Random MLB News And Discussion 2012

[xisxisxis]

We know how poorly ARamhas started this year, but he's stll 120 OPS points higher than casey mcgehee. when will the Pirates cut bait?

[Blancofan1]

Heard them talking about Mark Ellis' injury during the game and it peaked my interest to look into it a bit farther. I had no idea it was nearly as bad as it apparently was. If he didn't have surgery within six or seven hours of when he did, he may have had to have his leg amputated! That's crazy when they thought he had sprained his knee and it could have turned that ugly.

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/dodgers-lose-ellis-least-six-082036613--mlb.html;_ylt=AkM2eIFrhLkqconQNz9tVEuFCLcF

[monty57]

Heard them talking about Mark Ellis' injury during the game and it peaked my interest to look into it a bit farther. I had no idea it was nearly as bad as it apparently was. If he didn't have surgery within six or seven hours of when he did, he may have had to have his leg amputated! That's crazy when they thought he had sprained his knee and it could have turned that ugly.

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/dodgers-lose-ellis-least-six-082036613--mlb.html;_ylt=AkM2eIFrhLkqconQNz9tVEuFCLcF

 

Yeah, this is why you take players out of the game to have things checked out. After the injury, he went back out and played, just like Gamel. When are teams going to realize that the end of the current game isn't as important as potentially destroying a player's career, and there are a lot of things a trainer can't figure out during an on-the-field exam?

[jjfanec]

We know how poorly ARamhas started this year, but he's stll 120 OPS points higher than casey mcgehee. when will the Pirates cut bait?

 

He also has an OPS higher than Brett Lawrie's. Our former SS - Hardy (.756), Yuni (.753) and Escobar (.753) - have higher OPS that the 3 3B that are connected to the Brewers - ARam (.692), Lawrie (.685) and Casey (.530)

[bullox]

Stephen Strasburg is 6-16 with 3 doubles and a dinger at the plate this year. 1.162 OPS.

[jjfanec]

Stephen Strasburg is 6-16 with 3 doubles and a dinger at the plate this year. 1.162 OPS.

 

Wow! Can he play SS?

[RockCoCougars]

I just watched Jamey Wright pitch to Henry Blanco... blew my mind. If you would have told me ten years ago that this would happen, I'd have had you committed.

[Invader3K]

Some rumors are starting to swirl on Twitter and elsewhere that the Steinbrenner family may be exploring the idea of selling the Yankees. Would be interesting if it's indeed true.

[dlk9s]

I'll chip in $100.

[Baldkin]

I'll chip in $100.

 

Only need another 30 million people to do that, and we'll have enough!

[HiAndTight]

Heard them talking about Mark Ellis' injury during the game and it peaked my interest to look into it a bit farther. I had no idea it was nearly as bad as it apparently was. If he didn't have surgery within six or seven hours of when he did, he may have had to have his leg amputated! That's crazy when they thought he had sprained his knee and it could have turned that ugly.

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/dodgers-lose-ellis-least-six-082036613--mlb.html;_ylt=AkM2eIFrhLkqconQNz9tVEuFCLcF

 

Yeah, this is why you take players out of the game to have things checked out. After the injury, he went back out and played, just like Gamel. When are teams going to realize that the end of the current game isn't as important as potentially destroying a player's career, and there are a lot of things a trainer can't figure out during an on-the-field exam?

 

 

So what do you do, take out every single player who gets shaken up on the field?

 

Players need to be responsible for their own well being in large part as well. If a player twists a knee, the trainer comes back out and the player says it's fine, I think you're putting too much on the trainer to force him out of the game.

[HiAndTight]

I'll chip in $100.

 

Only need another 30 million people to do that, and we'll have enough!

 

Heck, if the Dodgers went for 2.2 without getting full parking rights, you might need 40 million people to do that.

 

God would I love to see a Carl Pohlad type guy go out and buy the Yankees. Do what he did to the Twins. Die with his billions of dollars without trying to build a winner.

 

 

Can you imagine if Mark Attanasio had Pohlad type money? We'd have Greinke re-signed, Prince at 1st and CC in our starting rotation!

[monty57]

Heard them talking about Mark Ellis' injury during the game and it peaked my interest to look into it a bit farther. I had no idea it was nearly as bad as it apparently was. If he didn't have surgery within six or seven hours of when he did, he may have had to have his leg amputated! That's crazy when they thought he had sprained his knee and it could have turned that ugly.

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/dodgers-lose-ellis-least-six-082036613--mlb.html;_ylt=AkM2eIFrhLkqconQNz9tVEuFCLcF

 

Yeah, this is why you take players out of the game to have things checked out. After the injury, he went back out and played, just like Gamel. When are teams going to realize that the end of the current game isn't as important as potentially destroying a player's career, and there are a lot of things a trainer can't figure out during an on-the-field exam?

 

Big difference between "shaken up" and having your knee twist in a weird direction. The teams put huge investments into the players, so I think it is absolutely the trainers' job to pull players if there's a chance of significant injury. The risk scenario is pulling a non-injured player and losing one game vs not pulling an injured player and (as in Ellis' case) having the player lose his leg. Not much of a decision in my mind.

 

 

So what do you do, take out every single player who gets shaken up on the field?

 

Players need to be responsible for their own well being in large part as well. If a player twists a knee, the trainer comes back out and the player says it's fine, I think you're putting too much on the trainer to force him out of the game.

[HiAndTight]

Big difference between "shaken up" and having your knee twist in a weird direction. The teams put huge investments into the players, so I think it is absolutely the trainers' job to pull players if there's a chance of significant injury. The risk scenario is pulling a non-injured player and losing one game vs not pulling an injured player and (as in Ellis' case) having the player lose his leg. Not much of a decision in my mind.

 

 

 

You're using hindsight to justify your argument. What I'm saying is professional athletes often twist a knee or ankle and it might look bad and far more often than not, they're fine. So because you've got a couple examples when the players themselves weren't honest, you want to do what? I'm not sure here. Force the player out of the game?

And bringing up Ellis. Please list the last time something like that came close to happening in baseball? Not tell me how many times the trainers come out every day in baseball?

So no, there isn't a "big difference," between being shaken up and having your knee twisted(in an awkward direction, though that's redundant...if it twists anyway it's awkward).

And citing how much these teams have invested into these players is irrelevant....

 

I think this is alarmist and knee jerk.

 

Are you upset that Marcum hasn't been taken out of a couple of starts this year when he was sore? That Braun stayed in the game when he had an Achilles problem initially?

 

 

If the player says he's fine, and can move around, who's the trainer to say, "no, you can't play?"

 

And again...using Mark Ellis as an example is kinda weak IMO. That's a extraordinarily rare situation from a sprained knee. It's like saying you shouldn't practice in weather above 80 degrees because Korey Stringer died during a practice from heat exhaustion?

 

 

I guess my problem is you have no criteria other than, "the trainers should take these guys out of the game." And I ask again, based on what? If they can't detect anything on the field and the player says he's fine...why are we to put this all on the trainers lap?

[jjgott]

Does anyone think Lincecum has completely lost it or is it just an unlucky year? Man, he has been el stinko the last few starts!

[3and2Fastball]

The Big Donkey (Adam Dunn) went yard again tonight. 15 HR's on the season. He's on pace for 53 this season... he now has 379 career HR's and a career .374 OBP ... He is 32 years old. Do you think Dunn will make the Hall of Fame if he hits 500 HR's? Or will he need to hit 600 to get in?

 

Other than last season, he has pretty much averaged 40 HR's a season for 7-8 straight years. I could see him hitting another 200 HR's over the next 5-6 seasons and being around 570 for his career at age 37 or 38... what do you think?

[RockCoCougars]

Vinny Rottino lives. Hit his first MLB homer today to match fellow Racine native Duane Kuiper (in roughly 3,500 less PA!).

[brettac1]

That's how far Ike Davis has fallen. He is giving way to Rottino at 1B lately.

[brettac1]

The Big Donkey (Adam Dunn) went yard again tonight. 15 HR's on the season. He's on pace for 53 this season... he now has 379 career HR's and a career .374 OBP ... He is 32 years old. Do you think Dunn will make the Hall of Fame if he hits 500 HR's? Or will he need to hit 600 to get in?

 

Other than last season, he has pretty much averaged 40 HR's a season for 7-8 straight years. I could see him hitting another 200 HR's over the next 5-6 seasons and being around 570 for his career at age 37 or 38... what do you think?

If he hits 500 he should definitely be in. He's one of my favorite players ever, though, so I am undoubtedly biased.

[Funketown]

Dunn might just be the first 500 HR guy who you can argue should not get in based on his on-field record. I really like him, but I view him as a borderline HOF'er if he finishes in the 500-525 HR range. I tend not to hold his fielding against him, as it's really not his fault Cincy and Washington kept running him in the outfield when he should have been a 1B or DH. He hit a ton of homers, but his career batting line of .243/.374/.505 certainly doesn't jump off the page for a 1B/DH.

[bullox]

I guess it comes down to, what else does he do? Does he just hit homeruns? Has he ever led a team on a deep postseason run? MVP votes, etc?

 

Not a chance imo.

[dlk9s]

I guess it comes down to, what else does he do? Does he just hit homeruns? Has he ever led a team on a deep postseason run? MVP votes, etc?

 

Not a chance imo.

 

I don't care about those things, especially MVP votes. I'm not saying he deserves/doesn't deserve to be in the HOF, I just don't really care about team postseason runs or old fogey sportswriters when it comes to evaluating a player.

[bullox]

 

I don't care about those things, especially MVP votes. I'm not saying he deserves/doesn't deserve to be in the HOF, I just don't really care about team postseason runs or old fogey sportswriters when it comes to evaluating a player.

 

Well this discussion is about whether or not he will make the HOF, and old fogeys vote on that, and they do care about that stuff.

[dlk9s]

True, true.

[splitterpfj]

Derek Jeter has his 3,154th career hit, tying him with George Brett for 15th all-time.

 

Next up, Cal Ripken Jr, who retired with 3,184.