Brewers Maryvale Spring Training Lease

[Mass Haas]

Well, this is an interesting tweet, don't know the gentleman's background:

 

Can confirm that the Milwaukee Brewers have broken off talks with Phoenix and are looking exclusively at Florida ST sites.

[Warning Track Power]

Well, this is an interesting tweet, don't know the gentleman's background:

 

Can confirm that the Milwaukee Brewers have broken off talks with Phoenix and are looking exclusively at Florida ST sites.

I am not giving much credence to this when this guy posted this after Attanasio's initial Spring Training press conference...https://twitter.com/ThatGrouchyGuy/status/702947046244782082

 

Having said that, this would be beyond disappointing.

[Warning Track Power]

The gentleman who posted the original tweet has posted a linked article with some pieces of new information:

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/mlb/cactus-league/2016/03/05/bud-selig-cactus-league-brewers/80923446/

[Patrick425]

The gentleman who posted the original tweet has posted a linked article with some pieces of new information:

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/mlb/cactus-league/2016/03/05/bud-selig-cactus-league-brewers/80923446/

 

That article does not make the prospects of staying in AZ sound very good. That would really stink.

[pitchleague]

Yes, that would be absolutely terrible (from this AZ resident's point-of-view.)

[And That]

I am mostly kidding when I suggest this, but I wonder if the Brewers would consider trying to build a Florida spring training stadium/A-ball facility with a dome?

[jerichoholicninja]

I would assume having a minor league team in Florida is a bargaining chip for the Brewers. I wouldn't go to Brewers spring training in Florida until my wife forces us to take the family to Disneyworld. And even then I would still complain about it.

[MrTPlush]

I am mostly kidding when I suggest this, but I wonder if the Brewers would consider trying to build a Florida spring training stadium/A-ball facility with a dome?

 

It would be waaaaay too expensive to do. Pretty much why it doesn't exist now. I think the Miller Park roof costed $50mil in 2001 dollars and has some pretty costly upkeep($13mil motor replacements).

 

I wish it was more feasible, but the large size of a roof needed for baseball just makes it too ridiculous for a small team. Always nice to dream about though.

[And That]

I don't think a retractable roof would be necessary, maybe something more like the new Vikings stadium:

 

http://www.tampabay.com/features/humaninterest/new-roof-technology-could-benefit-a-new-rays-stadium/2223706

 

Rough guess that it would cost $30 mil to cover a small baseball stadium in ETFE. There's also some development value in the certainty that you'll be playing ball every time it is scheduled. Also imagine it could generate revenue as there can't be many (any?) of these types of stadiums in Florida. Outside entities would probably love to use it. Also possible the Brewers could develop the stadium with another team.

 

Again, highly unlikely and probably not cost-feasible, but someone will do it eventually as prices on these new plastics come down.

[pacopete4]

A roof in Florida? Miller Park gets muggy enough, I can't imagine what it would be like sitting in that hot box. (I know the Marlins do it)

[1992casey]

Air conditioning would be required in Florida. That would be a big ongoing cost. All of the retractable roof and domed stadiums in the south have it.

 

However, if you read the article that Toby linked to [a=p975104]two messages above[/a], there's now an option to traditional air conditioning, currently used in an arena in Singapore, that could cut cooling costs.

[Point Beer Is Best]

Well, this is an interesting tweet, don't know the gentleman's background:

 

Can confirm that the Milwaukee Brewers have broken off talks with Phoenix and are looking exclusively at Florida ST sites.

 

 

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[fondybrewfan]

Just hold spring training at Miller Park. Screw playing other teams; you can find enough Division 1, II, and III teams to round out a schedule.

[AZBrewCrew]

Don't be shocked if Florida becomes a thing. There's so much political and financial drama in the city of Phoenix currently that this is likely pretty low on their priority list to get a deal hammered out

[DHonks]

AZBrewCrew, I don't read the AZ Republic every day, but what political and financial drama? We have a commission that generously funds ballparks. Arizona has a budget surplus.

[1992casey]

The "political and financial drama" is detailed in the article linked to in post 178. I'll post the link again:

 

Can Cactus League remain MLB's ideal setting?

 

It appears that the Arizona Sports and Tourism Authority (AZSTA), which has funded stadiums over the years, is out of money.

 

Mark Coronado, president of the Cactus League, states that relocation of the Brewers in the valley is unlikely unless private funds can be secured. Tom Sadler, president of AZSTA, confirmed that AZSTA doesn't have the funds for a new facility.

 

It also appears that AZSTA still owes money to several cities for stadiums that have already been constructed, and it's unclear if it's going to be able to meet its obligations to pay them back.

[jerichoholicninja]

Heaven forbid a multi-million dollar business build something with their own money instead of the tax payers. Mark needs to find a team looking to leave Florida and build a shared complex with them to split the cost.

[Invader3K]

It appears that the Arizona Sports and Tourism Authority (AZSTA), which has funded stadiums over the years, is out of money.

 

Mark Coronado, president of the Cactus League, states that relocation of the Brewers in the valley is unlikely unless private funds can be secured. Tom Sadler, president of AZSTA, confirmed that AZSTA doesn't have the funds for a new facility.

 

It also appears that AZSTA still owes money to several cities for stadiums that have already been constructed, and it's unclear if it's going to be able to meet its obligations to pay them back.

 

Not to get political, but I think the days of tax payer financed stadiums are going to become a thing of the past, sooner rather than later. Stories like this are a good example as to why.

[Warning Track Power]

Mark Coronado, president of the Cactus League, states that relocation of the Brewers in the valley is unlikely unless private funds can be secured. Tom Sadler, president of AZSTA, confirmed that AZSTA doesn't have the funds for a new facility.

I am not familiar with the Native American money in and around the Phoenix area. Was Talking Stick, which hosts the Diamondbacks and Rockies, financed by the Native American tribe? I know in the past, the Brewers have been linked to Gila River and they have a pretty substantial presence in the Phoenix area. Is it possible they would fund a stadium to go near their casino west of Chandler, where the 10 and 202 come together?

[Brewer Fever]

Just be the first to start the wave of teams setting up shop in Vegas. Partner up with another team if you have to. Sure there would be some added travel expense until more teams move their complexes there but the revenue would jump dramatically. I know how you Wisconsinites love having an excuse to visit Las Vegas.

[AZBrewCrew]

Mark Coronado, president of the Cactus League, states that relocation of the Brewers in the valley is unlikely unless private funds can be secured. Tom Sadler, president of AZSTA, confirmed that AZSTA doesn't have the funds for a new facility.

I am not familiar with the Native American money in and around the Phoenix area. Was Talking Stick, which hosts the Diamondbacks and Rockies, financed by the Native American tribe? I know in the past, the Brewers have been linked to Gila River and they have a pretty substantial presence in the Phoenix area. Is it possible they would fund a stadium to go near their casino west of Chandler, where the 10 and 202 come together?

 

Yes. Salt River Pima-Maricopa Indian Community. 20 year deal I believe.

[wildcat2237]

Just be the first to start the wave of teams setting up shop in Vegas. Partner up with another team if you have to. Sure there would be some added travel expense until more teams move their complexes there but the revenue would jump dramatically. I know how you Wisconsinites love having an excuse to visit Las Vegas.

 

Vegas is a looooooong 4.5 hour drive from Phoenix through wasteland desert. I just don't see that being realistic. The players would be completely fried from long bus rides by the time the season rolled around. Yes, I realize Florida has lots of long bus rides, but Vegas would be worse.

 

Years ago the San Diego Padres used to train in Yuma, AZ at Yuma Sun Stadium. The bus rides to Phoenix and Tucson were terrible, the players griped and the team left after only a few years and built the facility in Peoria. Google it if your curious.

[jerichoholicninja]

Aren't the Brewers and A's the only teams without a pretty new complex in Arizona? Why can't these two get together to build their own? You would think splitting the costs would make it more feasible without all the taxpayer money that Mark is no doubt holding out for.

[MrTPlush]

Aren't the Brewers and A's the only teams without a pretty new complex in Arizona? Why can't these two get together to build their own? You would think splitting the costs would make it more feasible without all the taxpayer money that Mark is no doubt holding out for.

 

Why spend your own money when you can get it for free in Florida...which is arguably a better place financially?

[jerichoholicninja]

Aren't the Brewers and A's the only teams without a pretty new complex in Arizona? Why can't these two get together to build their own? You would think splitting the costs would make it more feasible without all the taxpayer money that Mark is no doubt holding out for.

 

Why spend your own money when you can get it for free in Florida...which is arguably a better place financially?

 

Is that true though? Has there been any new complex built in Florida recently? I don't know. I know it took shenanigans for the Marlins to get taxpayer money for their stadium and it doesn't seem like Tampa is willing to give the Rays anything. Totally different sums of money but same principle.