May 22nd NBA draft lottery

[trwi7]

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Another name to throw out if they get a lower pick (4-6) is Mike Conley. Mo Williams is a free agent, and I don't like him at the point anyways. You could pencil in Conley at the point for the forseeable future. I love Conley's game.

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Oh God help me. Why do people hate Mo Williams? 17/5/6 from a 24 year old PG is damn good.

[paul253]

I would love to add Mike Conley. I dont think there is any hate for Mo, but he is a free agent so there's no guarentee he'll be back.

 

If they somehow get Oden, perhaps they could trade Bogut to a team like Philly for the #12 pick, since Philly has 3 first rounders, then draft a guy like like Conley. Conley to me seems like a guy who would be very solid and dependable. A pass first PG who could eventually turn into a Mike Bibby type player at 15 points, 7 assists a game. If he's not around maybe a Julian Wright or Al Thornton to shore up the front court.

 

If they dont get Oden and stay at 3, maybe they could trade down with Portland and the #6 pick (assuming they also stay put), and then maybe swap second rounders with the Bucks picking up #37 overall and Portland getting #56 overall. In this case, the Bucks could maybe grab Corey Brewer or Roy Hibbert and #6 and then a guy like Nick Fazekus or Sean Williams from BC at #37. Adding Brewer and Williams could really help defensively.

 

On a side note, in my opinion, talking about the NBA draft is far more exciting for local fans than the NFL draft, because Ted Thompson seems to always come up with some pick out of the middle of nowhere, whereas the Bucks seem to grab a guy that all of us are actually rooting for.

[sheetswannabe]

Patterson and Bell are the only average/above average defenders.

[RockCoCougars]

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If they somehow get Oden, perhaps they could trade Bogut to a team like Philly for the #12 pick,

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All I can say to that is wow. I'll be the first person to admit that Bogut has been a little underwhelming his first two seasons. That said, I can't believe people are willing to give up on him so quickly. He's been playing in Stott's guard oriented offensive system the past two seasons, the first year, he was sharing the court with another center (Magliore) for a good chunk of his minutes.

 

I'm willing to give Larry K. a chance to better utilize his skills before I dump him on the scrap heap. Actually, the discussion about trading Bogut reminds me a lot of all the "let's trade Hardy" talk that was going on here just a few months ago. I'm willing to give him another year to succeed before just giving up on him....

 

Like I said, I'm not too keen on Oden. If the Bucks got the number one pick somehow, I just don't see how they could pass on Durant. The kid is amazing, and all the K.G. comparisons are definitely warranted.

[trwi7]

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If they somehow get Oden, perhaps they could trade Bogut to a team like Philly for the #12 pick,

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Trade the #1 pick from two years ago for the 12th pick in the draft. Brilliant.

[BoneDaddyKool]

I'll start the "Conspiracy Theory" right here, No way Boston doesn't get the 1 or 2 pick.

 

Bring on the "Cold" Envalope.

 

If that happens, and the Knicks get the other 1or 2, I will rest my case.

[Fatter than Joey]

Bogut isn't a bust yet -

 

I agree -- Esp. when you look at the coaching he has had to work with.

[JoeHova]

Of course Bogut isn't a total bust yet. However, the list of #1 picks who broke out and became dominant after 2 seasons as mediocre as Bogut's is very short: 0. Gasol is an established post player who is young enough to play another 10 years and possesses all of Bogut's strengths and none of his glaring weaknesses. Gasol is not the best player in the league, but he is a top Power Forward.

 

I'm only advocating trading Bogut if the Bucks get Oden (or if they get offered a great deal). Bogut will not work with Oden as neither one can shoot and Bogut is much too slow to guard athletic 4s. Oden may be quick enough to be able to do that, but that would be a stupid misuse of resources as Oden's biggest strength is protecting the rim. Gasol is a true 4 who can play inside and out and can guard 4s. He can also slide to the 5 when needed. Gasol is kind of a lesser version of Tim Duncan. Bogut is a poor man's Chris Kaman at this point.

[bbrauch2000]

If we did draft Greg Oden and we could get another lottery pick for Bogut, I wouldnt question Harris if he did pull the trigger on such a deal.

 

Oden is a center, he's not playing the 4. Bogut at the 4 was a disaster as he has no outside shot to extend the defense and was overmatched as a defender against the 4s.

 

It is hard to hide a 7 foot defensive liability. On a team of bad defenders, funneling guys into a shot blocker is the only way to compensate for this. Redd and Mo playing garbage defense with Bogut in there trying to draw charges is a good way to lose a ton of games

[LouisEly]

Ted Thompson seems to always come up with some pick out of the middle of nowhere, whereas the Bucks seem to grab a guy that all of us are actually rooting for.

 

Sometimes the unknown guy is for the better (see: Traylor, Robert and Nowitzki, Dirk). Also Exhibit A for trading down, and drafting offense/overall game over "defense"/rebounding.

 

Sometimes the unknown guy is a bad thing (see: Kornet, Frank and Robinson, Cliff).

[JoeHova]

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Also Exhibit A for trading down, and drafting offense/overall game over "defense"/rebounding.

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I'm not sure you can say this. There have been plenty of high profile busts who were supposed to be offensive players. Tskitishvili, Jay Williams, Mike Dunleavy, Dajuan Wagner, Marcus Fizer, DerMarr Johnson, Darko Milicic, and Shaun Livingston were all drafted in the top 6 between 2000 and 2004. All of them were known primarily for their offensive abilities and all are garbage or role players right now. Adam Morrison is also absolutely horrible, but I don't like to say a guy is a bust after 1 year, no matter how horrendous.

 

The Bucks have also taken a lot of scrubby guys that were known for offense in the 1st round. Todd Day leaps immediately to mind. Jeff Grayer, Terry Mills, Shawn Respert. Bogut and Robinson were disappointing compared to expectations and both were known as offensive players.

[Oldcity]

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Oh God help me. Why do people hate Mo Williams? 17/5/6 from a 24 year old PG is damn good.

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That's true, so I guess I semi-take it back. I just don't like shoot-first point guards, and so many times he was a reason that Bogut wasn't getting more touches.

[crewcrazy]

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If that happens, and the Knicks get the other 1or 2, I will rest my case.

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The Bulls get the Knicks' first rounder this year as a result of Isiah Thomas' stupidity in the Eddy Curry trade, meaning the Bulls will add another lottery talent this year...they're starting to build up some scary depth.

[paul253]

Trade the #1 pick from two years ago for the 12th pick in the draft.

 

That logic doesnt make any sense. In this draft, Andrew Bogut would be lucky to go top 5. Who cares if he was the #1 pick. Michael Olawakandi was the #1 pick once.

 

Having said that, a lot of people have pretty much already defended what i said the same way I am about to here, but i want to reiterate. I am certainly not advocating trading Bogut. I only say trade him IF we take Oden because I see absolutely no way Bogut and Oden play together. whichever one plays 4 will get beaten constantly by smaller, faster power forwards. If you can get higher than 12, of course do it. I only mentioned Philly because they may be more willing to part with a first rounder since they have 3 of them.

 

I personally would take Durant at #1 because i think hes going to end up being the better player, but we arent going to do that. Who knows, maybe we'll get the #6 pick and this whole conversation will be moot. Thats the fun of the draft lottery i guess.

 

Heres one other thought to debate. If the Bucks get #2, would you be willing to trade it? Oden/Durant are far and away the two best players, so perhaps you could pull a San Diego Charger-esk trade, and get a fortune in return. Maybe a later first rounder this year, and first rounders the next 2 seasons? Could it be worth it?

[brettac1]

Al Thornton

 

That is just a good solid basketball player. He's going to be like the Josh Howard/Carlos Boozer guy that was productive in college and got drafted in the mid to late first round (or later) and turns into a very good pro.

 

I'd love for the Bucks to be able to get a guy like that if they were to trade someone for a mid-first.

[don1481]

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Oh God help me. Why do people hate Mo Williams? 17/5/6 from a 24 year old PG is damn good.

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Williams is not that good of a point guard. Given the amount of shots he takes rather than passing the ball... plus the fact that he can't run an offense worth anything... I'll pass on him.

 

Seriously. Mo Williams is NOT a point guard. A backup #2, yes, but NOT a point guard.

[trwi7]

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Williams is not that good of a point guard. Given the amount of shots he takes rather than passing the ball... plus the fact that he can't run an offense worth anything... I'll pass on him.

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Before everyone got injured this year he ran the 5th rated offense in the league this year.

 

And name a better PG we're going to get. There isn't one.

[brewtank34]

I saw footage of that 19 year old Chineese center. He's got a lot of athleticism and talent. Scouts toute him more like Dirk Nowitzki than Yao Ming. That said, if we're going to go for a center, it would be Oden. I'd still go with Horford with the #3. If he could improve his offense a little bit, he could turn out to be someone on the talent scale of Eltan Brand.

I wouldn't be surprised, however, to see this Chineese kid end up pretty good in the NBA.

[Never Outhustled]

Given the choice betweem Oden and Durant for the Bucks . I'd pick Durant. The talk is Odens defense will fill the Bucks need, but don't forget that Durant was the most dominant rebounder in the country, and the Bucks finished dead last in rebounding.

[Chio151]

Even though Oden and Durant have the best superstar potential, Al Horford is probably the guy who could help most in the next 2 seasons for the Bucks. The really need a guy like him.

 

I also really like Corey Brewer.

[homer]

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Bogut will not work with Oden as neither one can shoot

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I don't think anyone knows how well Oden can shoot as his shooting wrist was hurt all year.

 

 

I'd take Durant if I had to choose between the two.

[BrewBabyBrew]

Whoever they take, this is one heck of a rookie class. I dont see them winning the rookie/soph game by less than 30. I really like Corey Brewer but with 6 being the lowest spot I dont know if he goes that high. He can learn how to play offense, but he can play nba D right now.

[patrickgpe]

this will be easier to discuss tonight, but I have officially changed my position that if we get the #1 pick we should take Odom. Previously I said Durant, only because we need a 3 and have a center. Bogut is still too soft for me, and to take Durant cause he may be mad that we have another center doesn't make sense. Odom will bring a presence inside that they don't have now. that being said i rank the draft board

 

1. Odom

2. Durant

3. Hortford

4. Brewer

5. Jianlian

6. B. Wright.

[Oldcity]

Brett I'm with you about Thornton. He carried FSU and was the only reason they weren't in the ACC cellar.

[sbrylski]

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1. Odom

2. Durant

3. Hortford

4. Brewer

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Agreed 100% with this. Oden/Durant are 1A and 1B.