"It's only dog fighting"

[danzig6767]

video.msn.com/v/us/fv/fox...y&msnhphma

 

A couple of really classy Washington Redskin players laughing it up about how everyone should leave Michael Vick alone because dog fighting is no big deal.I love NFL football,but there are quite a few big time scumbags playing in that league.

 

I would love to see Portis thrown in a dog fighting pit with about 5 of the crazed mistreated pitbulls that he feels are toys to be treated however any human wishes.

 

 

(added tag --1992)

[jason21nl]

some people are just clueless..I heard those coments on rome is burning today and can't believe that he said that. I like how the reporter goes, you know its a felony right? and he just brushes it off like its nothing..

[danzig6767]

"Lock up a man doing positive things in the community, a positive role model? Over a dog fight? For nothing?"

[Roscoe Chill]

I'd love to see their Wonderlic scores. I'd be surprised if they hit double digits.

[razzzorsharp]

It's comments like this that allow me to realize that I live in a whole different world than these guys.

[dadofandrew]

Wow. Simply a different world those idiots live in.

[Tailgat0r76]

I saw that interview today,as well; that was unbelievable. I love how he completely disregarded the fact that that is a FELONY, let alone morally wrong on sooo many levels. I do like how the interviewer conducted it though.

[Roscoe Chill]

Yeah, she kept the dolts talking about it. I mean, whether or not they really feel that way is one thing, and one comment would have been bad enough. To go on for five minutes on the subject just shows they are clods.

[JimH5]

Agreed with all sentiments on this thread.

 

But now the critical question. . .

 

Will this make you stop watching the nation's favorite sport?

Will you not play roto football?

Will you simply stop caring about all that is the NFL?

[danzig6767]

Will this make you stop watching the nation's favorite sport?

 

Of course not,but i will be hoping Portis tears up a knee or blows out an achilles tendon.

[RyDogg66]

I already care less about NFL football than I did 10 years ago. It's heading the way of the NBA for me. It's fallen behind college basketball and college football for a distant 4th in sports I pay attention to.

 

IT seems like every other day that one of these knuckleheads decides to blow his money on hookers and/or drugs or beats someone up.

[bball123h2]

Hey, its his property. If he wants to invite me over, and then murder me, thats fine, because he is a man and that is his property.

[RyDogg66]

You forgot that he has to do it "behind closed doors" - if he does its nobody's business but his own.

[Big Reed]

what's fun to watch is all these same football players trying to read apology speeches written for them by their agents after the fact of them opening their mouth and trying to get their foot out of it. We all know Portis is going to have some type of retraction speech later this week. it should be fun to listen to. .

 

I seen several of these NFL players reading speeches prepared for them and stumble over most of the words. Often times they will read a speech and have no clue what they have just said.

 

favre is one of the smarter football players. favre opens up his press conference by saying he doesn't want to create any waves. but dog gone it, we should have traded for randy moss. he wanted to be a packer and was willing to accept less money. it's a shame we didn't get that deal done. You didn't make any waves with that comment favre- just national and state headlines. I'm surprised TT is still alive after your remarks.

 

as portis said , Vick is a leading role model in his community. he serves beer and brats at his dog fights. most other people in town only serve little wienies and pigs feet. I wonder if he has a non-smoking section to watch his dog fights?

[mothershipconnection]

The only explanation for this is that they're merely sticking up for Vick because they don't want the best sticky-icky supplier in the NFL to go down. Then they'd have to go back to buying from that shady Ricky Williams, who's known to short you a bit.

[Big Reed]

a hilarious comment made by dan patrick today.

 

when these guys are in front of a camera and a microphone, they must realize the things they say are recorded and the camera is turned on, don't they?

[JoeHova]

Back in the day, I knew several guys who fought dogs. It was disgusting then and it's disgusting now. At least in boxing or MMA (although I hate MMA) the humans have a choice and there are some rules to try to keep people relatively safe. The dogs have no choice and often get horrifically injured. One guy I knew was really into it and bred pits for fighting. It was odd to see the relationships he had with the dogs. On the one hand, he really loved them (not all trainers do, from what I understand). On the other, he made them fight and badly mistreated them in order to make them "mean". He was one of those guys that thought that feeding gunpowder to the dogs would make them mean and that surely can't be good for them. But when I would see him the day after a fight, he would be so happy and proud of the dog if it won and feel so badly for the dog if it lost. It's kind of the same thing that I've noticed in farmers. Farmers sometimes become real attached to their livestock but that doesn't stop them from sending them to the slaughterhouse. I don't think I could kill something I loved, or make something I loved fight for it's life. That's why I think that both of those things are herditary in a sense. I think you have to have grown up around dog fighting (or farming) to really be comfortable doing that, which I think is also the reason why dog fights are so persistent. If you've grown up around something, it will usually seem normal, even if the majority of people find it bizarre or abhorrent. I think that explains why some people can't see the big deal about dog fighting.

[jwill535]

Let me qualify this by saying that i think dog fighting is disgusting. cockfighting ok, because with the loser everyone wins with dinner;) .

 

To piggy back the previous post. This could be the same argument for hunting. IF you dont grow up around it then you are going to have a different opinion.

 

(Edit: reconciled post with word filter; see my message at the top of page 2 --1992casey)

[JoeHova]

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This could be the same argument for hunting. IF you dont grow up around it then you are going to have a different opinion.

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In some ways yes, but I'm especially interested in the duality of loving an animal (whether it's a fighting dog or a prize cow or sheep) and then actively putting it in a stiuation where it will get killed.

 

 

 

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cockfighting ok, because with the loser everyone wins with dinner .

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Roy Jones Jr. is a huge cockfighting advocate. He talks about it openly and seems to believe it is a legit sport, despite the fact that it is a felony in most states. He's a big trainer of fighting [roosters]. Here's a quote from him about it: ''I give my roosters the best of food. I give them the best of care. I give them everything they want before I ask them to sacrifice.'' That kind of turns my stomach, but so does the thought of a slaughterhouse, so who knows?

 

 

(Edit: dealt with some word filter issues; bracketed [roosters] replaces the 'banned' word; see my post at the top of page 2 --1992casey)

[homer]

Yeah it's an interesting argument. On the face of it, Portis is a moron. But is dog fighting any worse than raising pigs (who are just about as intelligent as most dogs) for slaughter?

[backup catchers]

The differance between raising animals for slaughter and raising them for fighting is one lives without pain and suffering then dies relativly quickly and far less painfully than it's equivelant does in the wild. The other lives a life of pain getting beaten and beat up healing it's wounds only to be subjected agian to a beating. Animals die an every death has some amount of suffering I suppose. Not every animal lives a life of suffering before it eventually becomes dinner though. When it comes to food I look for free range chicken and the only veal I eat is from animals who were not mistreated before slaughter. (Yes there are ways to raise veal humanely. Unfortunately it's not quite as prime as the malnourished white stuff most people want.)

[JoeHova]

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The differance between raising animals for slaughter and raising them for fighting is one lives without pain and suffering then dies relativly quickly and far less painfully than it's equivelant does in the wild.

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Yes, but it seems to be kind of a matter of degrees in most cases, as you allude to in the rest of your post. Plus, I'm not really talking about that, more about how people get attached to these specific animals (ie, name them, care for them, play with them, etc.) and then send them to the fights or the slaughterhouse.

[backup catchers]

I'm not really talking about that, more about how people get attached to these specific animals (ie, name them, care for them, play with them, etc.) and then send them to the fights or the slaughterhouse.

 

Got ya. I grew up on a beef farm and can tell you most animals never get named. Dairy cows sometimes do but then they are not going to the slaughter house anytime soon. Quite frankly most animals are not nearly as cute and cuddly as one would think. Having to clean up after them, feed them and chase them back in the yard at 2am when they get out makes one far less interested in saving them from the slaughter yard.http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif As far as the varying degrees of suffering they have before d-day I know our animals had a far better life than nature would have provided for them though I cannot speak for all farmers treatment of animals. I also think there is some amount of differance between raising animnals for food, which is necessary, and raising them to abuse for entertainment.

[olliegjw]

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some people are just clueless..I heard those coments on rome is burning today and can't believe that he said that. I like how the reporter goes, you know its a felony right? and he just brushes it off like its nothing..

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Kind of like a lot of Bonds' supporters who say that steroids weren't illegal in baseball, even though they were a felony under federal law.

[JimH5]

si.com has a great summary on this story as it stands today.

 

sportsillustrated.cnn.com...index.html

 

And ESPN's Outside the Lines had a good report over the weekend about Vick's involvement.

 

It's pretty clear that this story isn't just about one NFL-er's involvement in dog fighting. There may be (by my own guess) a dozen or more pro athletes involved in this.