sobriety]

He's an autograph hound as Seinfeld would say "not that there's anything wrong with that". I only clicked on one link to find out your info. Saying "sold" is a questionable term, Bill Clinton did not have sexual relations with that woman.

 

viewtopic.php?f=68&t=21390&p=580792&hilit=bobbledude#p580792

 

 

viewtopic.php?f=67&t=11893&p=324563&hilit=bobbledude#p324563

 

It is obvious you collect as many autos as you can to "trade" if not sell on this forum and you set up a paypal account (which you needed help to decipher) also on this forum so one can only infer this was to sell auto's.

 

I really don't care but it didn't take more than 30 seconds to see other topics where you sell and trade all types of autos, but I already knew this from reading previous threads from the BOBBLEDUDE. My only point was that as soon you opined about that auto you got from a guy that rarely signs in a perfect spot while asking about his HOF prospects seemed more than just a simple yes/no.

[jerichoholicninja]

Well this took an unexpected turn.